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It is difficult to debate issues with someone who enjoys complete freedom yet supports a violent regime that jails journalist and commits extrajudicial killings. May I suggest you not visit Caracas. With a man bun hair style, hippie sandals and an unkempt appearance one might be mistaken for a journalist and be jailed.I cannot undo what decades of CNN/Fox brainwashing has done, so...
An interesting discussion (in Spanish) of what has lead to the current situation in Venezuela and its impacts on. Odern Venezuelans.
At 52:30 he mentions that the Venezuelan exodus is the greatest in history, but that is if we ignore that Dominicans have been in a much worse situation. The Dominican population lost 2/3rds in a matter of a handful of years largely due to the Haitian invasions, particularly Dessalines. Some massacred, most fled to Puerto Rico, Cuba, and Venezuela (ironically).
In order for Venezuela to even begin to get an idea of what this was like, it would have to lose at least 20 million in a handful of years, which would equal to 2/3rds of its population in 2015 when the Venezuelan exodus began. Venezuela would have to empty itself of people. Then those that remain would have to hide in the forests and the mountains in fear of their lives, Then when they came out of their hiding places, witness that most of the towns have been reduced to rubble by the invaders and even in the campos all the homes near their marching trails were pillaged and burned, domestic aninals either stolen or killed for no reason, and all the crops in the conucos fully destroyed. All records of who owns what, birth and death records, baptisms, matrimonies, etc all up in smoke.
While that would make Venezuela feel much closer to what Dominicans went through, it will not quite be the same. One, the time frame. Already more years have gone by since the Venezuelan exodus started vs the Dominican one. Second, the mess created in Venezuela was done by Venezuelans, but Dominicans had to live through that because of foreigners on both sides since the Dominicans were not in control of their territory, it was the French on one side and the Haitians on the other.
Venezuela’s exodus might be the “greatest in history,” but it isn’t as traumatic as was the Dominican one. To add salt to injury, one caused by themselved (different political factions, but all Venezuelans) while the other inflicted on them by foreigners that nobody invited to begin with.
At 52:30 he mentions that the Venezuelan exodus is the greatest in history, but that is if we ignore that Dominicans have been in a much worse situation. The Dominican population lost 2/3rds in a matter of a handful of years largely due to the Haitian invasions, particularly Dessalines. Some massacred, most fled to Puerto Rico, Cuba, and Venezuela (ironically).
In order for Venezuela to even begin to get an idea of what this was like, it would have to lose at least 20 million in a handful of years, which would equal to 2/3rds of its population in 2015 when the Venezuelan exodus began. Venezuela would have to empty itself of people. Then those that remain would have to hide in the forests and the mountains in fear of their lives, Then when they came out of their hiding places, witness that most of the towns have been reduced to rubble by the invaders and even in the campos all the homes near their marching trails were pillaged and burned, domestic aninals either stolen or killed for no reason, and all the crops in the conucos fully destroyed. All records of who owns what, birth and death records, baptisms, matrimonies, etc all up in smoke.
While that would make Venezuela feel much closer to what Dominicans went through, it will not quite be the same. One, the time frame. Already more years have gone by since the Venezuelan exodus started vs the Dominican one. Second, the mess created in Venezuela was done by Venezuelans, but Dominicans had to live through that because of foreigners on both sides since the Dominicans were not in control of their territory, it was the French on one side and the Haitians on the other.
Venezuela’s exodus might be the “greatest in history,” but it isn’t as traumatic as was the Dominican one. To add salt to injury, one caused by themselved (different political factions, but all Venezuelans) while the other inflicted on them by foreigners that nobody invited to begin with.
Scandinavian countries have strong capitalist systems that allow them to have supportive social welfare programs. They are not socialist countries. Have you even talked to any Venezuelans that have left? I have and it isn't any economic embargo that caused them to leave. Cuba like to use the embargo excuse for the horrible way they treat Cubans. My Cuban SIL and family will strongly disagree with you about the effect of the embargo.
You sound pretty brainwashed yourself.I cannot undo what decades of CNN/Fox brainwashing has done, so...
A ‘fake, fabricated result’: Questions swirl around Venezuela’s election
The two leading candidates in Venezuela’s presidential race both declared victory, leading to uncertainty and protest.
US recognizes opposition candidate González as the winner of Venezuela's presidential election
The stakes have grown higher for Venezuela’s electoral authority to show proof backing its decision to declare President Nicolás Maduro the winner of the country’s presidential election after the United States recognized opposition candidate Edmundo González as the victor, discrediting the official
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Venezuelans and Dominicans in Santiago
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thanks, I am not super in proficient connecting linksA ‘fake, fabricated result’: Questions swirl around Venezuela’s election
The two leading candidates in Venezuela’s presidential race both declared victory, leading to uncertainty and protest.www.aljazeera.com
That’s for sure, the world’s eyes are on Venezuela. Meanwhile, more plane loads of Cubans have arrived
Do they recognize Guaidó as the vice-president? 😂😂😂