The Level of Education!

[cobraboy]

Go see the documentary "Life and Debt", about how the World Bank deals with globalization and their policies for lending money to developing nations. It will encapsulize why and how their policies succeed in developing greater amounts of poverty for the masses.

Read a book called "Bitter Fruit" about US foriegn relations in Guatemala and you will further understand Americas's affect on Latin America and the carribean.

Read further still about the current dealings the DR has with the US and its ecomomic relationship in terms of loans and debt repayment(that's if you know how how to read) and you may see what I see and understand that it has nothing to do with US bashing but everything to do with what is actually going on, which you can't sugarcoat with an ignorant sarcastic remark I"m afraid.

You might want to do a search and find my edumactional background before you post stuff you know nothing about. You assume something that doesn't exist.

My comment was ~why~ Chip00 left: he got tired about America bashing that mods seem to allow. I fully understand his perspective.

You can bloviate all you want. It's OK for reasonable men to disagree.

America bashing has NOTHING to do with the DR.

The DR has ONE basic problem that is the genesis of all others: too many people, not enough resources. That is a common problem throughout much of the world.

 

[cobraboy]

Big second...lo que pasa es co?o que la verdad duele, carajo. Quiera Chip00 entenderlo o no, su pa?s siempre ha apoyado a estos monstruos que gobiernan a Latinoam?rica, para llevarse su tajada, no joda. Como dije antes, es cierto que nuestros gobiernos corruptos tienen la mayor parte de la culpa, pero el que niegue que EEUU nos ha hecho da?o con sus pol?ticas exteriores de libre mercado, es un BUEN JABLADOR! (para decirlo en dominicano ).

You're not particularly edumacated, are you? Especially in the area of economics.

You never read any Adam Smith, Rand or Hyeck, have you?

 

[SamanaJon]

Plenty of Blame going around..

There is only "una falla en el sistema educativo" and it falls directly on the Dominican people who vote the clowns into power every 4 years, who in turn rape this country economically. The Dominican public now have Leonel, Miguel or Aristy to pick from in 2008, go figure what the future holds for the DR. It does not take Rocket Scientist, to see what is coming.

 

[Mirador]

No confundamos la gimnasia con la magnesia...

... My comment was ~why~ Chip00 left: he got tired about America bashing that mods seem to allow. I fully understand his perspective. ...

Chip00 is confundiendo la gimnasia con la magnesia. There's really no U.S. bashing in this forum. On the contrary, I find that all members hold the U.S. in the highest esteem, including myself. Chip00's mistake is confusing the U.S. with it's Commander in Chief, Mr. George W. Bush, who has gone further than any President in destroying the reputation of the U.S., by demonstrating the weakness of its leadership and the vulnerability of the once proud and mighty US military...

 

[cobraboy]

Chip00 is confundiendo la gimnasia con la magnesia. There's really no U.S. bashing in this forum. On the contrary, I find that all members hold the U.S. in the highest esteem, including myself. Chip00's mistake is confusing the U.S. with it's Commander in Chief, Mr. George W. Bush, who has gone further than any President in destroying the reputation of the U.S., by demonstrating the weakness of its leadership and the vulnerability of the once proud and mighty US military...

Uh huh.

Right.

I've seen US bashing Mirador. Even from you.

But if I make a bash the Chavezista post, it gets deleted, and I get a "DR discussion only" reprimand.

I'm just sayin'...

 

[aegap]

Change the common practice from Capitalism to Communism and DR would be in a deeper hole, .. for that's not where the crux of its problem lies..

I mean, can you imagined the Dominican government running a "planned" economy? ..in control of all the productive sectors? running the private educational system, which works rather well, out of business? ...exponentially increasing the graft potential ain;t the way to go!!

 

[Mirador]

... it gets deleted, and I get a "DR discussion only" reprimand....

This also happens in the local mainstream media. For example, this morning, most online editions of the local press carried a story about an incident last night in downtown Villa Altagracia. A shootout between police and the occupants of a black late model SUV. The report mentioned that the police were following a black late model SUV reported stollen, when and a similar black late model SUV crossed their path, ending in the shooting of the passenger and driver of the second SUV, which happened to be military officers. The report goes on th mention that the police later managed to recover the real stolen SUV and arrest their occupants. However, no mention was made of the nature or identity of the second and similar SUV. It actually read like an obvious clumsy attempt at covering up the fact that military officers where the ones who had stollen the SUV. This news has now been deleted from all the media editions that carried it this morning.

 

[aegap]

..dictating where one works, and taking all, (as oppose to currently over-taxing) Productive Paul? ..dr1 effectively ran by the People's National Propaganda Department, lol?

I mean, we're complaining about how the Dominican government suck at educating those that depend on it for their education, and the solution would be to put them Dominican government in charge of educating EVERYONE? I mean, come on!

owning your current property?

 

[miguel]

Lo mismo le dire'!.....

My comment was ~why~ Chip00 left: he got tired about America bashing that mods seem to allow. I fully understand his perspective.

You can bloviate all you want. It's OK for reasonable men to disagree.

America bashing has NOTHING to do with the DR.

The DR has ONE basic problem that is the genesis of all others: too many people, not enough resources. That is a common problem throughout much of the world.

Cobraboy, perhaps you should tell those US bashers the same thing I tell Dominican bashers:

YOU DON'T LIKE THE COUNTRY AND IT'S POLICY, GET THE F*** OUT!!!!.

It's pretty easy, go live in a Third World country and let's see how fast your "policies"/views change!!.

Better yet, go to Cuba and complain to Fidel about his policies and let's see how far that will get you!.

Face it, whether you believe in the US policies or not, it's still the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE WORLD!.

Don't like it, go live in Sierra Leone or Calcutta!.

The let us know how you "like them apples!!".

See, easy!.

 

[aegap]

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[cobraboy]

This also happens in the local mainstream media. For example, this morning, most online editions of the local press carried a story about an incident last night in downtown Villa Altagracia. A shootout between police and the occupants of a black late model SUV. The report mentioned that the police were following a black late model SUV reported stollen, when and a similar black late model SUV crossed their path, ending in the shooting of the passenger and driver of the second SUV, which happened to be military officers. The report goes on th mention that the police later managed to recover the real stolen SUV and arrest their occupants. However, no mention was made of the nature or identity of the second and similar SUV. It actually read like an obvious clumsy attempt at covering up the fact that military officers where the ones who had stollen the SUV. This news has now been deleted from all the media editions that carried it this morning.

And your point is...?

The Dominican MSM doesn't tell the whole story?

You think the only place on the planet where the MSM chooses sides-for whatever reason-in the DR?

All I want to do is live my life in peace, take care of my loved ones, pay my taxes rendering unto Caesar, and have the government...any government...just leave me the hell alone.

 

[dv8]

i heve never been to USA and i look forward going there this year. don't like bush but what do i care, he's not my president or DR president.

i wanted to make "forget america, we are talking about DR" post but actually...

for poland, going out of communist was america inspired, not only in a sense that we wanted american lifestyle, coca-cola and cars for everyone but also because we wanted freedom. now, surely america bashers will say there is no freedom in USA, yes, i have read moore as well - but you have no comparison to "freedom" in communism....

yes, poland wanted to be america and poles love americans. i am sure just like be benefited from this american fascination so can DR, if dominicans look know where to look...

just to straighten up this whole contraception thing - it has nothing to do with beliefs, and i know what i am talking about, we have farmacia and i see how much birth control products we sell. all well to do dominican ladies i iknow who already have kids are sterilized, and they all go to church. only poor people breed but that is not because they do not know any better, this is because kids are their social security.

this is also where this country sucks - no social security. and imagine, with the birth ratio they have in here pensions would be pretty nice....

 

[candice]

What happened to the education thread? Am I really the one who is doing the bashing? I have studied research in education and I have learned that the USA has many gifted researchers and have some answers to improving the lives of future generations, globally. What I don't like is that this research is ignored, poverty and ignorance grow. Is saying this really USA bashing? Do we educate all or just the select few? Here or in the DR. Will people ever be willing to provide health and education without calling it a "wlfare or Socialist state". Education is important to a developed or developing nation equally. It is at least worth having a continuous thread without bashing people and their nation.

 

[A.Hidalgo]

this is also where this country sucks - no social security. and imagine, with the birth ratio they have in here pensions would be pretty nice....

Some call this socialized welfare....but it has worked pretty dam well in America. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, one of my heroes.

 

[cobraboy]

Of course education is extremely important. It is one of the primary predictors of personal success.

But education requires dillligence, dedication, maturity and delayed gratification. Those are traits that not everyone has, nor do many care to have or even think about.

Education is available for Dominicans. Is it the quality of a rich American or European suburb? I doubt it. But it IS available; parents just have to recognize it's important. THAT has to be changed.

My fiance is one of 14 siblings. They grew up in a very remote campo, Cerro Prieto. But when she was 11-and some siblings were older-their father recognized the importance of education and he knew it wasn't available in the way he wanted in the campo. So he stayed on the mountain and sent his family to Santiago where they all attended school, a requirement to be his child. The results are impressive: many degrees among them, dentists, successful businessmen, PUCMM instructors, clinic administrators, etc. Only 2 of the 14 didn't graduate from high school, an impressive number.

Many say the educational system in the US is broken, because so many, especially minorities, drop out very early and become virtual wards of the state. They, too, had access to education, but for whatever reason chose not to take it.

Should the DR spend more $$$ on education? Probably, but they are getting the exact amount of education spending the people want, or the people would DEMAND and GET more. I don't see virtual riots over the educational system like I do when beer prices go up. Heck, even here there is more angst over beer and rum price inflation than the educational system.

When the people want more of their government such as education, a fair judicial systen, better health services and more effective police, the results will show at the ballot box. But this is pretty much true anywhere in the "free" world.

I don't blame the government. I blame the people.

I miss Rick Snyder. The guy knew his stuff.

 

[cobraboy]

Some call this socialized welfare....but it has worked pretty dam well in America. Franklin Delano Roosevelt, one of my heroes.

Do you know what the unfunded liability is for US SS & Medicare?

FDR had a great idea, but demographics screwed the system.

 

[candice]

The days of F.D.R. are long gone. Social Welfare has turned into Corperate welfare. Does anyone know what financial pressure an educated population takes off of social programs such as medicare and the criminal justice system? If the USA wants to fund big corperation and allow them tax shelters while youth who are impoverished do not have safe schools they are asking for an increase in social service spending or at least an increase in security in gated and walled comunities. You know, bars on windows. Dominican Republic people are looking for ways to remove them while Americans are working to put them up.

 

[cobraboy]

The days of F.D.R. are long gone. Social Welfare has turned into Corperate welfare. Does anyone know what financial pressure an educated population takes off of social programs such as medicare and the criminal justice system? If the USA wants to fund big corperation and allow them tax shelters while youth who are impoverished do not have safe schools they are asking for an increase in social service spending or at least an increase in security in gated and walled comunities. You know, bars on windows. Dominican Republic people are looking for ways to remove them while Americans are working to put them up.

Perhaps you can be more specific on "corporate welfare", "fund corporations", and specifically what "big tax shelters" you're talking about that are responsible for the poor educational and social welfare system.

Besides, corporations don't pay taxes, not one.

So far I've read platitudes. Where is the meat?

You can't MAKE a kid go to school and learn. You can lead a horse to water...

 

[candice]

Cobraboy;
Corporate welfare is a term used to insult corporations who are very wealthy and yet get subsidised by the government. An example would be tax breaks. Some polititions beleive that by favouring the wealthy corporations that they will cause what is knowen as a "trickle Down effect", meaning that they will give more wages to their employees if they are accumilating too much wealth that they don't know what else to with.(LOL). Mr Tommy Douglas, a great canadian political figure first coined the term

 

[A.Hidalgo]

I know I threw something out there about FDR which was off topic and not DR related. For the sake of staying on topic I will not respond about Social Security and such.

Part of the educational problem in the DR is that by law, at least around 2000, 4 percent of GNP should have been invested in education. In reality the DR allocated only 2.1 percent translating into one of the lowest in the hemisphere. What good can come of a country that flaunts or ignores its own laws. Sad.