The future of Sosua

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Lobo Tropical

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The government did care enough to bring in the fiscal and military the other night and close down some bars and discos in Sosua. It is not like they don't care at all. Just not very much.

As for the push back by some saying what is or is not legal about the closures. Good luck with that.

You live long enough to know what politicians, judges, lawyers and police do care about in the DR.

As to, proper security, side walks, street lights, roads, drinking water, hospitals, electricity........

All that just in Sosua or Cabarete.

Visit La Ciénega with your wife, Sabaneta, La Union, Montellano.......
 

Lobo Tropical

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Foreign Investors Beware

Perhaps if you forwarded your concerns to the Fiscal, they could return and evict another set of businesses?

Hotel Central has been operating with a licence for a long time and still is.

Why Kings was issued licences as a restaurant and now closed is a Dominican question.

Amazing that people still invest money in this environment.
I can imagine much better and secure ROI in other locations.

Dominican Government will just continue to be that gov.rd with all the associated certainty.
 

Lobo Tropical

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It is possible I suppose if the "nightlife" doesn't relocate to the east end, and remains where it is not wanted because the remaining establishments were not closed along with the others, their longevity in their current location could be revisited.

It is not a terribly complicated process to rezone a business out of existence.

There are very nice condos USD 165,000 calle Guatemeala very close to all the new noise and undesirable activities.
Very sorry for those investors, once again a warning to foreign owners about how things change in the DR
with loco visions.
Work out your plans and location before committing.
 

bob saunders

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Would really like to take out the racist and political posters. MOD?

This is an internet forum not a PTA meeting and I havenèt seen anything that isn't true, have you. I am not sure what posts you are objecting to. Seems like a good idea to red light district a certain area.
 

CristoRey

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Would really like to take out the racist and political posters. MOD?

I don't recall reading any racist comments anywhere on this thread.
Each time myself or anyone else post a comment, its displayed along
with a number on the top right side.

Why don't you list the racist and political comments by the numbers which
they are posted under so (we can all see) the MOD can remove them if
need be?
 

windeguy

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All those banging (head) on their keyboards about change, if you mean a few bars closed (where some may reopen soon) and some moved to a few meters away, yes that happened, big change.... ! lol

Seems like it is a big deal to some people. Certainly to those bar owners who ignored the instructions to move or be closed.

But if that has changed (or will change) Sosua's image or chica situation or change the minds of so called big pocket developers to shovel in their money here, or DR elite perspective of the place, or bring in lots of new tourists or families due to this, I don't think so, unless they (you) are really naive... ?
I don't expect much. That way I am not disappointed. This small change in Sosua was a long time in coming.


As far as which bars were closed it is obvious to me, those that were frequented by our Afro American, black, from NY/Boston friends (whatever you want to call them) were targeted. Those mainly had white, German, blonde, blue eyes clienteles were left open... !? This had nothing to do with chica attendance or congregation or bar/restaurant status (don't kid yourself).

Spot on with part of the above. That is exactly what finally made the government move off the dime. But I do think it had to do with the general in your face nature of the hookers as well.

And before you ask, no I am not black, and although I don't like their music or smell of cigars and sometimes loud and in your face approach, I am not racist (like some !), and I think what the authorities have done has obvious signs of discrimination and clear racism. I like the idea of live and let live and I think all types should be taken care of and catered for, this was an abhorrent approach by the authorities.

Wait until the US media gets hold of this story properly and the PR sh*t storm that hits DR government will be far worse than when they badly treated Haitians and then had to backtrack on a lot of their absurd plans and projects. In fact I encourage some of those affected and clearly targeted to pass it on as those who did this deserves whatever is coming to them. Nobody cares about Haitians in US or IMF even, but US AA citizens being discriminated and targeted like this will start a huge story....!

I do not think for a second that US Media is going to go on the defense of hooker bars. Not for one instant. Maybe ISOC will rage over it, but media in the USA? I doubt that very much.

As for Oxfam advising IMF and other governments on human trafficking and sex conduct of DR, pleeeeaaase, Oxfam was and is in the center of so many sex abuse allegations (food for sex, and even minors abuse) in Africa and Haiti and some other places they really should hide their face in shame, rather than pointing fingers...

The sex trafficking was a clever excuse. One that is hard to argue against in that main stream media. I did not see that coming.
 

windeguy

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You live long enough to know what politicians, judges, lawyers and police do care about in the DR.

As to, proper security, side walks, street lights, roads, drinking water, hospitals, electricity........

All that just in Sosua or Cabarete.

Visit La Ciénega with your wife, Sabaneta, La Union, Montellano.......

I am very familiar with the corruption here. I read the news and exposes about it. I have seen examples of it first hand, been to the mayors office, etc.

I was in La Cienaga once, Sabaneta many times (used to visit the house of the man in charge there), we were married at Wilson's by the river , but only a couple of times in La Union and Montellano.

My wife was born here. She is not unhappy with what happened in Sosua and she can vote (in Cabarete).
 

JD Jones

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It is possible I suppose if the "nightlife" doesn't relocate to the east end, and remains where it is not wanted because the remaining establishments were not closed along with the others, their longevity in their current location could be revisited.

It is not a terribly complicated process to rezone a business out of existence.

Zoning? What's that? lol
 

windeguy

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You are such an incredible Sosua visionary. Could you please tell me when the families are coming to Sosua?

I don't think the government really cares all that much if the families do come back to Sosua. This was about reducing the stain of prostitution upon the country as a whole, not just one small town. Think of it as like cutting out a bad spot on an apple.
 

cobraboy

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I don't think the government really cares all that much if the families do come back to Sosua. This was about reducing the stain of prostitution upon the country as a whole, not just one small town. Think of it as like cutting out a bad spot on an apple.
It is not an either/or, monger/family situation.

As I have stated before, travel agents refuse to send their clients to the North Coast, specifically Sosua, because of the sex tourism.

The DR does NOT like the current reputation of Sosua, as it has a "halo effect" on the rest of the country's tourism efforts.

It's not "hookers are gone Monday, Joe and Molly SixPack and Spawns arrive Tuesday."

Fact is few credible tourism developers would invest substantial real $$$ until the area is cleaned up and sex tourism is in the rear-view mirror.

This does NOT mean prostitution and their element are gone forever. It means the goal is image rehab. But fact is if sex tourism is limited to a few thousand meters outside of town and strictly enforced, would the hardcore mongers still come when they had the run of the entire town before? I suspect not nearly in the numbers of years past...and that's the point.

I had meetings yesterday with a couple of mucky-mucks in Ministries. The topic of Sosua and to a lesser degree Puerto Plata came up. From what I gathered, I have no doubt the efforts in Sosua will be sustained well into the future.
 

ramesses

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It is not an either/or, monger/family situation.

As I have stated before, travel agents refuse to send their clients to the North Coast, specifically Sosua, because of the sex tourism.

The DR does NOT like the current reputation of Sosua, as it has a "halo effect" on the rest of the country's tourism efforts.

It's not "hookers are gone Monday, Joe and Molly SixPack and Spawns arrive Tuesday."

Fact is few credible tourism developers would invest substantial real $$$ until the area is cleaned up and sex tourism is in the rear-view mirror.

This does NOT mean prostitution and their element are gone forever. It means the goal is image rehab. But fact is if sex tourism is limited to a few thousand meters outside of town and strictly enforced, would the hardcore mongers still come when they had the run of the entire town before? I suspect not nearly in the numbers of years past...and that's the point.

I had meetings yesterday with a couple of mucky-mucks in Ministries. The topic of Sosua and to a lesser degree Puerto Plata came up. From what I gathered, I have no doubt the efforts in Sosua will be sustained well into the future.

You are right. This about money and greased palms. About nothing more. It can be prettied up with all this morality blather. This is about money.
 

cobraboy

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You are right. This about money and greased palms. About nothing more. It can be prettied up with all this morality blather. This is about money.
I'm not even convinced "greased palms" are in play here.
 

ramesses

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I'm not even convinced "greased palms" are in play here.

That may be the case but that has been the history of the running of government in the country. I am sure down the line, there are greased palms. Ultimately is it about money. I don't blame them. It makes most decisions in this world.
 
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