Waiting for Kenyans to arrive?

[playacaribe2]

All I’ve heard from media sources so far, is the joint intervention forces have secured the port and airport areas. No mention of any resistance from the gangs. I see the establishment of law and order in the capitol as a necessary first step to allow the intervention forces to expand their operation into the suburban and rural areas. I’m amazed at how low key, media wise, the intervention has been since the arrival of the Kenyans. If they‘re smart, they will yield to the expertise of the Haitian police and function under their command.

The bravado of the gang leaders like Jimmy BBQ appears to be bluster at this point. Maybe the perceived bad ass reputation of the Kenyans had its desired effect without the need for excessive violence.

Calm before the storm.

This appears to be classic assess the capabilities (strengths/weaknesses) of the enemy and then formulate a plan.

Taking something may be easy if the enemy purposefully lets you. Holding onto it is another story.

I do hope I am wrong, but this will get worse long before it gets better.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[johne]

Calm before the storm.

This appears to be classic assess the capabilities (strengths/weaknesses) of the enemy and then formulate a plan.

Taking something may be easy if the enemy purposefully lets you. Holding onto it is another story.

I do hope I am wrong, but this will get worse long before it gets better.


Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Re: Taking something. At this point the most valuable asset Haiti offers is the opportunity for various organizations to "take" hundreds of millions of dollars in the form of aid. What is at stake here, and has been forever, is the constant stream of aid that flows into the country with no other return other than humanitarian assistance and "possible" beneficial position in the for the US in that area of the world.
I'm afraid there is no incentive for the people in power now, or in the next generation of the Haitian people, for that aid to be used for anything more than again line the pockets of those in charge. I also believe the BBQ is used and supported by the same people that say they want him removed.
What's happening now, IMO, is this is the same ole playbook as many times before. Actors playing the same parts of the script,,,just different faces.At stake is 500 million and that is just for starters. Kinda of a deposit. Power people will do all they can so as to milk that Haitian cow.
What will change that?
Possibly a change in US policies. Stay tuned.

 

[MoJoInDR]

...What is at stake here, and has been forever, is the constant stream of aid that flows into the country with no other return other than humanitarian assistance and "possible" beneficial position in the for the US in that area of the world...

...What will change that?...

Two $64,000 questions.

The first thing that needs to be clear is that no one will get a $500-million check in their hands... Nor cash, or gold, or even bitcoin... That's not how it works... Now, some may get a bit of cash transferred to a special account as a pay-off for cooperating/encouraging/allowing/etc something to take place, but that pay-off isn't going to be $500 million.

The $500 million is just a figure to get attention... It is a figure that gets thrown out into the public as a prop for the purpose of misdirecting the public... Like a prop that a magician uses.

The second thing is... "...BlackRock Inc, the largest asset manager in the world, has confirmed a $1.7 trillion loss in the first half of 2022 as rife inflation and recession eat through financial markets... On the back of tremendous success, becoming the first firm to hit $10 trillion under management (in Q4 2021), BlackRock has revealed outrageous losses for the first six months of 2022."

It takes 1,000 billion to make a trillion... That's a lot of coin... Has Haiti received $1,000 billion in aid over its 200+year history?... An investment company lost almost two trillion in just six months.

Think about it... What is money?... Really... What is money?

Money is any item/medium of exchange that represents perceived (contrived) value. On this DR1 website, there's a thread on the exchange rate of the DR currency. It goes up in value... It goes down in value... And most of human society doesn't give it the time of day.

I knew two people who traded in currencies... It's very high-risk trading, but both made a lot of money... One ends up in prison, the other lives the life people dream of.

So... Is it the seemingly unending "...constant stream of aid that flows into the country with no other return other than humanitarian assistance and "possible" beneficial position for the US in that area of the world..." that's at stake?

Meaning... Is Haiti a money laundering operation for the US?

Does the US need Haiti to be/remain "...the poorest country in the Latin America and the Caribbean (LAC) region and among the poorest countries in the world..."?

This would be interesting, given that on one Caribbean island there is a US simled-upon, seemingly successful country, the Dominican Republic... And... The most unsuccessful country... Haiti.

Over the decades I never gave the DR much thought. But when my wife suggested retiring to the DR and I began to look more closely at it I started to see how interesting it was/is... Especially in relation to Haiti, which, my wife being Haitian, I had given thought to for many years... And there is no doubt that the two nations are inseparably intertwined.

Shoot... Even as the economy of the DR has rapidly been going up over the last few years, the economy of Haiti has been rapidly going down... Almost like a seesaw.

So what changed in the DR... What has brought about economic success?

Leadership.

And the same goes for Haiti... Or any other country for that matter... See Singapore and Botswana as examples.

Oil flows down from the head to the feet.

So... Regarding Haiti and its situation... What will change that?

Leadership.

But who decides what type of leadership is placed in power?

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-haiti-coup/

 

[playacaribe2]

Two $64,000 questions.

The first thing that needs to be clear is that no one will get a $500-million check in their hands... Nor cash, or gold, or even bitcoin... That's not how it works... Now, some may get a bit of cash transferred to a special account as a pay-off for cooperating/encouraging/allowing/etc something to take place, but that pay-off isn't going to be $500 million.

The $500 million is just a figure to get attention... It is a figure that gets thrown out into the public as a prop for the purpose of misdirecting the public... Like a prop that a magician uses.

Whatever the figure, it is going into a black hole.

The second thing is... "...BlackRock Inc, the largest asset manager in the world, has confirmed a $1.7 trillion loss in the first half of 2022 as rife inflation and recession eat through financial markets... On the back of tremendous success, becoming the first firm to hit $10 trillion under management (in Q4 2021), BlackRock has revealed outrageous losses for the first six months of 2022."

It takes 1,000 billion to make a trillion... That's a lot of coin... Has Haiti received $1,000 billion in aid over its 200+year history?... An investment company lost almost two trillion in just six months.

Think about it... What is money?... Really... What is money?

Money is any item/medium of exchange that represents perceived (contrived) value. On this DR1 website, there's a thread on the exchange rate of the DR currency. It goes up in value... It goes down in value... And most of human society doesn't give it the time of day.

I knew two people who traded in currencies... It's very high-risk trading, but both made a lot of money... One ends up in prison, the other lives the life people dream of.

What this has to do with Haiti is quite irrelevant. But for purposes of discussion, that loss was not "lost" money per se (like Haiti), but the result of both redemptions by clients and market declines.

So... Is it the seemingly unending "...constant stream of aid that flows into the country with no other return other than humanitarian assistance and "possible" beneficial position for the US in that area of the world..." that's at stake?

Meaning... Is Haiti a money laundering operation for the US?

Does the US need Haiti to be/remain "...the poorest country in the Latin America and the Caribbean (LAC) region and among the poorest countries in the world..."?

This would be interesting, given that on one Caribbean island there is a US simled-upon, seemingly successful country, the Dominican Republic... And... The most unsuccessful country... Haiti.

Over the decades I never gave the DR much thought. But when my wife suggested retiring to the DR and I began to look more closely at it I started to see how interesting it was/is... Especially in relation to Haiti, which, my wife being Haitian, I had given thought to for many years... And there is no doubt that the two nations are inseparably intertwined.

Shoot... Even as the economy of the DR has rapidly been going up over the last few years, the economy of Haiti has been rapidly going down... Almost like a seesaw.

So what changed in the DR... What has brought about economic success?

Leadership.

And the same goes for Haiti... Or any other country for that matter... See Singapore and Botswana as examples.

Oil flows down from the head to the feet.

So... Regarding Haiti and its situation... What will change that?

Leadership.

But who decides what type of leadership is placed in power?

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-haiti-coup/

I will repeat and reaver that Haiti will not, and cannot, come out of its seemingly endless downward spiral until at least 2121.....the time it will take after the next upheaval/civil war/authoritarian dictator has run its course.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

 

[MoJoInDR]

Whatever the figure, it is going into a black hole.

What this has to do with Haiti is quite irrelevant. But for purposes of discussion, that loss was not "lost" money per se (like Haiti), but the result of both redemptions by clients and market declines.

I will repeat and reaver that Haiti will not, and cannot, come out of its seemingly endless downward spiral until at least 2121.....the time it will take after the next upheaval/civil war/authoritarian dictator has run its course.

Respectfully,
Playacaribe2

Re. going into a black hole... In relation to possible laundering... Sure... But in relation to Haiti... Not in the slightest.

Re. Blackrock loss... The general public was oblivious to such an immense money event... Much like the general public has been with Haiti... Albeit, Haiti is a far smaller money event... And "...market declines..." is "...lost..." money.

Re. Your opinion on "...Haiti will not, and cannot, come out of its seemingly endless downward spiral until at least 2121..."... You're already being proven wrong. Try and understand this... Because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not already there... Back in the 1940s, Israel was, in my father's opinion, a God-forsaken land...

And then...

"From 1950 until 1965, Israel achieved a high rate of growth: Real GNP (gross national product) grew by an average annual rate of over 11 percent, and per capita GNP by greater than 6 percent. What made this possible? Israel was fortunate in receiving large sums of capital inflows: U.S. aid in the forms of unilateral transfers and loans, German reparations and restitutions to individuals, sale of State of Israel Bonds abroad, and unilateral transfers to public institutions, mainly the Jewish Agency, which retained responsibility for immigration absorption and agricultural settlement. Thus, Israel had resources available for domestic use – for public and private consumption and investment – about 25 percent more than its own GNP. This made possible a massive investment program, mainly financed through a special government budget. Both the enormity of needs and the socialist philosophy of the main political party in the government coalitions led to extreme government intervention in the economy. . . . Governmental budgets and strong protectionist measures to foster import-substitution enabled the development of new industries, chief among them textiles and subsidies were given to help the development of exports, additional to the traditional exports of citrus products and cut diamonds."

Thankfully, as was exposed with my father's view of Israel, the opinions of individuals mean nothing in the larger picture of reality.

Again...

Leadership... And its ability to change things in far shorter time than a hundred years.

 

[keepcoming]

This thread is about "Waiting for the Kenyans to arrive in Haiti" not Israel or anywhere else.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Re. going into a black hole... In relation to possible laundering... Sure... But in relation to Haiti... Not in the slightest.

Re. Blackrock loss... The general public was oblivious to such an immense money event... Much like the general public has been with Haiti... Albeit, Haiti is a far smaller money event... And "...market declines..." is "...lost..." money.

Re. Your opinion on "...Haiti will not, and cannot, come out of its seemingly endless downward spiral until at least 2121..."... You're already being proven wrong. Try and understand this... Because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not already there... Back in the 1940s, Israel was, in my father's opinion, a God-forsaken land...

And then...

"From 1950 until 1965, Israel achieved a high rate of growth: Real GNP (gross national product) grew by an average annual rate of over 11 percent, and per capita GNP by greater than 6 percent. What made this possible? Israel was fortunate in receiving large sums of capital inflows: U.S. aid in the forms of unilateral transfers and loans, German reparations and restitutions to individuals, sale of State of Israel Bonds abroad, and unilateral transfers to public institutions, mainly the Jewish Agency, which retained responsibility for immigration absorption and agricultural settlement. Thus, Israel had resources available for domestic use – for public and private consumption and investment – about 25 percent more than its own GNP. This made possible a massive investment program, mainly financed through a special government budget. Both the enormity of needs and the socialist philosophy of the main political party in the government coalitions led to extreme government intervention in the economy. . . . Governmental budgets and strong protectionist measures to foster import-substitution enabled the development of new industries, chief among them textiles and subsidies were given to help the development of exports, additional to the traditional exports of citrus products and cut diamonds."

Thankfully, as was exposed with my father's view of Israel, the opinions of individuals mean nothing in the larger picture of reality.

Again...

Leadership... And its ability to change things in far shorter time than a hundred years.

 

[MoJoInDR]

This thread is about "Waiting for the Kenyans to arrive in Haiti" not Israel or anywhere else.

And in this thread is a discussion that took a turn into the matter of "......Haiti will not, and cannot, come out of its seemingly endless downward spiral until at least 2121...".

It is just normal in the course of a conversation for an example to be used of how what was said could not happen in Haiti, has actually happened in other countries... Which kept Haiti, and the Kenyans who have arrived for the purpose of helping Haiti get out of it's negative situation, as the context of what I said.

Nothing in my comment encouraged further discussion on "...Israel or anywhere else..."... The context was made with my point that countries that have experienced a downward spiral have pulled out of it in far less time than a hundred year span... And the same can happen in Haiti.

Again... The context wasn't "...Israel or anywhere else..."... The context was historical facts proved that a country in a downward spiral, such as Haiti is experiencing, can pull itself out of it sooner than was suggested.

Hope the above clarifies the content of my comment.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

And in this thread is a discussion that took a turn into the matter of "......Haiti will not, and cannot, come out of its seemingly endless downward spiral until at least 2121...".

It is just normal in the course of a conversation for an example to be used of how what was said could not happen in Haiti, has actually happened in other countries... Which kept Haiti, and the Kenyans who have arrived for the purpose of helping Haiti get out of it's negative situation, as the context of what I said.

Nothing in my comment encouraged further discussion on "...Israel or anywhere else..."... The context was made with my point that countries that have experienced a downward spiral have pulled out of it in far less time than a hundred year span... And the same can happen in Haiti.

Again... The context wasn't "...Israel or anywhere else..."... The context was historical facts proved that a country in a downward spiral, such as Haiti is experiencing, can pull itself out of it sooner than was suggested.

Hope the above clarifies the content of my comment.

 

[Sloan]

Without addressing the entities that profit from chaos and lawlessness, no progress will be made. The best way to restablish order in Haiti is the take out the individuals causing the chaos on the ground and to confront the individuals causing economic chaos in the boardrooms. To do the former you simply need good men with guns. To do the latter you need experts in forensic accounting.

The aid is the chump change payments (read bribes) being made by the entities that will most benefit from the chaos and allow them to keep raping the economic system of Haiti.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Without addressing the entities that profit from chaos and lawlessness, no progress will be made. The best way to restablish order in Haiti is the take out the individuals causing the chaos on the ground and to confront the individuals causing economic chaos in the boardrooms. To do the former you simply need good men with guns. To do the latter you need experts in forensic accounting.

The aid is the chump change payments (read bribes) being made by the entities that will most benefit from the chaos and allow them to keep raping the economic system of Haiti.

 

[Sloan]

What exactly is the Kenyan army to do in Haitian? I mean has anyone seen the details, aside from the buzz words of "get rid of the gangs". I have read nothing regarding their contribution to date.

Conduct operations against the leaders of the gangs and terminate their employment with extreme predjudice if they are not willing to submit to the application of law and order willingly.

Power flows from the barrel of a gun. They deserve no more than two to chest and one to the head!

 

[johne]

Conduct operations against the leaders of the gangs and terminate their employment with extreme predjudice if they are not willing to submit to the application of law and order willingly.

Power flows from the barrel of a gun. They deserve no more than two to chest and one to the head!

Yes, that was part one of your original suggestion, and I agree. Please expand on your thoughts on part two which was fiscal control. IMO they are tied together as siamese twins. In fact, it is my opinion, control by the sword in Haiti furthers the corruption part of the $$$$.

 

[MoJoInDR]

Power flows from the barrel of a gun. They deserve no more than two to chest and one to the head!

Well... Let's qualify that... Because it's kind of supporting what a criminal with a gun thinks.

Power flows from the brain that can, with proper justification, use a gun to accomplish peace... If a gun is used to impose power, then there is always the possibility that a gun will be used to get out from under that imposed power... And around and around it goes... And where then is the power?

 

[Sloan]

The power lies within the men handling the guns.

I have not been granted the ability to know a mans heart by just looking at him. But I believe that a man shows what is in his heart through his actions.

My specialty is gun control. That is what I trained to do and became an expert on. Good gun control means that the bullets you release from your weapon hit the intended target.

I'll leave the forensic accounting to those whom can handle a computer spreadsheet as well as I can handle a Mossberg pump with 00 buck when I was asked to engage in conflict resolution during up close and personal encounters.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

The power lies within the men handling the guns.

I have not been granted the ability to know a mans heart by just looking at him. But I believe that a man shows what is in his heart through his actions.

My specialty is gun control. That is what I trained to do and became an expert on. Good gun control means that the bullets you release from your weapon hit the intended target.

I'll leave the forensic accounting to those whom can handle a computer spreadsheet as well as I can handle a Mossberg pump with 00 buck when I was asked to engage in conflict resolution during up close and personal encounters.

 

[JD Jones]

Kenyan police clash with Haitian armed gangs for the first time

Policías de Kenia se enfrentan a bandas armadas de Haití por primera vez

Esta operación se produjo un día después de la llegada a Haití de un segundo contingente de policías kenianos, que iban acompañados de al menos ocho de los

somospueblo.com

 

[MoJoInDR]

The power lies within the men handling the guns.

I have not been granted the ability to know a mans heart by just looking at him. But I believe that a man shows what is in his heart through his actions.

My specialty is gun control. That is what I trained to do and became an expert on. Good gun control means that the bullets you release from your weapon hit the intended target.

I'll leave the forensic accounting to those whom can handle a computer spreadsheet as well as I can handle a Mossberg pump with 00 buck when I was asked to engage in conflict resolution during up close and personal encounters.

I won't claim your expertise in gun control... But the little experience I've had certainly confirmed that gun control begins between the ears... With the heart being related to the intention.

But yes, according to a good book... Humans can't really know what is in the heart of other humans... Until we hear words or see actions... And yet, even then we may just be witnessing fraudulent behavior... Like when a husband tells his wife he loves her, even as he is in an adulterous affair.

And I'm going to think that when you were asked to handle a Mossberg pump in conflict resolution, you engaged your brain to properly do so, your heart already being given to a particular intent.

Haiti needs a change of heart.

 

[Sloan]

When you are in a situation that requires serious social work with a Mossberg or SigSauer you revert to your training.

That means reacting to the situation presented to you correctly. In the shoot house you practice, practice and practice some more. Not once do I remember thinking. Clearing a room is not the calm cool situation that a sniper faces. Room clearing is intense the adrenlene is surging and your heart is pumping. If you have to think...well maybe someone picked the wrong profession. Those in the opposition that do not use their brains and choose to make the wrong decision...those are the moments I used to train for.

Haiti needs good men with guns. Strong men with computers and a deep desire to find and eliminate corruption on behalf of their fellow countrymen.

 

[MoJoInDR]

When you are in a situation that requires serious social work with a Mossberg or SigSauer you revert to your training.

That means reacting to the situation presented to you correctly. In the shoot house you practice, practice and practice some more. Not once do I remember thinking. Clearing a room is not the calm cool situation that a sniper faces. Room clearing is intense the adrenlene is surging and your heart is pumping. If you have to think...well maybe someone picked the wrong profession. Those in the opposition that do not use their brains and choose to make the wrong decision...those are the moments I used to train for.

Haiti needs good men with guns. Strong men with computers and a deep desire to find and eliminate corruption on behalf of their fellow countrymen.

Yes... Training... Repetitive training... Empowers the brain to think quickly... So quickly that it may seem like an intuitive reaction (like a nerve reacting)... But it isn't... It is a trained mind reaction.

That's the beauty of the mind.