The future of Sosua

jd426

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Don't forget bingo and pub trivia!
Let him RIP, but when I saw that first time I was like " if this is what you need to do to keep your BAR/ Restaurant afloat .... maybe you are doing it wrong " ....
Call me crazy , but I thought people went for FOOD, Drink, and perhaps a Screen to watch a game .
or maybe Expats in Sosua really are that Bored ( or boring) , who knows ........ But a Bingo night ? on Pedro Clisante ? ... its like something you should only see on the Twilight zone ... which Ironically enough is exactly where we are at right now ..
 
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CristoRey

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Shirley you can't be serious. I agree it might not be anytime soon. But do you really think a Mayor would try to stop a mult imillion dollar project on private property?
For starters, they couldn't. But why would they even try? Because some gringos think the squatter shacks are quaint?
Do I think a Mayor would try to stop a multi-million dollar project on private property? No, I do not. Where on earth
did you come up with this idea?
 

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Let him RIP, but when I saw that first time I was like " if this is what you need to do to keep your BAR/ Restaurant afloat .... maybe you are doing it wrong " ....
Call me crazy , but I thought people went for FOOD, Drink, and perhaps a Screen to watch a game .
or maybe Expats in Sosua really are that Bored ( or boring) , who knows ........ But a Bingo night ? on Pedro Clisante ? ... its like something you should only see on the Twilight zone ... which Ironically enough is exactly where we are at right now ..
If people enjoy playing bingo on Pedro Clisante, who are we to criticise them?
 

ctrob

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Do I think a Mayor would try to stop a multi-million dollar project on private property? No, I do not. Where on earth
did you come up with this idea?
From your post, you said: Now that Willy is Mayor, no changes on the Beach (paraphrased).

If I misinterpreted, my apologies.
 
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windeguy

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Check out a news post I just made about POP airport and how it may not reopen to tourists until 2021.
 
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Timotero

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Shirley you can't be serious........
Great movie. And everytime I watch it I notice another film parody.
And I agree with Ram, the beach restaurants do seem cleaner to me.

That said, , I picked a hell of a time to give up drinking!
 
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CristoRey

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From your post, you said: Now that Willy is Mayor, no changes on the Beach (paraphrased).

If I misinterpreted, my apologies.
No worries. I misinterprete things constantly,
usually after my third glass. Cheers.
 

Lobo Tropical

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10 years ago that would have been great. But it's now an open sewer in behind the vendor shacks. The only fix is to level it, dig out the toxic waste, and start over with new 12 story buildings.

Weren't you looking to down size? There will be great views!
Considering that there is a pandemic and tourism is dead right now and will be severely reduced for at least the next two years,
The question is,
How much will this condo/hotel development cost?
Who will be the investor in this business climate?
Where from and when will clients come, to make this business venture cost effective?
 
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jstarebel

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Considering that there is a pandemic and tourism is dead right now and will be severely reduced for at least the next two years,
The question is,
How much will this condo/hotel development cost?
Who will be the investor in this business climate?
Where from and when will clients come, to make this business venture cost effective?
I'll start by saying I have no idea who if any investment group would touch Sosua right now...

I do know that in 1990, IGY Marinas was looking hard at Sosua and in negotiations with the government. The sticking points were the kiosks on the beach, and that the DR Govt. wanted IGY to build a new sewage treatment facility on on their dime.. This was right after they finished Blue Haven Marina on Provo.

If IGY or any other hospitality investor was to build anything in Sosua, they wouldn't be worrying about where their clients would be coming from because they would be built in.. Companies like Four Seasons, Starwood Resorts, Viceroy and many others vacation conglomerates already have their client base built in. They can care less if people call to book. What's important is the different destinations they have available for their "Vacation Ownership" clients. Many little islands with less than half of the tourism draw of the DR have these very expensive resorts on them and are booked all of the time. The more properties they own, the more memberships they can "sell" and that's where their clients come from.
 

ctrob

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Considering that there is a pandemic and tourism is dead right now and will be severely reduced for at least the next two years,
The question is,
How much will this condo/hotel development cost?
Who will be the investor in this business climate?
Where from and when will clients come, to make this business venture cost effective?
I'm assuming your questions are rhetorical?

Like any large project, they'll adjust to the market. But considering it will take several years to complete the build out anyways, the pandemic may hardly
effect the schedule.
 

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I'll start by saying I have no idea who if any investment group would touch Sosua right now...

I do know that in 1990, IGY Marinas was looking hard at Sosua and in negotiations with the government. The sticking points were the kiosks on the beach, and that the DR Govt. wanted IGY to build a new sewage treatment facility on on their dime.. This was right after they finished Blue Haven Marina on Provo.

If IGY or any other hospitality investor was to build anything in Sosua, they wouldn't be worrying about where their clients would be coming from because they would be built in.. Companies like Four Seasons, Starwood Resorts, Viceroy and many others vacation conglomerates already have their client base built in. They can care less if people call to book. What's important is the different destinations they have available for their "Vacation Ownership" clients. Many little islands with less than half of the tourism draw of the DR have these very expensive resorts on them and are booked all of the time. The more properties they own, the more memberships they can "sell" and that's where their clients come from.
for Sosua to advance they need an updated or new sewage system. I like the town but not so much the smell of sewage after a rain.
 

jstarebel

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for Sosua to advance they need an updated or new sewage system. I like the town but not so much the smell of sewage after a rain.
Upgrading the sewage system itself is doable. Tankage and air.. Not rocket science.. Problem with Sosewer as I like to call it is the infrastructure. It's beat and installing a new one complete comes with numerous engineering challenges. Whomever takes on this project we will be floating a lot of long term bonds because it's not going to be cheap..
 

ctrob

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The project at the beach is large enough to warrant it's own wastewater treatment plant. I've seen projects as small as 30 residential units having their own treatment plant. A treatment plant at the beach location wouldn't solve the towns current treatment issues, but it would certainly help clear the air at the beach.
 

jstarebel

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The project at the beach is large enough to warrant it's own wastewater treatment plant. I've seen projects as small as 30 residential units having their own treatment plant. A treatment plant at the beach location wouldn't solve the towns current treatment issues, but it would certainly help clear the air at the beach.
Other than a zero discharge Membrane Bio-Reactor plant which is very expensive to buy, install, and operate, any sewage plant installed on the beach will still discharge sewage effluent into the ocean which is unacceptable. BTW, the Carnival project in Maimon was required to install an MBR plant.
 

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Other than a zero discharge Membrane Bio-Reactor plant which is very expensive to buy, install, and operate, any sewage plant installed on the beach will still discharge sewage effluent into the ocean which is unacceptable. BTW, the Carnival project in Maimon was required to install an MBR plant.
I have often wondered how much if any sewage makes it into Sosua Bay or the Beach in Cabarete. They often do bacteria readings on the beaches in the U.S. Most of the U.S beaches have gotten better. I can remember though the N.J beach's were haveing a problem many years ago with medical waste like syringes washing up on the beach. Crushed an entire season for the Jersey shore.