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Argentina says without a doubt Gonzalez triumphed in Venezuela​

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Buenos Aires (EFE).- Argentina has confirmed "without a doubt" the victory of candidate Edmundo González, an opponent of the government of Nicolás Maduro, who was officially declared the winner of the elections held in Venezuela on July 28, official sources reported on Friday.
Argentine Minister of Foreign Affairs, International Trade and Worship, Diana Mondino, posted a message on her social media account X in which, in addition to sharing the link to follow the electoral records published by the Venezuelan opposition, she indicated: “We can all confirm, without a doubt, that the legitimate winner and President-elect is Edmundo González.”
In addition, at his usual press conference at Casa Rosada (headquarters of the Argentine Government), presidential spokesman Manuel Adorni said that it is “difficult” to know how the crisis in Venezuela will be resolved “in the presence of a dictator” and “based on the obvious, which is that the dictator Maduro effectively lost the elections and the voting records never appeared.”
"The international community, for the most part, will come to terms with the fact that it was all a huge fraud and that dictator Maduro must step down from power and give way, once and for all, to democratic actions and to what the Venezuelan people want, which is to live in peace and democracy," said Adorni.
He said that Argentina does not need "any type of coordination" with other countries in the region to recognize Gonzalez's victory.
He claims that Maduro is a dictator
Adorni reiterated that the position of Javier Milei's government is "clear" regarding the fact that "Maduro is a dictator" who "falsified electoral data in an extremely obvious way."
Regarding the possible outcome of this conflict, the spokesman said that “it is an extremely sensitive issue.”
"There cannot be a dictator in the world governing a people. (…) It is a dictatorial government that the Venezuelan people decided to reject and the dictator Maduro has to step aside," he said.
Argentina is awaiting the arrival of its embassy staff in Venezuela in the early hours of Saturday, after its expulsion - and that of representatives from six other countries in the region - by the government of Nicolás Maduro in rejection of its "interventionist actions and statements" regarding the presidential elections.


 
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How do people know Maduro lost with like 95% confidence? I would bet that the polling places were restricted to foreigners. I don't trust Maduro either, but it seems like the nations and the media are just following the lead muppet.
 

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It's funny how some wanna portray Maduro as this dictator murderer who kills or jails anyone who opposes him and yet Maria Corina Machado and Edmundo González are walking around free? If he was as the West wants to portray him, those two would've died in cars accidents a long time ago.
 

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There are a ton of Venezuelans living here in Santiago.
I stood next to a Venezuelan couple in line at the bank this morning for several minutes. Many of the Dominicans in line were chatting with them once thet saw they were Venezuelans. Both said openly they believe Maduro should be arrested and tried for human rights abuse and murder.
I don't think the Scandinavian socialist utopias (FF1 was speaking about) share the country with fellow citizens who feel this way about their leader.
 

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Here is the collection of data they were able to retrieve from the receipts of a certain amount of voting machines
66% to 31% .. .. this is what a Real Landslide looks like .. So this is not some 51 49 % cheating .. this is MASSIVE Voter Fraud ..
but then , this is their country .. lets see what they do.
 

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It's funny how some wanna portray Maduro as this dictator murderer who kills or jails anyone who opposes him and yet Maria Corina Machado and Edmundo González are walking around free? If he was as the West wants to portray him, those two would've died in cars accidents a long time ago.
10 million Venezuelans have feld the country in the last 10 years, that is what is known as a "clue".
 

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10 million Venezuelans have feld the country in the last 10 years, that is what is known as a "clue".


I do get what he is saying though... Why are these guys still alive ? I'm Sure Maduro could have found a Sniper who does not miss.
Or maybe he does not want to face a Firing squad himself, if and when its blows up which it seems to be doing.

It is a very Valid question though.

Is the USA involved ? , CIA operation of some kind .
The Prize .. 300 Billion Barrels of Oil , biggest reserves on the Planet .
So we cant say there is not enough Motive to put on such a massive Charade.
Destabilize the Govt .. come in and take over
ANY theory is a Plausible

but yes. People dont Flee their Homeland, unless they are Starving ,quite literally .
 

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10 million Venezuelans have feld the country in the last 10 years, that is what is known as a "clue".
Dominicans dying in yolas trying to reach PR, what clue is that? There are 30 million Venezuelans and 10 million Dominicans, yet in the US Dominican immigrants outnumber Venezuelans 3 to 1, so what clue is that? Abi is a dictator worse than Maduro?
 

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Is the USA involved ? , CIA operation of some kind .
The Prize .. 300 Billion Barrels of Oil , biggest reserves on the Planet .
There's some real dictatorships around the World, but either they don't have any natural resources or they gave them up in exchange for staying in power, so no "spreading democracy" there.
 

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Dominicans dying in yolas trying to reach PR, what clue is that? There are 30 million Venezuelans and 10 million Dominicans, yet in the US Dominican immigrants outnumber Venezuelans 3 to 1, so what clue is that? Abi is a dictator worse than Maduro?
Apples and Oranges .
Dominicans come to the US for a better Life, and yes some come here for the FreeBees ..
Many already have Families here, and they come here LEGALLY because someone Sponsored them .
This is actually the most Legit Form of Immigration.

Venezuelans OTOH, they are fleeing, and entering the USA or other countries by any means necessary.
NOT Legal immigration.

One has literally nothing to do with the other .
 

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Apples and Oranges .
Dominicans come to the US for a better Life, and yes some come here for the FreeBees ..
Many already have Families here, and they come here LEGALLY because someone Sponsored them .
This is actually the most Legit Form of Immigration.

Venezuelans OTOH, they are fleeing, and entering the USA or other countries by any means necessary.
NOT Legal immigration.

One has literally nothing to do with the other .
"La vuelta es México" is legal? Didn't know that. Yolas to PR is legal? Didn't know that.
 
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"La vuelta es México" is legal? Didn't know that. Yolas to PR is legal? Didn't know that.
What percentage of Total Dominican Immigrants are those ?
Unless you can cite a Source with percentages, I will go with what I have seen with my own Eyes, and we have a HUGE Dominican Population in NYC
Most have come here Legally, period
In fact I see more cases of People who already had Family here, and still had to go through the long paperwork Process to be sponsored.
I dont know a Single Dominican Personally who slipped through the Border.


OTOH, I have met literally DOZENS perhaps a HUNDRED Venezuelans who are here Illegally .
NYC, you can meet THOUSANDS . any day of the week.

Maybe you have not been near this Reality , to truly grasp it ..