as a dominican who grew up in POP my impression of expats was that they felt they were too good to live amongst the regular people. i never saw them unless i went to an area specifically defined as "for gringos". i now understand some of the reasons why they hide away but i still flinch when i hear expats speaking as if dominicans are wild animals--ON THIS VERY BOARD. you can shove your particular ideas of "civilization" if the hat fits.
you are not superior or above anybody because you have diff ideals, customs or material BS. please stay hidden away w your fellow arrogant expats.
****PLEASE NOTE: those expats w some common sense and decency and RESPECT for dominicans, i respect fully. the rest....hmmph.
Indeed, it takes a few centuries of distancing to be able to analyse dispassionately. Or.........an ability to analyse non-defensively.
Ken2 , the Taino lived in bohios, properly constructed homes with a thatched roof, not caves :cheeky: as far as I'm aware. We know they had furniture. Maybe they just used the caves as their art galleries (cave paintings etc)?
But back to benefits, what do you think Vacara?
Indeed, it takes a few centuries of distancing to be able to analyse dispassionately. Or.........an ability to analyse non-defensively.
Ken2 , the Taino lived in bohios, properly constructed homes with a thatched roof, not caves :cheeky: as far as I'm aware. We know they had furniture. Maybe they just used the caves as their art galleries (cave paintings etc)?
Some of you people need to get a real job or find a better hobby. It seems like anyone can throw any stupid topic and the thread will reach 60 pages long.
Some expats live real lives within real dominicans and provide important services. No wonder these expats are always connected and always doing something productive, seems like the rest of you folks just sit around to discuss another meaningless topic to death.
AZB
What the goddamned phouc?!
DIDN'T YOU START A GODDAMNED STUPID THREAD ABOUT A GODDAMNED LOST PHOUCKING CHICKEN RECENTLY?
WTF????????????? YOU MUST BE JEALOUS THIS AIN'T ABOUT YOU. OR MAYBE IT IS...
It's not just the conveniences. Modern farming techniques and infrastructure are absolute necessary in order to support an ever increasing population.
But how does this relate to benefits Dominicans gain (or don't) from having expats living in the DR? Are you suggesting that if no foreigners had ever moved here, Dominicans wouldn't have developed modern farming techniques? And yes I know about Trujillo bringing in Japanese immigrants to develop agricultural irrigation systems in Constanza.
There would seem to be an assumption in some responses that if the foreigner hadn't set foot in the DR, then 'development' would not have occurred. I don't understand this. Why would people make that assumption?
as a dominican who grew up in POP my impression of expats was that they felt they were too good to live amongst the regular people. i never saw them unless i went to an area specifically defined as "for gringos". i now understand some of the reasons why they hide away but i still flinch when i hear expats speaking as if dominicans are wild animals--ON THIS VERY BOARD. you can shove your particular ideas of "civilization" if the hat fits.
you are not superior or above anybody because you have diff ideals, customs or material BS. please stay hidden away w your fellow arrogant expats.
****PLEASE NOTE: those expats w some common sense and decency and RESPECT for dominicans, i respect fully. the rest....hmmph.
As far as if the theoretical proposition of what the DR would have been like without European intervention one could just look at other NA societies in say Brazil to see where they would be. While it may appear idyllic, there is no way a hunter gatherer system can support an ever increasing population and the density associated with it. In primitive societies the solution has been to expans the borders or start wars to find more arable land - that is if disease and famine doesn't automatically check the population.
At any rate, most of the infrastructure ideas were developed long ago in Africa and the Middle East - and thank God for that.
Well, we spend money, pay our light bills, don't have any chickens or roosters in the yard, and we don't play boom boxes at full volume. We discipline our children and don't cut ahead of other people standing in line. We drive sanely and consider a two-lane road to be just that. We don't race by pedestrians on motorcycles and grab purses off women's shoulders.
Are these the sort of benefits you had in mind when you posted your question?
Spot on.... How many times does "class" come up on this forum? I think if someone has to constantly tell us that they are of a certain class then that tells us more about them than they realise. :tired:
I totally agree that there are some expats who feel they are "too good" for the regular people, as you put it.
An earlier poster said that we can give much to the Dominicans, and indeed they seek it - education about other parts of the world for instance. The vast majority will never leave the DR. The chance to learn a little English, or to practise it. I have spent many, many hours with the kids counting, reciting and writing the alphabet and having simple conversations. I have shown my friends some different dishes to cook. I have demonstrated some basic horse whispering to incredulous Dominican "horse men". OK these are only small things but I know they meant a lot.
In return I have learnt how to dance a mean Bachata, speak Spanish far, far better than I was taught at school, be far more humble than I ever knew I was capable of, and a lot of other things besides.
On another note - I also compliment Africaida on her posting. I would like to think being female also contributes to the civility shown. A quality that is sadly lacking on some of the posts here. :ermm:
Cat amongst the pigeons time, methinks :cheeky:
Rio
So having chickens or roosters in the yard is a bad thing?. Have you heard that "when in Rome do like the Romans"?.
Oh, and by the way; are you suggesting that Dominicans need foreigners example to learn not to grab purses off women's shoulders?.
we dont has not benefit from people like ken2 ..