The DR can help PR have more electricity

[playacaribe2]

Are you sure about that?

Thirty power generation projects in the country

<p>Santo Domingo—The Minister of Energy and Mines, Joel Santos, said that 30 electricity generation projects are being developed that will inject 3,200 megawatts into the networks in these four years to cover the energy demand that the country is registering due to economic growth and high...

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For the most part, the DR does not have a power generation problem and will be adding further generation by 2027. But, it does have, with the exception of CEP-M, a distribution problem. Part of that is from the incompetent management that has plagued distributors like Edesur/Edenorte for years. And yes, part of it is also non-payment of electricity by individuals/sectors/companies.

The bright spot has been CEP-M (the supplier in Punta Cana and now involved in Cabo Rojo in Pedernales), which is privately held and run. As I understand things, they will be also involved in Project HOSTOS, the undersea cable to connect the DR and Puerto Rico from the Dominican Republic. And not that it matters now, but that cable will also be able to deliver power back to the DR.

It is easy to be cynical about power in the DR as the overall track record of the distributors has been abysmal (except for CEP-M). But, generation of power in the DR is advancing at a rapid rate and the undersea cable is not as far fetched an idea as one would believe as an undersea cable carrying fiber optics from the DR to Puerto Rico was inaugurated in May.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[chico bill]

An electric cable 30 miles through the Mona Passage laid by a Dominican Company ? What could go wrong?
I wonder if they got the idea from the cable between Denmark and the UK? Or the solar & wind farm in Morocco transmission link to the UK

 

[josh2203]

For the most part, the DR does not have a power generation problem and will be adding further generation by 2027. But, it does have, with the exception of CEP-M, a distribution problem. Part of that is from the incompetent management that has plagued distributors like Edesur/Edenorte for years. And yes, part of it is also non-payment of electricity by individuals/sectors/companies.

Exactly, same as with water. So the two basic parts of infrastructure, energy and water.

I've read it many times that again, for the most part (of the year), the DR has way more than enough water supplies, but a good part of the usable water is lost between distribution, end users and habits of the end users. The distributors are partly incompetent as their lines waste a good part of the water and plumbing in many homes leaves room for desire. Then, when "hay agua de la calle", people waste it like there's no tomorrow... Partly, this is also the distributors fault as many times they have no logic behind on when the lines are pumped with water and when not.

Another point for water, just like the quality of the electricity is, that it would actually be mostly drinkable if the distribution wasn't faulty. For electricity, I think this could be translated as spikes in voltage and brownouts...

One thing for electricity that has in fact always amazed me is that ever since I've been to the DR, the meters have been digital, which was not the case in my home country back then. Also, where ever we've lived in the DR, I have never understood how they read the meters as if they read them remotely, that system has worked darn well as we have never received a bill that's just garbage. If they do not read them remotely, how then, I doubt techs read the meters manually monthly?

 

[Notengo]

One thing for electricity that has in fact always amazed me is that ever since I've been to the DR, the meters have been digital, which was not the case in my home country back then. Also, where ever we've lived in the DR, I have never understood how they read the meters as if they read them remotely, that system has worked darn well as we have never received a bill that's just garbage. If they do not read them remotely, how then, I doubt techs read the meters manually monthly?

I have been wondering about that a few times so I looked it up. They are connected to a dedicated network and they mostly transmit wireless via RF or mobile network service. So basically if you have cellphone coverage they can read the meter.

 

[josh2203]

I have been wondering about that a few times so I looked it up. They are connected to a dedicated network and they mostly transmit wireless via RF or mobile network service. So basically if you have cellphone coverage they can read the meter.

That's what I thought. So my amazement continues: They actually read the meters remotely and at least in our case, have never made mistakes (I say this as I always have a rough idea of what the charge should be based on our usage, and not once has EDE disagreed with me) and have always been able to read the meters... So this part of their operations cannot be fully incompetent. Perhaps their incompetence is selective...

 

[windeguy]

For the most part, the DR does not have a power generation problem and will be adding further generation by 2027. But, it does have, with the exception of CEP-M, a distribution problem. Part of that is from the incompetent management that has plagued distributors like Edesur/Edenorte for years. And yes, part of it is also non-payment of electricity by individuals/sectors/companies.

The bright spot has been CEP-M (the supplier in Punta Cana and now involved in Cabo Rojo in Pedernales), which is privately held and run. As I understand things, they will be also involved in Project HOSTOS, the undersea cable to connect the DR and Puerto Rico from the Dominican Republic. And not that it matters now, but that cable will also be able to deliver power back to the DR.

It is easy to be cynical about power in the DR as the overall track record of the distributors has been abysmal (except for CEP-M). But, generation of power in the DR is advancing at a rapid rate and the undersea cable is not as far fetched an idea as one would believe as an undersea cable carrying fiber optics from the DR to Puerto Rico was inaugurated in May.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

The electrical distribution problem is caused by three letters, E, D and E in that order.

 

[PJT]

The US is spending billions of dollars to upgrade PR's electric system, part of this money may be used establish the cable to link between the RD and PR, a cable intended to supply power from the RD to PR. It is reasonable to think the US is not going to subsidize this project unless the RD has the capacity to generate sufficient power to sell to PR in times of its need. It would then be acceptable to say the US will use a segment of the project funds to bankroll upgrades to the Dominican electric sources to make them sufficient enough to generate surplus power to validate the cable. It is also fair to think the cable has a two-way capacity, that PR could send its spare power to the RD when the need arises. Both locations will benefit from the cable. Imagine the RD with 24/7 electricity countrywide. The project funds will benefit the economy of the RD.

Regards,

PJT

 

[JD Jones]

That's what I thought. So my amazement continues: They actually read the meters remotely and at least in our case, have never made mistakes (I say this as I always have a rough idea of what the charge should be based on our usage, and not once has EDE disagreed with me) and have always been able to read the meters... So this part of their operations cannot be fully incompetent. Perhaps their incompetence is selective...

I've been able to monitor my daily consumption for the last 15-16 years since they first started offering the service.

 

[windeguy]

The US is spending billions of dollars to upgrade PR's electric system, part of this money may be used establish the cable to link between the RD and PR, a cable intended to supply power from the RD to PR. It is reasonable to think the US is not going to subsidize this project unless the RD has the capacity to generate sufficient power to sell to PR in times of its need. It would then be acceptable to say the US will use a segment of the project funds to bankroll upgrades to the Dominican electric sources to make them sufficient enough to generate surplus power to validate the cable. It is also fair to think the cable has a two-way capacity, that PR could send its spare power to the RD when the need arises. Both locations will benefit from the cable. Imagine the RD with 24/7 electricity countrywide. The project funds will benefit the economy of the RD.

Regards,

PJT

Way too many assumption above for me to agree that this is a good thing.

We will see, but the biggest change needed is to get rid of the government run EDE's and eliminate their incompetency. That would be the biggest help the DR power grid could get.

 

[JD Jones]

Way too many assumption above for me to agree that this is a good thing.

We will see, but the biggest change needed is to get rid of the government run EDE's and eliminate their incompetency. That would be the biggest help the DR power grid could get.

I don't see them lasting much longer. Seems like nobody is in favor of them, even in the government.

 

[windeguy]

I've been able to monitor my daily consumption for the last 15-16 years since they first started offering the service.

The Edenorte web site worked for a short time. Now it doesn't allow logins, says the account does not exist ,etc .
Once in a while they send the bill by email . Completely incompetent.

 

[JD Jones]

The Edenorte web site worked for a short time. Now it doesn't allow logins, says the account does not exist ,etc .
Once in a while they send the bill by email . Completely incompetent.

Dumb question: Are you registered through https://ofv.edenorte.com.do/user/login

All of the EDE's use the same software; I'm surprised it doesn't work.

 

[windeguy]

Dumb question: Are you registered through https://ofv.edenorte.com.do/user/login

All of the EDE's use the same software; I'm surprised it doesn't work.

Yep. Did that long ago, Now the account has disappeared and I am unable to create a new account.
The website is completly screwed... That is why I said it worked for a short time, and now it is not.

 

[chico bill]

Exactly, same as with water. So the two basic parts of infrastructure, energy and water.

I've read it many times that again, for the most part (of the year), the DR has way more than enough water supplies, but a good part of the usable water is lost between distribution, end users and habits of the end users. The distributors are partly incompetent as their lines waste a good part of the water and plumbing in many homes leaves room for desire. Then, when "hay agua de la calle", people waste it like there's no tomorrow... Partly, this is also the distributors fault as many times they have no logic behind on when the lines are pumped with water and when not.

Another point for water, just like the quality of the electricity is, that it would actually be mostly drinkable if the distribution wasn't faulty. For electricity, I think this could be translated as spikes in voltage and brownouts...

One thing for electricity that has in fact always amazed me is that ever since I've been to the DR, the meters have been digital, which was not the case in my home country back then. Also, where ever we've lived in the DR, I have never understood how they read the meters as if they read them remotely, that system has worked darn well as we have never received a bill that's just garbage. If they do not read them remotely, how then, I doubt techs read the meters manually monthly?

Every time they fill the water tank in Los Cerros, which supplies Los Cerros, Calle Camino Libre and Calle Libre, the large holes in the water tank flood the streets and loose enough water to supply sufficient water to fill all the cisterns/tinacos for all of Charamicos, Batey and La Mulata and probably half of Casa Linda.

Without exaggeration probably it amounts to 1,000 gallons per minute and they pump for 5-6 hours. So that's 360,000 gallons of lost water

 

[josh2203]

I've been able to monitor my daily consumption for the last 15-16 years since they first started offering the service.

Did not know that, thanks! Next time we have a contract with EDE, will be sure to set this up...

Even hourly monitoring is available in EU, so I'm obviously doing this, but did not know of this EDE service...