What is Burto Rosado in Barrio talk?

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Derfish said:
The dropping of the s confused me the most when a lady used to say "No vamos" Which I took to mean we are not going, but she meant "Nos vamos" as in let's go. Took a while but I did catch on a lot sooner than she learned English.
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Wow- that is classic. I have never heard anyone misinterpret that but now that you explained it I can see how it could be misconstrued if one is not familiar with this speech pattern.

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I've been sent transcripts of interviews with campesinos where the letter S only makes occasional guest appearances.

Not easy to translate a sentence like "No fuimo a la capital".

The R for L in bulto/burto could be a case of overcompensation - they know that Rs are often mispronounced as Ls so they overcompensate by pronouncing Ls as Rs, or it could be the southwestern DR accent. Along with the omission of the S it's also a feature of andaluz - "Hace faRta"

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Castle said:
I don't think they meant a pink shopping bag, probably more like a pink bag to put baby stuff when going out.
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You are the winner, this is what they wanted us to bring, we didn't....but I brought rum which I think they enjoyed.

I had no idea I was supposed to come as well, the invite just said my wife's name and whenever they mentioned it they only mentioned my wife! Everyone asked where I was so I was dragged over later...
 
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Harleysrock said:
You are the winner, this is what they wanted us to bring, we didn't....but I brought rum which I think they enjoyed.

I had no idea I was supposed to come as well, the invite just said my wife's name and whenever they mentioned it they only mentioned my wife! Everyone asked where I was so I was dragged over later...
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So they wrote on the invitation the present they wanted from every guest? It seems that everyone comes up with their own baby shower rules these days.
Someone posted here once that she was thrown a baby shower, and at the end the guests picked presents for themselves. lol
 
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Do men go to baby showers? Were you the only guy there or did the rest turn up as well. Not very macho for a Dominican to be seen at a baby shower, or is it? Don't think I've ever heard of a man at a baby shower.
 
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Thanks for this informative reply.

Marianopolita said:
This is a big topic but here is my response in brief.

There are three distinct speech concepts in relation to your question:

i) R to L ? common in Puerto and DR and not as common in Cuba although it can be heard in Cuban speech. This speech pattern has its roots in Spanish brought over from the Canary Islands. It?s also deemed as uneducated which could explain why it?s so prevalent in some areas of the Caribbean Spanish-speaking islands.

Examples- amor is pronounced as amol, por favor is pronounced as pol favol, perd?n is pronounced peld?n, sorpresa is pronounced as solpresa etc.

ii) L to R- common in the DR, which means PR as well and parts of Cuba.
Examples have been provided already by Lucifer- sal pronounced as sar, maldito pronounced as mardito.

This speech pattern is sure?o meaning common in the south of DR and PR. There are lots of similarities there.

In my experience, I hear R to L much more than L to R which in my opinion is really regional.

iii) Suppression of R and L? you will hear this from some speakers, Cubans in particular which gives them away when they speak if you don?t recognize accents that well. Listen to how some Cubans suppress these two letters in between words- algo (becomes aggo), alguien (becomes arguien).

If you have exposure to Spanish from all over the Spanish-speaking world you can make your own observations (which is my case) and back them up with research and study (my case as well).

Note- it?s el cibae?o which is a true dialect in Spanish specific only to the DR.

For good measure and because it?s the same topic you may have heard the Dominican speech pattern of adding /s/ to words where it does not belong. Once again this is uneducated speech and for these speakers in their quest to sound more refined end up just sounding even more uneducated.





I have a very good friend from Ban? however, a very educated Spanish speaker. Since we both love the topic of Spanish and language in general, we always talk about our observations about how the language is used in the DR correctly and incorrectly.


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HUG said:
Do men go to baby showers? Were you the only guy there or did the rest turn up as well. Not very macho for a Dominican to be seen at a baby shower, or is it? Don't think I've ever heard of a man at a baby shower.
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They seem to go to baby showers in our Barrio, the 2 I have been to at least. I assumed it was only a girl thing this time that is why I didn't plan on going last night but other guys were there.
 
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AlterEgo said:
I still can't get over them *telling* you what to buy/bring!! Chutzpah!!
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Not really - I'd rather buy something I know is needed, like with a wedding list; the difference being that they were assigned a gift instead of being given a choice of what to buy and how much to spend.

If you go to baby paraphernalia shops like Prin in Santo Domingo you'll see all the Baby Shower lists.
 
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Chirimoya said:
Not really - I'd rather buy something I know is needed, like with a wedding list; the difference being that they were assigned a gift instead of being given a choice of what to buy and how much to spend.

If you go to baby paraphernalia shops like Prin in Santo Domingo you'll see all the Baby Shower lists.
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Oh I agree with you, because I remember the "Old Days" when brides would get 5 toasters and new moms would get three umbrella strollers. I think that the store gift request lists are great, and I'm glad to hear they have them here too. Our nephew's wife just had a baby - how would I know if she has one at a SD store?? In the US they include it in the baby shower or bridal shower invites - in DR?

But sorry, I still think it's very nervy to tell someone what to buy!!! Give me a choice, I may have spent more on my own. But that should be my choice!!
 
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AlterEgo said:
But sorry, I still think it's very nervy to tell someone what to buy!!! Give me a choice, I may have spent more on my own. But that should be my choice!!
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Oh, I agree.

Our nephew's wife just had a baby - how would I know if she has one at a SD store?? In the US they include it in the baby shower or bridal shower invites - in DR?
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If they have a list, they'll probably tell you.
 
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Harleysrock said:
Really nothing surprises me here or in our Barrio anymore.... Actually maybe that isn't true, I am surprised they didn't ask for us to bring more stuff :classic:
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Maybe they asked but you did not understand. For them a bulto rosado could mean '' lleno de rosado'' you know the 1 000 pesos notes. They are rosado are they not ?????
 
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Someone who writes "burto" on an invitation, and tells you what to bring, is not going to be shy to request cash!
 
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