The future of Sosua

chrisgy

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Where did you confirm that Willy won?
Confirmed by my father in law , a respected journalist from Sosua and official observer of the election ( accredited by the Junto Central Electoral JCE )

Call it confirmation equal to when a USA network calls an election.
 

etolw

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now what?
Close the newly opened bars in PC again due to COVID-19 ??? :alien:

And the new Marriott hotel that should have opened by now, or early april.

Any news?

This will hit the wallets hard, people will suffer more.

I feel with the workers and the restaurant owners:hurt:
 
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ctrob

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now what?
Nothing different. Revitalizing the North Coast with a sustainable normal tourist industry was not a project that came solely from the Mayor's office. She just happened to be on board. That being said, CV19 is going to slow things down.
 

lifeisgreat

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Nothing different. Revitalizing the North Coast with a sustainable normal tourist industry was not a project that came solely from the Mayor's office. She just happened to be on board. That being said, CV19 is going to slow things down.
Sunday is last flight for west jet into DR for next 30 days..
 

Cdn_Gringo

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Building on fire this afternoon not far from the northern end of the street in front of S. Pola. More onlookers on motos trying to take video and drive at the same time than firefighters. Several PN leaning against their trucks to keep them from rolling away. Lots of smoke. Not sure what was burning but a couple of abandoned buildings in that area so might have been squatters. Could have been Ilana's reelection headquarters I suppose. Another prime site now ready for urban renewal.
 

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Building on fire this afternoon not far from the northern end of the street in front of S. Pola. More onlookers on motos trying to take video and drive at the same time than firefighters. Several PN leaning against their trucks to keep them from rolling away. Lots of smoke. Not sure what was burning but a couple of abandoned buildings in that area so might have been squatters. Could have been Ilana's reelection headquarters I suppose. Another prime site now ready for urban renewal.
I guess it was that one?!

https://www.facebook.com/detrasdelrumor/videos/1466059163561809/

They say in the video it is the house from Armando...
 

CristoRey

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All of the borders are going to be
closed very soon. Even if these places
were allowed to be open I'm sure business
would still be way down.
 

Abuela

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Thank goodness I know how to use the urban dictionary to understand you young folks!
 

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Close the newly opened bars in PC again due to COVID-19 ??? :alien:

And the new Marriott hotel that should have opened by now, or early april.

Any news?

This will hit the wallets hard, people will suffer more.

I feel with the workers and the restaurant owners:hurt:
As for the Marriott Beach Club in Sosua, I spoke to a man who is working on the construction. He told me it would be open by "high season".. CV-19 could delay that.
 

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A friend on the North Coast reports that the people appear to be obeying the quarantine and curfew orders. Streets and beaches are largely deserted, hotels mostly closed, but food is not as scarce as some were concerned about. How long it will hold is anyone's guess.
 

chico bill

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The future of Sosua is December 2020 - It sure isn't the next 8 months, as things will be slower than the snails crawling up my garden wall.

Not much traffic. The beach is a great place to enjoy by yourself and the dogs.
Having to prepare my own meals is a drag, but i am saving a lot of money by not hitting the town every other day for a beer and tacos and the accompanying tips.

I have noticed a lot of motoconcho drivers standing around the ATMs saying "I hungry". Well I can feel your pain but if I gave money to all 8 of them the other day I would be hungry too. I do feel for those guys, and I hope the guy financing their motos gives them slack on payments. But I am helping a couple families with children.

As for food - when the DR Government doesn't provide handouts things might get rougher, although I have not seen them personally distributing food.
 

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Out of complete and utter boredom we drove from POP to Sosua today. Said hello (at a safe distance) to a few friends, great to see them and then drove back.
The streets were empty and everything except a few Colmados was closed, including Playero.
I will be sure to frequent many businesses both in POP and Sosua once this house arrest is over.

P.S. We were back in the house with plenty of time to spare. I didn't want a flat tire or other issue to have me concerned about being out past curfew.
 

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The government has been giving out food at least in Jamao. It was distributed to the pastors and priests and they distributed it to the people.

Some of our communities are far off the main road where even a car cannot go. A friend dropped off food packets in those communities, riding on his 4 wheeler. The residents had no idea there was a pandemic going on and lockdowns here.
 

chico bill

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So the girls are no longer an an issue?
Saw one chica on the back of a moto patrolling the streets looking around, saw her in several streets in Batey, then on the way back home I saw the police pulling her & her moto driver over to have a chat and neither had masks on but the police did.

I think the mongers, who might risk VD, won't risk the Wuhan virus. Certainly Viagra and condom sales must have hit bottom.
 

jd426

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Well, the mayor finally got rid of prostitution after8 yrs.
Yeagh,
And it only took her getting beaten out of office by Willy, + a Global Virus Pandemic to do it ..

Quite the accomplishment .. but it would not surprise me if she takes credit for it .
 

CristoRey

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Extremely temporary!
Don't hold your breath. Most businesses
in and around Sosua operate on a month
to month basis. I know a few business owners
up there who were already hurting prior to this
China virus. With so many of these businesses
remaining closed for who knows how long, I'm
willing to bet several of them won't make it, they're
done. If loss of places to eat, drink, sleep and dance
is substantial and no tourist are traveling down here to indulge then who are these women going to be
selling it to? each other?
 

Big

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Don't hold your breath. Most businesses
in and around Sosua operate on a month
to month basis. I know a few business owners
up there who were already hurting prior to this
China virus. With so many of these businesses
remaining closed for who knows how long, I'm
willing to bet several of them won't make it, they're
done. If loss of places to eat, drink, sleep and dance
is substantial and no tourist are traveling down here to indulge then who are these women going to be
selling it to? each other?
Many businesses will sting for sure, just like here in the US. However when the dust settles come hell or high water the chicas will be back and they will be hungry. Once the airports open back up the chicas ( who incidentally monitor incoming flights) will ready willing and able
 

ctrob

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Many businesses will sting for sure, just like here in the US. However when the dust settles come hell or high water the chicas will be back and they will be hungry. Once the airports open back up the chicas ( who incidentally monitor incoming flights) will ready willing and able
But the girls won't come if the guys aren't here waiting. Ahnvee and the East end of PC was still an experiment when things went south with the virus. I think it's 50/50 as to whether it will really take off. I also think it entirely possible that many guys will move on to greener pastures. Some already have. And I don't think anybody is coming down till next high season.
 

CristoRey

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But the girls won't come if the guys aren't here waiting. Ahnvee and the East end of PC was still an experiment when things went south with the virus. I think it's 50/50 as to whether it will really take off. I also think it entirely possible that many guys will move on to greener pastures. Some already have. And I don't think anybody is coming down till next high season.
Will be a different landscape in 6 months.
 

Seamonkey

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But the girls won't come if the guys aren't here waiting. Ahnvee and the East end of PC was still an experiment when things went south with the virus. I think it's 50/50 as to whether it will really take off. I also think it entirely possible that many guys will move on to greener pastures. Some already have. And I don't think anybody is coming down till next high season.
The boys on the other sites are already saving up and planning their next trip to Sosua, because they know the girls will be starving and desperate....meaning big savings on lodging and entertainment. As far as the local businesses, timing is perfect for the virus. Low season officially starts after Easter, so in retrospect it began a few weeks earlier. Things could have been worse if it hit in December.
 

cavok

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I think this summer and off-season will be worse than last year and we won't see any significant number of tourists coming here until next year.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to come to Sosua and chase the chicas with lingering cases of CV19 and I've heard some of the experts predicting a secondary, smaller outbreak next Oct or Nov.
 

cobraboy

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I think this summer and off-season will be worse than last year and we won't see any significant number of tourists coming here until next year.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to come to Sosua and chase the chicas with lingering cases of CV19 and I've heard some of the experts predicting a secondary, smaller outbreak next Oct or Nov.
The entire tourism sector will suffer until next year at a minimum.

I have refunded deposits for 2020, and won't put tours on the calendar until winter 2021...at the earliest.
 

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The entire tourism sector will suffer until next year at a minimum.

I have refunded deposits for 2020, and won't put tours on the calendar until winter 2021...at the earliest.
..good idea..some of my neighbors today are acting like there is no quarantine.. I think this this is a sign of things to come.Doing this prolongs the virus.. remember this started with only one person in china..so if when everyone thinks the virus in the DR is over and there is 1 person left with no symtoms and is a carrier, and that person goes to a wedding party in Cap Cana with about 500 others...
 

CristoRey

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..good idea..some of my neighbors today are acting like there is no quarantine.. I think this this is a sign of things to come.Doing this prolongs the virus.. remember this started with only one person in china..so if when everyone thinks the virus in the DR is over and there is 1 person left with no symtoms and is a carrier, and that person goes to a wedding party in Cap Cana with about 500 others...
100% agreed.
The amount of people standing
in line in front of stores less than a foot
away from one another with no
protection is scarey. Its the way
they are, its the way it is and no
warnings or speeches are going
to change their life-long habits.
 

CristoRey

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For those of you who live in
or around Sousa and are curious
how this curfew is going for folks
up there living on the "other side of
the tracks" feel free to have a look
at a vid a friend/ former neighbor
of mine sent me earlier.
https://youtu.be/aJZqXHyssso
 

Cdn_Gringo

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There are too many people still moving around outside the curfew hours (probably even during the curfew hours) to stem the spread here in the DR. The ability to isolate people in a separate part of the home doesn't exist so even those in isolation are infecting others. There certainly aren't enough public health spaces currently to isolate people outside the home. As there is no hospital space buffer in this country to fall back on, the majority of the people must stay home most of the time.

If the curfew isn't extended and expanded, then expect more cities/towns to be sealed up - easily 25,000 by the end of April assuming there are that many test kits.
 

cavok

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Charimicos looks relatively quiet - especially compared to reports in other areas I've seen.
 

CristoRey

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This Johnny guy keeps on saying that these people can't work. Not one of those guys has a legit job to begin with. Just blaming the government on their bad luck. Johnny should start by pawning his golden earrings and chain. And your buddy making this video slapping skin with people in the street??? not much brighter helping spread the virus. All in all, Charamicos is still very quiet to it's usual self.
To clarify. This video was not sent to
me by the person who made it.
Simply reposted whats happening
on the (not so far) other side of town...
buddy.

Legit job or not. Let them run hungry
and paradise will start to feel a litlle
less like paradise for some of you
well to do folks who live up there.
 

chico bill

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Will be a different landscape in 6 months.
Depends on how fast they fast track a vaccine.
A week of debauchery in DR isn't worth one's life and unless the warmer weather helps snuff the virus, it will explode in the barrios from the lack of concern, protection and disregard for social distancing if not outright deliberate mingling
 

CristoRey

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Depends on how fast they fast track a vaccine.
A week of debauchery in DR isn't worth one's life and unless the warmer weather helps snuff the virus, it will explode in the barrios from the lack of concern, protection and disregard for social distancing if not outright deliberate mingling
A very nice older women,
probably in her 80's, stopped
me across the street from where
I live yesterday wearing no protection and asked me why
I've been wearing a mask the last
couple of days. I did my best to explain
to her what is going on. Asked if she lives
alone, she said "yes but my son comes to
visit me at least once a week".

All I could think to myself when walking
away was this is going to kill a lot more people
down here than they think it will.
 
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lifeisgreat

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A very nice older women,
probably in her 80's, stopped
me across the street from where
I live yesterday wearing no protection and asked me why
I've been wearing a mask the last
couple of days. I did my best to explain
to her what is going on. Asked if she lives
alone, she said "yes but my son comes to
visit me at least once a week".

All I could think to myself when walking
away was this is going to kill a lot more people
down here than they think it will.
So true and sad...
 

chico bill

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A very nice older women,
probably in her 80's, stopped
me across the street from where
I live yesterday wearing no protection and asked me why
I've been wearing a mask the last
couple of days. I did my best to explain
to her what is going on. Asked if she lives
alone, she said "yes but my son comes to
visit me at least once a week".

All I could think to myself when walking
away was this is going to kill a lot more people
down here than they think it will.
Particularly because doctors are boycotting hospital Ricardo Limarado over 'lack of protective equipment' in Puerto Plata which is Sosua's closest place for Wuhan virus treatment.
I gues their oath meant nothing to them.
 

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Private taxi to Haiti border

Charimicos looks relatively quiet - especially compared to reports in other areas I've seen.
Off Topic,, I have a Lady Friend who is Haitian and wants to reyturn via private taxi from Pourto Platta to her family in Haiti,, are they restricted to no travel ?
 

windeguy

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Particularly because doctors are boycotting hospital Ricardo Limarado over 'lack of protective equipment' in Puerto Plata which is Sosua's closest place for Wuhan virus treatment.
I gues their oath meant nothing to them.
I am aware of the ancient Greek oath on this topic.
Do you think doctors in the DR actually take it?
 

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Particularly because doctors are boycotting hospital Ricardo Limarado over 'lack of protective equipment' in Puerto Plata which is Sosua's closest place for Wuhan virus treatment.
I gues their oath meant nothing to them.
For a different perspective, this is an American doctor's quote from a medical forum I follow:

"You don't send a construction worker to a job site without a hardhat and steel toes. Because while they signed up to be construction workers with some inherent danger, they did not sign up to be not protected

You don't send a fire fighter into a fire without an oxygen tank and fire retardant gear. Because while they signed up to be a firefighter with inherent danger, they did not sign up to be not protected

You don't send a SWAT officer into a drug bust without a bulletproof vest. Because while they signed up to be a SWAT officer with inherent danger, they did not sign up to be not protected

You do not send a doctor (or any health care provider) to look after a sick patient without PPE. Because while they signed up to be a doctor (or HCP) with some inherent danger, they did not sign up to be not protected

Its that simple. Any MBA that tells you otherwise is a lying"

The medical system in the DR is stretched thin as it is. Having medical professionals unable to work due to illness or death from a lack of appropriate PPE just exacerbates the problem.
 
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Caonabo

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Off Topic,, I have a Lady Friend who is Haitian and wants to reyturn via private taxi from Pourto Platta to her family in Haiti,, are they restricted to no travel ?
No travel through provinces this week. The ban on inter-provincial travel has been extended beyond the 5pm to 6am curfew. Only food and medicine suppliers are being allowed to transport goods between the provinces. PERHAPS, following Easter Sunday.
 

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Particularly because doctors are boycotting hospital Ricardo Limarado over 'lack of protective equipment' in Puerto Plata which is Sosua's closest place for Wuhan virus treatment.
I gues their oath meant nothing to them.
..there are Doctors here who are running away from the sick patients...…..
 

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I see David is pressing on with the sports bar by High Caribbean.A lot of his Haitian workers are not around for obvious reasons but it's progressing slowly.

It's refreshing to see someone with optimism.
 
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Many businesses will sting for sure, just like here in the US. However when the dust settles come hell or high water the chicas will be back and they will be hungry. Once the airports open back up the chicas ( who incidentally monitor incoming flights) will ready willing and able
Some much is written,on this small town,populated with hookers,amazing.The last time i was in sosua was 2004,i guess living in Jarabacoa,i am removed from such things.A question,if the place slid off the earth,what would the men,looking for sex do?
 

CristoRey

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Do the locals,go to the working girls of sosua? Or is it just the tourist?
Welcome to Wonderland.
Most locals will go with anything
that has a heart beat and a pair of tits.
(and some cases the heart beat is optional)
Tread lightly my fren as this topic of discussion
is frowned upon by most of us DR1 members,
 

cavok

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Airlines are blocking off the middle seats to provide "safe distancing", so they won't be able to fly the same number of passengers as they were before. They need a load factor in the 70's just to break even. It seems to me they'll have no choice but to raise fares. Passengers are now going to be required to wear masks. How are you going to be able to eat your bag of pretzels and drink a soda with a mask on?

I see the coming high season worse than last year which wasn't very good.
 

Caonabo

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Airlines are blocking off the middle seats to provide "safe distancing", so they won't be able to fly the same number of passengers as they were before. They need a load factor in the 70's just to break even. It seems to me they'll have no choice but to raise fares. Passengers are now going to be required to wear masks. How are you going to be able to eat your bag of pretzels and drink a soda with a mask on?

I see the coming high season worse than last year which wasn't very good.
Bag of pretzels, or Terra Blues?
Will gloves be required to be worn when using the restrooms? What of those that prefer to remove their shoes in-flight, without socks on?
 

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I know a few guys who own small businesses in DR, and others who rent properties. Some do business as a fun hobby in semi-retirement, others depend on it for their livelihood. All think that 2020 will be a wash for them, and have no expectation of a return to whatever the new normal is anytime soon.

Some are looking for opportunities to acquire land and/or businesses for cheap when the time comes. Personally, I think expat properties may go on sale, but local-owned units, not so much (as they're often paid off, making it easier to sit on a vacant property.)

The problem is that the majority of DR's North Coast visitors are tethered to linear income, meaning their livelihoods are connected to a job, or some sort of retirement or disability benefit. Regardless of what the stock market does, NA and EU are both heading into a difficult time where discretionary/vacation income will be relatively scarce. Combine that with the very reasonable likelihood of a second wave, and a slow restart in DR regardless, and who knows....

I admire my friends' optimism, but wonder where things will be by the end of next year. For those doing it for fun, they should experience virtually no changes; the others may have a difficult time ahead of them.