Travelling to Europe for Dominican citizens changes in 2024

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In what setting did they apply? Alone/as a family/couple etc. That would make a difference?

Straight from the German embassy:
"Si el/la solicitante no tiene suficiente solvencia económica, debe traer original y copia de la declaración formal de compromiso (“Verpflichtungserklärung”). La firma del que invita debe ser legalizada por la autoridad de extranjería en Alemania (en original y una copia)."

Please keep in mind that the above is when the sponsor is already in Europe and for 90 day visa. This has never been the case with us, so we just both showed up at the embassy, me proving income, case closed.
Unfortunately, not everyone has the same outcome. And most anyone that goes through any immigration process realizes that what works for one may not work for someone else. To answer your question, they traveled as a married couple. She gave her financial information, employment info, etc.. And he did the same.
 

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Unfortunately for many Dominican applicants, Spain simply has to adhere to the rules agreed within the EU and Schengen.
1 country cannot apply its own rules.
I don't think this request makes much of an impression.
Agreed. The same impression protesting countries make on the DR deporting Haitians: NONE.
 

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Unfortunately for many Dominican applicants, Spain simply has to adhere to the rules agreed within the EU and Schengen.
1 country cannot apply its own rules.
I fully agree, but then my question is: If what I quoted is the case, how come many people on this forum have stated either that Spanish consulate is difficult or French consulate is easy or something else?
 

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Looks like they have officially protested to the Spanish Consulate : https://dominicantoday.com/dr/local...treatment-of-dominicans-at-spanish-consulate/
The new Spanish consul is allegedly refusing most visa applications, even from applicants who are solvent and had Schengen visas before. The ones who are being granted visas, are being given just days. Even people with good government positions are complaining. Another complaint is the motive for refusals being generic, the one about not enough funds.
 
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I fully agree, but then my question is: If what I quoted is the case, how come many people on this forum have stated either that Spanish consulate is difficult or French consulate is easy or something else?
I suspect that for many countries these are “bonus” jobs with a lot of privileges. People that made their career through bureaucracy and not by customer service. They never seem willingly to help you out or offer different solutions. But this is my impression..
 

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I fully agree, but then my question is: If what I quoted is the case, how come many people on this forum have stated either that Spanish consulate is difficult or French consulate is easy or something else?
It seems arbitrary. And also whether you might cross the ocean at the invitation of someone who guarantees your stay & return. But there are also many examples here on the forum where this is not accepted. It remains difficult and seems to be a matter of luck.
 

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Unfortunately for many Dominican applicants, Spain simply has to adhere to the rules agreed within the EU and Schengen.
1 country cannot apply its own rules.
I don't think this request makes much of an impression.
Has nothing to do with the problem at the Spanish consulate. And yes they can create their own rules of how to process the applications, that's quite obvious with how the Spanish consulate process visa applications vs other countries embassies/consulates.
My wife has applied several times and thankfully always been granted, perhaps because first time was almost 12 years ago and it's become increasingly more difficult over the years. I'm pretty sure if she would have had her first visa application today, she would most like be rejected. However, my wife's nieces who went and visited their dad in Denmark, and had to apply through the French embassy, they had no issues at all. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Spanish consulate is using a 3rd party to process the applications whilst the French does not use any outside party to do that, perhaps because less people are applying through French vs Spanish consulate.
Anyways can testify that the Spanish embassy is sh** compared to other. And each country has the right to decide for themselves who enters and not even though it's a so called union...
 
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Anyways can testify that the Spanish embassy is sh** compared to other. And each country has the right to decide for themselves who enters and not even though it's a so called union...
I agree with you for the most part, and think you're absolutely right earlier requests has been granted in the far past.

The reality in 2024 (looking at, for example, the Netherlands, who's also using 3-rd party as I recently understood) is different and you are 'just' bound by the international treaties. If you join in, you give up part of your sovereignty.
 

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I agree with you for the most part, and think you're absolutely right earlier requests has been granted in the far past.

The reality in 2024 (looking at, for example, the Netherlands, who's also using 3-rd party as I recently understood) is different and you are 'just' bound by the international treaties. If you join in, you give up part of your sovereignty.
Officially the Schengen and/or EU countries are bound by the rules.
But..there are countries that just go their own way.
Malta, selling passports for one million euros. Hungary letting in Russians and refusing to accept refugees.
In my business I have some subcontractors, from Mongolia (extreme good and hard workers by the way), all came in through Hungary..paying for their residency.
Same is happening in Rumania with Moldavians, even easier as they speak the same language.
 

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The reality in 2024 (looking at, for example, the Netherlands, who's also using 3-rd party as I recently understood) is different and you are 'just' bound by the international treaties. If you join in, you give up part of your sovereignty.
I think the actual Dutch embassy (not the VAC, which is with VFS at Ave. John F. Kennedy + Ortega y Gasset) in Santo Domingo has not processed visa applications for a few years, as we've been there for a few times as it represents my country in Scandinavia as well and the whole customer service area of the embassy is really tiny. The service is outstanding though. I have also never seen anyone there...

I'm not sure I agree with your comment on giving up of your sovereignty though, as regardless of what one Schengen country imposes as requirements, the borders are (almost, now Germany is actually controlling it's borders) open within the area. And having visited the Netherlands and having worked with countless Dutch people, I'd be more than happy to allow same people in my country as the Netherlands allows in theirs...
 
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Unfortunately for many Dominican applicants, Spain simply has to adhere to the rules agreed within the EU and Schengen.
1 country cannot apply its own rules.
I don't think this request makes much of an impression.
A visa is a privilege and I get that. After previously having a three-month visa, then the six-month, and one year Schengen, I have a two year one, which I got last year. That is sort of what´s considered a normal progression for someone who has used their visa correctly. What has been going on with the new consul is that, out of the blue, people who can show solvency, have businesses , who have traveled for a long time, have had multiple Schengen visas, haven't overstayed, you name it, are either getting denials or just days. I do think there is something unusual going on. Also there are people who have had denials with the Spanish Embassy have gotten it approved with other Schengen countries, like France.
 
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I am glad to get the heads up that visiting Spain is very unlikely at this time. My wife was considering a trip there to visit a cousin and with all the work needed to do that, and this new information, it is simply not worth the effort. An agency in Puerto Plata did mention that France was much easier for some reason.

Going to South America and the USA for vacations is far easier for us since she already has a US 10 year visitor's visa and that opens up almost all of South America for her, including Chile whereas other Dominicans without a USA or Schengen visa would need a visa now to visit Chile.
 

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For anyone that believes all Schengen Embassies have the same policies I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Same as a bank in any country works on accounts. Some easy, some impossible..........
 

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A visa is a privilege and I get that. After previously having a three-month visa, then the six-month, and one year Schengen, I have a two year one, which I got last year. That is sort of what´s considered a normal progression for someone who has used their visa correctly.
Not sure if you are talking about the Spanish embassy in particular, but all my wife has ever had was either a 3-month visa or 5 year residency card handed over in the EU end, nothing in between... During the pandemic though, we had to do a quick pit-stop in Frankfurt to renew my passport, at which time the pandemic was at it's peak and she was given a visa for exactly 13 days, the length of our trip. And that only because they knew our itinerary. Otherwise it has always been 3 months straight.
 

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The new Spanish consul is allegedly refusing most visa applications, even from applicants who are solvent and had Schengen visas before. The ones who are being granted visas, are being given just days. Even people with good government positions are complaining. Another complaint is the motive for refusals being generic, the one about not enough funds.
this is true. we know this. Their office treatment is the worst you can ever imagine. they treat dominicans like dogs.
 

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So why doesn't Colombians, Venezuelans or Peruvians need a Visa? I don't think that citizens from those countries have less interest in leaving their home country than Dominicans.
Those who have enough money to leave normally wants to stay in the DR, and those who don't, normally don't have enough money to pay for the trip. And I don't believe that it would make any difference, those who are determined to leave DR and live illegally somewhere else will find the way with or without Visa requirements, it only "hurts" the rest of us who has to take those additional costs and steps to be able to take our families abroad.
Good question. I suspect the group that wants to migrate would be Venezuelans and not so much Colombians or Peruvians.
If Venezuelans remain in the EU in large numbers, then that visa free travel to the EU might change. How many that want to stay can afford the flight?

Dominicans get penalized because of the fact that many get visas to vist and don't go back home. I could not even get my wife a
visa to the USA until she had legal residency and then turned that in for a visitor's visa.
I was told it was impossible any other way for her being married to me. This was told to me by embassy personnel.

And so it goes.
 
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apparently you can only get visa if you use lawyers $15,000 pesos. gee do you think someone in the embassy gets a kickback?? what do you think? let me see 50 a day x 7000= 350,000 a day.
 
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