The future of Sosua

[lifeisgreat]

I can't see any sector which has not been,or will soon be, unfavourably affected,directly or indirectly by the removal of tourism from Sosua.

The question remains,
Why is she doing this,who is paying and why is it not being opposed by stake holders also in what way does it benefit local citizens?

Any fool can dismantle a complex organism,few can successfully re-build it..

It’s government marching orders not mayors...

 

[lifeisgreat]

Care to elaborate?

That’s what tourism minister said was vision for area...

 

[ramesses]

It’s government marching orders not mayors...

There is money for all the pockets. The top gets the most and the rest take the dregs left over. This is not what is best for the people. Never has been. A few investors benefit as a result. The people still wallow.

 

[Big]

Yes,I can see it. Once they push out all the chicas, the chica chasers and the thousands of supporting people that live off the skin trade, they will all just naturally shift into the numerous high tech jobs, or the industrial, manufacturing sector. Then the high end tourists will come in hordes and check into those crumbling concreate buildings with rooms that look like state prison cells and spend thousand at those super sexy boutique shops that line the beach. I cant wait.

 

[cobraboy]

There is money for all the pockets. The top gets the most and the rest take the dregs left over. This is not what is best for the people. Never has been. A few investors benefit as a result. The people still wallow.

Please explain your model.

 

[cobraboy]

Yes,I can see it. Once they push out all the chicas, the chica chasers and the thousands of supporting people that live off the skin trade, they will all just naturally shift into the numerous high tech jobs, or the industrial, manufacturing sector. Then the high end tourists will come in hordes and check into those crumbling concreate buildings with rooms that look like state prison cells and spend thousand at those super sexy boutique shops that line the beach. I cant wait.

What % of the Sosua economy is dependant on the monger trade?

 

[jd426]

Tourists pump money into the local economy.

X-Pats pump money into the local economy.

Whore mongers pump money into the local economy.

In the DR, the question is, which group can the powers that be, line their pockets the most from. This whole thing is about money.

Well, this is ONE topic we can agree on 100% ... but others here just dont grasp how money flows..
Seems they thing that when these evil mongers drop $2,000 in just a single week ( does not matter what they spend it on) that it has NO effect on the local Economy... Lemme see now , last time I checked 2,000 x 4.15(weeks in the month) = about $ 8, 300.. that is 8 THOUSAND Dollars , if it were Monthly ...... How many Expats HERE Spend $8,300 a MONTH in SOSUA in a month, or even $2,000 in any one week ?? I would like to meet ONE such person ..
Your $300 ? a month on Food and Drink, is nothing . compared to that kind of Cash Flow these people pump into the Econmy of Sosua .. one plane Load after the other . .
I am guessing its around $1,000,000 (thats one MILLION dollars) a WEEK.. cheeeeenge my mind if you can
Think of them what you want , but them are serious $ numbers .

What % of the Sosua economy is dependant on the monger trade?

I would estimate $ wise, about 50- 60 % .. And Some Hotels are literally 100% filled with " single men" Head Count wise ? they are only at about 10% Tops .if that
I gave one such example before , of a couple with kids who accidentally booked such a hotel room and checked out the next day .. If you sit at ANY BAR in Sosua, you can hear about such stories all day long. ( couples like Suzy and Bobby from Ohio , who booked online, and then got a big surprise when they arrived )

 

[ramesses]

Please explain your model.

My model? Corruption from the top down? This has nothing to do with morality and the want to help the people of the area. It's my opinion.

 

[cobraboy]

My model? Corruption from the top down? This has nothing to do with morality and the want to help the people of the area. It's my opinion.

You said:

There is money for all the pockets. The top gets the most and the rest take the dregs left over. This is not what is best for the people. Never has been. A few investors benefit as a result. The people still wallow.

I'm just trying to understand specifically what you mean. Where does the $$$ come from? Who gets it? How and why? Amounts, percentages, etc.

A model for corruption.

 

[cobraboy]

I would estimate $ wise, about 50- 60 % .. And Some Hotels are literally 100% filled with " single men" Head Count wise ? they are only at about 10% Tops .if that
I gave one such example before , of a couple with kids who accidentally booked such a hotel room and checked out the next day .. If you sit at ANY BAR in Sosua, you can hear about such stories all day long. ( couples like Suzy and Bobby from Ohio , who booked online, and then got a big surprise when they arrived )

I dunno, but the % Seems high.

$2000 a week for a WW also seems high.

I'm sure within select environs that cater to the monger crowd it may be true, but in the bigger picture of Sosua, seems a large number.

That would be like every AA, United and Jet Blue flight is filled with mongers.

That said, I doubt the authorities care.

 

[ramesses]

You said:



I'm just trying to understand specifically what you mean. Where does the $$$ come from? Who gets it? How and why? Amounts, percentages, etc.

A model for corruption.

Plenty of money flows in the building of these resorts, zoning and such. You know this stuff.

 

[ramesses]

I dunno, but the % Seems high.

$2000 a week for a WW also seems high.

I'm sure within select environs that cater to the monger crowd it may be true, but in the bigger picture of Sosua, seems a large number.

That would be like every AA, United and Jet Blue flight is filled with mongers.

That said, I doubt the authorities care.

In my years $2000 a week was on the low end...and that is years ago. I was budgeting $350 to $400 a day.

When I lived there I spent $1800 - $2000 a month. I was comfortable but company shy.

 

[jd426]

In my years $2000 a week was on the low end...and that is years ago. I was budgeting $350 to $400 a day.

When I lived there I spent $1800 - $2000 a month. I was comfortable but company shy.

I was being conservative , as I wanted someone to try to challenge me on the #'s ... so i could hit them with the " survey says" you are wrong ... i also know for a fact it WAS $200 a day MIN spending cash like 10 years ago ,, this does NOT include Hotel or plane, or even Taxi .. that was just per day " Pocket money" these guys spend .. and that money keeps a LOT of Businesses in Sosua humming ..especially Restaurants which have Camarones on the menu.

Just side note trivial point.
Do you know that many other towns , dont even HAVE Camarones on the menu sometimes , or are out of them .. Like the nice little spot in Samana City we used to go to (really really good food btw) .. last time we stopped in , they did not even have them , " too expensive" .. can you imagine ?
When has any Restaurant in Sosua ever run out of Camarones ?
think about it .

 

[Big]

I dunno, but the % Seems high.

$2000 a week for a WW also seems high.

I'm sure within select environs that cater to the monger crowd it may be true, but in the bigger picture of Sosua, seems a large number.

That would be like every AA, United and Jet Blue flight is filled with mongers.

That said, I doubt the authorities care.

his assessment seems like its right on the money so to speak, right down to the numerous hotels that cater to single men and are 100% occupied (paid for) by men. The nicest restaurants in and are around Sosua always have tables with gringos and their arm candy, short skirted chicas. The flights to and from Miami are 70 percent men. Almost all the 1st class seats are occupied by middle aged men, no families. At least that is what I have observed for the last 10 years. I fly between the U.S, and the DR 3 times a month and often see the same middle aged dudes. Its mecca baby

 

[Seamonkey]

Well, this is ONE topic we can agree on 100% ... but others here just dont grasp how money flows..
Seems they thing that when these evil mongers drop $2,000 in just a single week ( does not matter what they spend it on) that it has NO effect on the local Economy... Lemme see now , last time I checked 2,000 x 4.15(weeks in the month) = about $ 8, 300.. that is 8 THOUSAND Dollars , if it were Monthly ...... How many Expats HERE Spend $8,300 a MONTH in SOSUA in a month, or even $2,000 in any one week ?? I would like to meet ONE such person ..
Your $300 ? a month on Food and Drink, is nothing . compared to that kind of Cash Flow these people pump into the Econmy of Sosua .. one plane Load after the other . .
I am guessing its around $1,000,000 (thats one MILLION dollars) a WEEK.. cheeeeenge my mind if you can
Think of them what you want , but them are serious $ numbers .




I would estimate $ wise, about 50- 60 % .. And Some Hotels are literally 100% filled with " single men" Head Count wise ? they are only at about 10% Tops .if that
I gave one such example before , of a couple with kids who accidentally booked such a hotel room and checked out the next day .. If you sit at ANY BAR in Sosua, you can hear about such stories all day long. ( couples like Suzy and Bobby from Ohio , who booked online, and then got a big surprise when they arrived )

Dead on. Also, the money flows in after they have left their holiday. Many of these mongers regularly send their chicas money through western union. All that money is 100% filtered back into Sosua via.....nail salons, hair salons, clothing stores, colmados, cell phones and so on.

 

[Polar Bear]

Well, this is ONE topic we can agree on 100% ... but others here just dont grasp how money flows..
Seems they thing that when these evil mongers drop $2,000 in just a single week ( does not matter what they spend it on) that it has NO effect on the local Economy... Lemme see now , last time I checked 2,000 x 4.15(weeks in the month) = about $ 8, 300.. that is 8 THOUSAND Dollars , if it were Monthly ...... How many Expats HERE Spend $8,300 a MONTH in SOSUA in a month, or even $2,000 in any one week ?? I would like to meet ONE such person ..
Your $300 ? a month on Food and Drink, is nothing . compared to that kind of Cash Flow these people pump into the Econmy of Sosua .. one plane Load after the other . .
I am guessing its around $1,000,000 (thats one MILLION dollars) a WEEK.. cheeeeenge my mind if you can
Think of them what you want , but them are serious $ numbers .

I would estimate $ wise, about 50- 60 % .. And Some Hotels are literally 100% filled with " single men" Head Count wise ? they are only at about 10% Tops .if that
I gave one such example before , of a couple with kids who accidentally booked such a hotel room and checked out the next day .. If you sit at ANY BAR in Sosua, you can hear about such stories all day long. ( couples like Suzy and Bobby from Ohio , who booked online, and then got a big surprise when they arrived )

I dunno, but the % Seems high.

$2000 a week for a WW also seems high.

I'm sure within select environs that cater to the monger crowd it may be true, but in the bigger picture of Sosua, seems a large number.

That would be like every AA, United and Jet Blue flight is filled with mongers.

That said, I doubt the authorities care.

1. There is no way that the numbers are the same month in and month out. it varies widely.

2. I've been coming to Sosua (and other places, buttt…), on and off, for over 15 years, I've lived there and had extended vacations there...weeks or multiple times a year, for years, and with the possible exception of Super Bowl Weekend/specially organized events I have never seen numbers of adult male tourists even approaching 500. Monger or not. Never. 200 at a time would be a stretch and less nowadays. Many hotels are mostly empty...some closed. If you walk the beach many days, year round, many times you'd be hard pressed to find 50...or even 20 gringos and it never seems busy...under 100 I'd guess most days...

With, I'd guess and correct me if I'm wrong, the average hotel price at $50 a night year round a 7 day stay would be $350. Even if it was $600 a week you'd have to drop an additional $200 EVERY damn day to equal $200 a week on food, drinks and "entertainment". There's no way most are doing that, never mind average Joe and his buddies and forget about consistently.

150, maybe 200 guys (Mongers) which would be a high average, spending less than $1500 a week = $225000 which is crazy. I simply don't see it when I'm there...or read about it or see different on FB, etc...

For every "weekend warrior" bleeding money there's 1, 2, 4 budget minding guys, low key, having a relaxing week...with or without the occasional chica. I know many people that no longer partake or never did...so we can take some of that off the table too.

MY question would be how much money is generated in Sosua in total per week? I doubt that "monger money" is even 5%...no way it's 10%.

If there are 30,000 people/adults living in greater Sosua and they each generate $100 USD/$5000 pesos/week that = $3,000,000 and if mongers generate $225,000 that's 7.5%

I personally suspect that the gross $$$ generated is more...50%+ more so monger $$$ is probably less than 5%.

"Prove ME wrong" LOL

Adding in longer term expats, snowbirds, etc...would change things but even they tend to be more frugal...or so seems to be the prevailing opinion here

 

[CristoRey]

I was in El Batey Thursday night until around 9pm.
PC was very quiet with almost no prostitutes on the
street. I might have left the strip a little early that
evening but from what I was told, the Cestur and PN
have been really hard on the women working the
strip lately with heavier financial penalties in order to
discourage them from traveling to Sosua from places
like Santiago and Puerto Plata for the sole purpose of
plying their trade.

 

[cobraboy]

Plenty of money flows in the building of these resorts, zoning and such. You know this stuff.

Thanks. I didn't know you were referring to resorts.

Zoning is a racket everywhere.

 

[ljmesg]

If anyone thinks that the almost 50,000 person population of Sosua is more than partly dependent upon tourist or expat dollars I would like to see the proof on that. Pedro Clistante is a tiny section of Sosua. I stated that it is my opinion that over time expats who are residents will play more of a role than whoremongers play, but that role will always be a small one. Do you really think that whore mongers play a huge role in supporting 50,000 people that live in Sosua?



I could be wrong that expats will play a larger part than whore mongers in the future. But I doubt it. I see the trend in more properties being built and occupied slowly over time. And others see what they call "harassment" of the chicas.



True. You understand my point.




We are only talking about a small section of Sosua when we refer to anyone living as an expat or a tourist from out of the country propping it up. The greater Sosua area has 50,000 people living in it. Please explain to me how the amount of expats and tourists combined ever at any time supported 50,000 people.

I get it. Sosua is poppin with local dollars! That's why all the business failures and decreased tourism?

 

[ljmesg]

Tourists pump money into the local economy.

X-Pats pump money into the local economy.

Whore mongers pump money into the local economy.

In the DR, the question is, which group can the powers that be, line their pockets the most from. This whole thing is about money.

What about the 50,000 locals. What do they pump in[emoji1787]