I can see there is one poster who is not aware of what happens frequently. Oh well, for some people, there is no convincing them.
Don't get too much into a knot about it. It's becoming apparent to me at least that that issue is a much bigger issue in the minds of some expats than it is in real life. Hopefully I'm wrong, but it sure doesn't seem like it.Another case of someone throwing shade and providing support to criminals just because.!!!! I work and live here ( I doubt you do) and am from Africa as well. I will not be duped by the "oh the poor unfortunate Haitian" scam. Haitians are not randomly beaten and if they walk around Sosua at night monger bar hopping they do indeed get arrested just like the Dominican chicas as they have been warned countless times. I suggest some start a go fund me page and take up a collection for the drug mules. If they break 20 dollars I will build you a watch
??? you mean with people transporting a brick of drugsI can see there is one poster who is not aware of what happens frequently. Oh well, for some people, there is no convincing them.
Simply not worth a reply. At least in my opinion.??? you mean with people transporting a brick of drugs
I don’t discount what Lindsey said. It depends what part of DR you are in. There are areas that are actually predominantly Haitian, and I doubt there are issues in those places. Profiling has been alive and well for centuries around the world.What I don't understand is: Down the street from me there are two very substantial projets under construction. At 7:45 am dozens of worker walk to the job. Work day all day. Lunch wagon comes in (the back of a car). They work until about 5. Without a doubt in my mind they are Haitians. They live within-in about a 12 minute walk and I have never seen them involved with the police. In fact the police are nearby just about every day. One projct is across the street from a bank. The other is a 20 story tower a block away fom the bank.
If profiling and beatings are so prevalent (and I am not saying they are not) why then the scenario I described above is not the norm?
Most of the police everywhere in the DR are from el Sur (San Cristóbal, Azua, Barahona, etc). Whether they are in Samana, Punta Cana, Sosúa or Santiago it makes no difference. Very few are from the towns (or even region) they patrol.I don’t discount what Lindsey said. It depends what part of DR you are in. There are areas that are actually predominantly Haitian, and I doubt there are issues in those places. Profiling has been alive and well for centuries around the world.
Well, I still don't get it. I don't live in a predominately Haitian area. I live in Juan Dolio and Santo Domingo. My references stated earlier are related to Juan Dolio. I too don't discount what Lindsey has said. But why have I not seen this practice in my area?I don’t discount what Lindsey said. It depends what part of DR you are in. There are areas that are actually predominantly Haitian, and I doubt there are issues in those places. Profiling has been alive and well for centuries around the world.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that these particular Haitian workers are not being harassed precisely because they are working on these "substantial projects".What I don't understand is: Down the street from me there are two very substantial projets under construction. At 7:45 am dozens of worker walk to the job. Work day all day. Lunch wagon comes in (the back of a car). They work until about 5. Without a doubt in my mind they are Haitians. They live within-in about a 12 minute walk and I have never seen them involved with the police. In fact the police are nearby just about every day. One projct is across the street from a bank. The other is a 20 story tower a block away fom the bank.
If profiling and beatings are so prevalent (and I am not saying they are not) why then the scenario I described above is not the norm?
Bingo! I didn't want to say that but I don't have a doubt in my mind that is the truth. These are mega projects. The police are standing across the street from a 100 workers every day of the week.Nary a word or action takes place at those sites.I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that these particular Haitian workers are not being harassed precisely because they are working on these "substantial projects".
It would not be in the interest of the police to antagonize the Dominican owners of the projects in question by interfering with "their workers".
Bullies never bully those who have the means to fight back.
Bullies are cowards by nature.
They go for the low hanging fruit.
They only attack when the odds of winning are in their favor.
Who needs a rich Dominican businessman on their case for interrupting their work schedule?
Are you Haitian?Years ago I was pulled over by some " special" police in Santiago.
Long story short I drove on a few kms to stop in front of a national supermarket--- well told insistently by my wife -----. and the guys were clearly suspicious characters and were going to find drugs in my SUV--- pulled out from their pockets, of course.
They got an earful from my better half who was filming and on the phone with a lawyer friend. They clearly were not ready for it, thinking we were easy gringo prey.
Do I think security forces would set you up to Hussle a couple of hundred $ from you ???? Nooooo, never.
Criminal profiling is a valuable tool in the hands of honest law enforcement.Since the topic is about some drug dealers/mules from the states being arrested I will stay with that topic. Guess whoever profiled them should get a bonus. Yes we ALL absolutely get profiled. That's why people that dress appropriately get better service at restaurants, better jobs etc. A police officer here knows what he is looking for. A criminal , a payoff at a traffic stop etc. Yes profiling is alive and well. Thankfully !!
Lemme guess , each time it happens you go to Western Union to help her out of her jam ?That is absolutely bull poopy. My girlfriend is of Haitian heritage,black skin,typical Haitian facial features. Born and raised in the DR,has a Dominican cedula,by law she is a legal Dominican citizen speaks perfect spanish,has never been to Haiti and doesn't speak a word of creyol,doesn't dress or act like a puta yet can't walk alone in Sosua without the fear of being picked up and held overnight in jail,which has happened to her three times already. The one and only reason she has gotten hauled off to jail is because she "looks" Haitian.
Drug mules are DRUG Mules .. they LIE , 99 % of the time ... ANY COP can explain this to you .. from Decades of Experience .Simply not worth a reply. At least in my opinion.
I realize I now have to state that things are my opinion regardless of what I personally know since I must respect the opinions of others even when I know their opinion is incorrect. Lindsay Kaufman and Mountain Annie are two of the most honest, truthful and respected people on this forum with far more experience than my on this point. My opinion coincides with theirs and not one of the others on this forum on this topic.
Years ago I was pulled over by some " special" police in Santiago.
Long story short I drove on a few kms to stop in front of a national supermarket--- well told insistently by my wife -----. and the guys were clearly suspicious characters and were going to find drugs in my SUV--- pulled out from their pockets, of course.
They got an earful from my better half who was filming and on the phone with a lawyer friend. They clearly were not ready for it, thinking we were easy gringo prey.
Do I think security forces would set you up to Hussle a couple of hundred $ from you ???? Nooooo, never.
Well, I still don't get it. I don't live in a predominately Haitian area. I live in Juan Dolio and Santo Domingo. My references stated earlier are related to Juan Dolio. I too don't discount what Lindsey has said. But why have I not seen this practice in my area?
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that these particular Haitian workers are not being harassed precisely because they are working on these "substantial projects".
It would not be in the interest of the police to antagonize the Dominican owners of the projects in question by interfering with "their workers".
Bullies never bully those who have the means to fight back.
Bullies are cowards by nature.
They go for the low hanging fruit.
They only attack when the odds of winning are in their favor.
Who needs a rich Dominican businessman on their case for interrupting their work schedule?