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CristoRey

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that place (D'Latin) must have been a gold mine, packed every night, little overhead, selling drinks as fast as they could open the bottle and was only opened for high volume hours $$$. I dont know if its true but was told the guy who owned that place owned that other club across the street $$
Current Mayor of Sosua (Willy) was the owner.
I had many a good time there. Was a lot of fun
while it lasted.
 
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Possibly, but I don't think that's a sure thing. Playa Dorada is (was) already seeing a rebirth with multiple projects. Some development already under way in Sosua and more on the drawing board. All it takes is some renewed interest from Nort Americans with some help from travel agencies and it could take off. POP fees still an issue but who knows, that could change too.

Since I began reading DR1 back in the late 90's, the future of Sosua and the northcoast in general have been the subject of multiple threads and discussions on their future.

And since that time, tourism based on arrival statistics has slowly declined. In 1997 PP saw 774k arrivals. By 2002 that number had dropped to 530k. In 2019, that number had dropped even further to 423k.

Certainly some of the newer statistics can be partially explained by the new airport in Samana and the expansion of STI in the Cibao. But both those airports did not begin to handle increased international tourist volumes until 2003 for the Cibao and 2006 for Samana.

If half the announced north coast projects over the years actually came to fruition, the north coast would be a different place today. Alas it is not a different place and is not likely to be..........unless the big money changes its mind.


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Playacaribe2
 

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I agree the arrival numbers are bleak. But I see, and I think investers also see, tons of oportunity on the North Coast. Just 5 short years ago we didn't have 5 & 7 story buildings ont he NC. We now have 4 buildings that are 5+ stories, and 3 more are coming out of the ground right now. That right there is investors betting on the North Coast. So I'm optimistic about additional coming growth. Post covid of course.
 
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I agree the arrival numbers are bleak. But I see, and I think investers also see, tons of oportunity on the North Coast. Just 5 short years ago we didn't have 5 & 7 story buildings ont he NC. We now have 4 buildings that are 5+ stories, and 3 more are coming out of the ground right now. That right there is investors betting on the North Coast. So I'm optimistic about additional coming growth. Post covid of course.

I remember Juan Dolio going through a similar "renaissance" years ago. I believe it was billed as the "South Beach" of the Caribbean. Lots of investors, lots of buildings being proposed and built and lots of investment money...........and..............

For the sake of the property owners, I hope your optimism outruns my pessimism as to its future. But the numbers are the numbers..........and they tell a different tale..............


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Playacaribe2
 

Ken

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Possibly, but I don't think that's a sure thing. Playa Dorada is (was) already seeing a rebirth with multiple projects. Some development already under way in Sosua and more on the drawing board. All it takes is some renewed interest from Nort Americans with some help from travel agencies and it could take off. POP fees still an issue but who knows, that could change too.
I expect to see Sosua develop, but not in the way it has been in recent years. I think there will be a continued increase in residential properties, with a number condo and housing projects constructed in the past few years and more on the way. The town center will provide restaurant options for residents and an increasing number of customers from the A!s as soon as the girls are out of sight, and there will be more shopping opportunities for residents and visitors
 

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What are the chances that a friendly Colonel will always be reachable when needed. Especially if leaving Ahnvee at 2:00 am? Ahnvee's designation as a resort seems to have some bearing on how they can have so many guests on the property when the rest of the social establishments are forced to close. I don't know anything about a concerted effort to change things at Ahnvee only what I read on DR1 and the inferences I draw from that as no one has yet come out an specifically stated where the purported official interest in that establishment comes from or what the specific issue(s) are. With a way to come and go from that location during the curfew it is not surprising that people continue to come and go as they please. I don't completely understand how but it is apparently possible to do so with some degree of impunity.

Done with a business card flashed to the local cops.
They are not going to call a Colonel at 2 am.

Anyone living in the DR concerned with unjust will carry that forever.
unjustness equals corruption.
Dominicans love gaming the system. It is what tigres do.
They will get over you just to brag to their friends.
In this country it is who you know and how much money you look like you have.
And do not be a gringo.
 
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Since I began reading DR1 back in the late 90's, the future of Sosua and the northcoast in general have been the subject of multiple threads and discussions on their future.

And since that time, tourism based on arrival statistics has slowly declined. In 1997 PP saw 774k arrivals. By 2002 that number had dropped to 530k. In 2019, that number had dropped even further to 423k.

Certainly some of the newer statistics can be partially explained by the new airport in Samana and the expansion of STI in the Cibao. But both those airports did not begin to handle increased international tourist volumes until 2003 for the Cibao and 2006 for Samana.

If half the announced north coast projects over the years actually came to fruition, the north coast would be a different place today. Alas it is not a different place and is not likely to be..........unless the big money changes its mind.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2
Investment (in business and real estate) usually means covering expenses, maybe making money too while your purchase inflates.
I don't think anyone has made much if anything on property as a buy and hold here for 10 years.
Build and sale in the controlled areas yes there is some profit for the developers.
Property prices seem dropping in proportion to rents which as a rough guess I would say are down 15-20% over a year ago. Things will come back after Covid depending on how long it lasts.
Anyone know what has become of Dream City?
Is that all it was - a dream and the developers woke up?
 

zoomzx11

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Normal operating process here keep harassing Until they find a charge to stick...3rd or 4th time now...
Agree that repeated visits from the cops is an ominous sign.
Would not be the first biz to go down this path that ended in closure. They will keep looking until they find a charge that sticks or mgmt catches on and becomes better connected.
 

CristoRey

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I expect to see Sosua develop, but not in the way it has been in recent years. I think there will be a continued increase in residential properties, with a number condo and housing projects constructed in the past few years and more on the way. The town center will provide restaurant options for residents and an increasing number of customers from the A!s as soon as the girls are out of sight, and there will be more shopping opportunities for residents and visitors
I am all in favor of them doing more development
with residents in mind and not just trying to focus on
a hodgepodge of different developments with no
real planning/ zoning involved.
 

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It will have a huge noise problem because of the building design. They cheaped out with the tops of the walls open so they wouldn't have to install AC. The ceiling is tin so there's nothing there to absorb the sound, All those rooms are built like giant speakers - aimed right at the neighbors. The sound will blast straight out those openings. Poor design. If they had gone all masonry/concrete, it would have at least kept the majority of the sound inside.
I agree, it already looks like an echo nightmare
 
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"A foole and his monie be soone at debate,
which after with sorrow repents him too late."
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You would find that the vast majority of those at Ahnvee after curfew are staying in the hotel at Ahnvee.
That is right my man‼The A business is not flaunting the rules. They are operating legally. Just like the AI's in Punta Cana.

Some need to do you homework and know their business before opening their mouf. I am talking to you CristoRay. Do not like reading my posts❓ Put me on ignore. Talk to a moderator if you do not understand how the function works.

Zoning ❓ Why do so many people move to or visit 🇩🇴 and want to remake it into the image that they think it should be❓
Gringo needs to phone home. Or go home.

But this is the gringo opinion board. The idiocy alone keeps it lively.🤣
 
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ctrob

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That is right my man‼The A business is not flaunting the rules. They are operating legally.

Right on man. Were you there?

Do you know why they got visited? It appears it was a noise complaint. Which will continue to be a problem in this area. Which will result in smaller crowds because people in general don't like to be constantly hassled - especially tourists.

Mission accomplished?
 

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I remember Juan Dolio going through a similar "renaissance" years ago. I believe it was billed as the "South Beach" of the Caribbean. Lots of investors, lots of buildings being proposed and built and lots of investment money...........and..............

For the sake of the property owners, I hope your optimism outruns my pessimism as to its future. But the numbers are the numbers..........and they tell a different tale..............


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

I still think Juan Dolio has the potential to take off one day.
 
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Right on man. Were you there? Do you know why they got visited? It appears it was a noise complaint. Which will continue to be a problem in this area. Which will result in smaller crowds because people in general don't like to be constantly hassled - especially tourists.
Mission accomplished?
Did they get shut down? No, they are still operating. So they beat the trumped up rap.

The defense rests ‼
 

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Of course under the current environment re-sales will be difficult.
Maybe the civic US employees from NY, Newark, Miami - Police, Fire and Sanitation departments who frequent who frequent the area
Will be the new investors buying condos for their novias?
Care to say that to them, to their face, in a crowed bar? Hint, they don't understand snide, innuendo type remarks. Of course, that was not your intent Loco was it?
 

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I still think Juan Dolio has the potential to take off one day.
From the looks of things that is happening as we speak. There is yet another 15 ?) story tower going up at Hemingway. ( you can see that tower with a crane on the top in the video that was recently posted by Potus's walk on the Juan Dolio beach). Two blocks away, next to the mini market another about 8 stories and a smaller one another block away that started the foundation last week.
 
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ctrob

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Did they get shut down? No, they are still operating. So they beat the trumped up rap.

The defense rests ‼

You missed the point. This isn't about what happens one particular night. The police keeping tight reigns on this area will keep the crowds smaller. It will not be allowed to become a mirror image of Pedro Clisante. And that is probably by design. That's the point.
 

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