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NoMoreSnow

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In support of what Jim said ...

Iwas told by someone who immigrated to Canada from India, that in India Marijuana is not illegal and that it grows wild as a weed all over the place ....
 

Pib

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I'll try to keep this VERY short, after all it looks like a little TMI.

The Dominican Republic is not a drug producer, but its geographical location makes it a natural bridge for traffic from South America to the US and Europe. The country was included by the US State Dept. as "a major drug-transit country", which by definition is a country: "through which are transported such [illicit narcotic or psychotropic and controlled substances] drugs or substances.". Also, we are listed (or should I say, "black-listed) as a "Major Money Laundering country". Black listed countries, which fail to demonstrate significant advances in the fight for drug traffic are ineligible for certain help and relief plans that the US grants to certain nations. Basically the Dominican drug policies follow the US guidelines, the US has invested millions in helping the DR fight drug trafficking and has monitored closely all our efforts, mostly to control entrance of drugs to the US.

The US military government that ruled the country from 1916 to 1924 after the US invasion created the first regulation on narcotic drugs in the Dominican Rep., Order 161. This order regulated the distribution, traffic and consumption of narcotic drugs and was used as the model for later laws and regulations.

In 1938 Trujillo's Public Health Law addressed the drug control and consumption problem. It wasn't until the 70's that the country started to have a real problem with traffic and consumption of illegal drugs. Congress passed law168-75 to regulate traffic and consumption and left in the hands of the National Police the duty of enforcing this law. By1985 a committee of drug control, with personnel from the Army Forces, the Dominican Navy and the National Police was created specifically for drug control enforcement. In 1988 the DNCD (National Drug Control Agency) was created, this time addicts rehabilitation institutions were included.
 

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Remember, marijuana and hemp both come from the same plant known as Cannibis, and they are terms used to describe different parts of the plant, although many people use the terms interchangeably. Hemp cannot be produced without producing marijuana.

Cannabis is still today an important agricultural product and during WWII, the US government actually FORCED farmers to grow it. The various forms of Cannibis and Cannibis products have so many names and forms in so many different parts of the world that many people don't even recognize it to be the same plant.

The plant is more versatile than the soybean, the cotton plant, and the Douglas fir tree put together, whose products are interchangeable with those from timber or petroleum, and which grows like Jack's beanstalk with minimal care.

In the DR, like elsewhere, attitudes are formed by hearsay, the media, government reports and policies, parents, schools, and churches. Most of the people with the hardest attitudes against the plant know very little about it.

Tony: Can you name me where marijuana smoking is socialy acceptable among the majority in a country of western society?

Jim: Can you name me one society where it is socially acceptable to break the law? That said, attitudes amongst the general public are pretty ho-hum in Jamaica, Holland, and a large percentage of citizens of western nations have tried marijuana, despite knowing that it was illegal.

Social acceptance is often depending on how and where something is done. Is oral and anal sex socially acceptable? Is masterbation socially acceptable? Is speeding, cheating a little on your taxes, lying on your resume, watching hard-core pornography and surfing the web for sex sites, cheating on one's partner, ehancing athletic performance through drugs, not declaring that extra bottle of rum at customs, or getting a "free" copy of Microsoft Office and a CD with a bunch of good songs from your friend socially acceptable?

Does social acceptance validate or invalidate anything? There are some pretty horrible things that are socially acceptable in this world and quite a few things that aren't but without valid reason. And there are enough things that many or most of us do but would not admit to if asked in a public venue.

How is it that the big drug dealers that everybody knows is the main man drug dealer never get arrested but the foreigner smoking a joint that was delivered by the local street tout gets a US$10,000 fine, 6-months in hell, and then deported? Sometimes the penalty causes more harm to individuals and their families than the potential harm that the law was purportedly designed to prevent. Hence, the big facade.

That's the story. Best to swim with the current unless you think you are a very big fish. An extra Presidente or two and you'll forget all about that long lost marijuana cigarette.

Frankly, the laws against drugs (and guns and [name your favorite contaversial law]) are good for the sheep that populate this world and those that long to walk apart from the flock, will do so. Remember prohibition. Did you know that most of those that supported prohibition in the USA were not against drinking alcohol and frequently drank alcohol themselves?
 

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at the top

I feel that people at the top of Dr's society are making a lot of money with drug trade, wheter it's coke or weed... That includes military, police, politicians, local DEA and much more... However these guys don't seem to be users... And that tough pot law seems to aply only to gringos, dominicans only serve little time and are back on the streets again...
 

Pib

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Jim, I'd like to keep this reply short, I don't want to hijack Cleef's post and steer it from its original purpose.

There seems to be an ancient stigma linked to the used of substances that distort your perception and inhibit your capacity for judgment and slow your reactions, alcohol amongst them. This substances have been used for "religious" and ritual purposes throughout history (witches, medicine men, shamans, etc.), yet if you check some religions, Judeo-Christian for example have prohibited their followers from getting drunk, I would imagine others substances were not prohibited because they were unknown or not wide spread. I would say that this "aversion" goes much further back than the US trying to influence international politics.

I respect your belief that "the laws... are good for the sheep that populate this world and those that long to walk apart from the flock". I think you might have concluded that by the unfair application of these seemingly fair laws. As always the ones in the lowest end of the social/economical scale suffer the most. Very sad, but very human. However I disagree with the original premise (see above quote), a society CANNOT live without laws, one cannot trust monkeys to handle guns (drugs, alcohol, etc.) and most unfortunately SOME people have IQs that make apes look like rocket scientists. We must protect the society from these people. I grant you some laws, in their pursue of social good, might curtail personal freedom. Very sad, but very human.

If you want to take this further, pls. email me. I do not want to feed the trolls.
 
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Pib

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Re: at the top

[B]Squat [/B] said:
that tough pot law seems to aply only to gringos, dominicans Ionly serve little time and are back on the streets again...
I think this is wrong, very wrong. I am sure you hear about expats because they are of interest to you. I could tell you "horror" stories of kids caught hanging out with dealers and that landed in jail for a couple of years before going to trial. Getting out? sure, if you have MILLIONS to spare.

PS, if you want statistics I can point you in the right direction.
 

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Pib, no hijacking here

Keep up the posts.

The premise of my question was to find out more about the laws/social policy of the DR and how/why some aversions that are harmful to many are acceptable (driving like maniacs/guns/prostitution/DUI) and others that harm no one (smoking something cleaner than cigarettes) is considered to be an atrocious act against society and worthy of a death sentence - which a term in a Dominican jail is apparently akin to.

I've been reminded of many things and "learned-up" even more.

Share.

Help ever, hurt never.
 

mobrouser

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cleef, re: your question-- i can only comment on the marijuana vs. alcohol issue-- could the answer be (in very simplistic terms) that for a very long time the sugar cane industry was the major revenue source for RD. alcohol as a by-product of such an important industry would be given more favourable treatment than a product that has the reputation of being grown almost exclusively for its intoxicating characteristics.

mob
 

Jim Hinsch

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I've read that there are minors in adult jails that have simply been "forgotten". Never charged with a crime and no freedom in sight. Some have been locked up for years.

I've read that sometimes there are refusals to release prisoners after a judge's order on the basiis that the judge was paid off.

There was a story some time ago about a pretty French girl getting transferred around from jail to jail so that her friends and family could not locate her while various authorities "raped and abused". They said she suffered severe pyschological trauma from the event.

Drug laws in the DR are not the only laws that are applied when convenient by those in control. As many Dominicans tell me, in the DR, there IS no law. Of course there is law. They are talking about real life practice, not theory or what is written. Today's head honcho could be tomorrows criminal.

My take is that you can be arrested for nothing and not be arrested after committing a serious crime. It just depends on who you are, who you know, how much money you have and are willing to part with, your political and social skills, and luck (or lack of).

This is a very big reason to keep your nose clean and be very careful with whom you associate. That's why a foreigner should think very carefully before they just up and relocate to the Dominican Republic, plop down a chunk of cash for some property, start a sucessful business, and draw attention. If they don't play it right, they could end up with nothing, a stint in prison, followed by deportation without the possibility to return and/or death if the wrong people get a bug up their butt. Even those with powerful connections have been know to get reamed or turn against when their connections lose power, someone gets greedy, or just someone just decides you are worth more to them gone.

Today's political stability could be tomorrow's civil unrest. Anybody in power now could be nothing in the years ahead, or even accused of crimes and jailed.

Amigos de dinero no son amigos.

Cuidado con quien tu anda. Te conozco por tu maleta.

The DR is not the United States. This is both it's charm and it's dark side. Things are not so black and white. Americans are not used to dealing in gray.

If one keeps their nose clean and their ambitions modest, the DR can be a most enjoyable paradise. The police do not want to arrest foreigners frivolously. It usually brings about a lot of attention. The Dominicans are more likely to be random victims and less likely to raise charges of unfair treatment. They expect jail to be SH**.

They say when a foreigner gets thrown in jail, he pays immediately.
 
In the Dominican Republic, the traffic, possession and consumption of illegal drugs is penalized by law.

Law No. 50-88 on Drugs, in force in the Dominican Republic, states the following:

a) Opium in all its forms;

b) All derivatives (alkaloids, salts, compounds, preparations or synthetic
substitution);

c) Coca (Erthoxilon Coca);

d) Cocaine, its derivatives or synthetic substitutes or any compound in which it is
used as a base;

e) All plants of the Cannabinaceas family and products derived from them
containing narcotic or stimulant properties such as Cannabis Indica, Cannabi
Sativa, Marihuana and other herbs with similar properties?.

Sanctions

The sanctions applicable to infractors of the aforementioned legal provisions are:

For simple possession, there is a fine of RD$ 500.00 to RD$ 2,000 or imprisonment from six months to two years, or both. There is no bail.
When the drug confiscated or involved in the operation falls under the Dealer or Seller category, the penalty is RD$ 10,000 to RD$ 50,000 and imprisonment from three to ten years. There is no bail.
When the drugs confiscated or implicated in the operation fall under the Smuggler (Trafficker) category, the penalty is RD$ 50,000 to RD$ 250,000, and imprisonment from five to twenty years with forced labor. There is no bail.

Taken from http://www.dominicanrepublic.com/Tourism/english/travelguide/customs_regulations.htm
 

Cleef

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Thanks...

...for everyone's input, I learned quite a bit.

Thought this quote was an appropriate way to close the thread:
(related more to JH's information)

Quote of the day for June 12th, 2002

"Half the troubles of mankind come from ignorance, -- ignorance which is systematically organized with societies for its support and newspapers for its dissemination, -- ignorance which consists less in not knowing things, than in willfully ignoring the things that are already known."

Henry van Dyke