Where is Trujillo?

[Mr_DR]

Trujillo

Trujillo back? No ! DR doesn't need an assassin,egomaniac, rapist of teenage girsl like Trujillo to put " mano dura".

So, you rather have thousands of assassins, egomaniacs, thieves and rapists of women and teens?

I don't know about you but I rather deal with just one assassin and rapist of teeneage girls. Plus the oldies tell me that while Trujillo was in, there were no killings, no thieves,
The DR peso was worth more than that of the dollar at USD$ 1.10 for 1 Dom Peso. He only went after those who would oppose him. Believe it or not there are much more crimes today against women and the population than that of the time of Trujillo.

If you don't believe it why dont you find a few seniors and ask them how many thefts, rapes and murder within the population in their neighbourhood went on ?

 

[Chip]

So, you rather have thousands of assassins, egomaniacs, thieves and rapists of women and teens?

I don't know about you but I rather deal with just one assassin and rapist of teeneage girls. Plus the oldies tell me that while Trujillo was in, there were no killings, no thieves,
The DR peso was worth more than that of the dollar at USD$ 1.10 for 1 Dom Peso. He only went after those who would oppose him. Believe it or not there are much more crimes today against women and the population than that of the time of Trujillo.

If you don't believe it why dont you find a few seniors and ask them how many thefts, rapes and murder within the population in their neighbourhood went on ?

What you fail to take into account is the effect of the despot on the psyche of it's citizens. It is possible that he created a model of machismo that has developed into the Dominican tigueraje. One thing is for sure is that any despot anymore rarely "se muere en su cama" so a revolution is inevitable. Not only that, with the media age leaders personal abuses are there for all the world to see and actions such as these can damage a country's reputation. Look at the pm of Italy for example. Unadulterated despotism in Western societies has had it's turn already. There are other modified versions cleverly veiled by supposed progressive political systems but they typically only last as long as their charismatic leader or until the populace has been converted into a mass of unisprired and unproductive workers. Of course there are exceptions or at least appear that way for the time being. I propose there are actually none though.

 

[Mr_DR]

What you fail to take into account is the effect of the despot on the psyche of it's citizens. It is possible that he created a model of machismo that has developed into the Dominican tigueraje. One thing is for sure is that any despot anymore rarely "se muere en su cama" so a revolution is inevitable. Not only that, with the media age leaders personal abuses are there for all the world to see and actions such as these can damage a country's reputation. Look at the pm of Italy for example. Unadulterated despotism in Western societies has had it's turn already. There are other modified versions cleverly veiled by supposed progressive political systems but they typically only last as long as their charismatic leader or until the populace has been converted into a mass of unisprired and unproductive workers. Of course there are exceptions or at least appear that way for the time being. I propose there are actually none though.

I just don't agree with much of the things going on here, there is no freaking control and people are shooting each other, as if this is the "wild wild west" people playing dominoes and drinking in the streets while they can be en los campos planting beans and corn.

 

[santobonao]

jajaja mr d u so funny

 

[santobonao]

MR.DR, I think that you need help, estas pasao mijo!!! deja esa amargura y ponte a eschuchar musica barrial.

 

[Chip]

I just don't agree with much of the things going on here, there is no freaking control and people are shooting each other, as if this is the "wild wild west" people playing dominoes and drinking in the streets while they can be en los campos planting beans and corn.

Yes there is violence, but is generally located in the bad areas of town in the evenings. Do what I do; don't go there.

 

[Mr_DR]

Yes there is violence, but is generally located in the bad areas of town in the evenings. Do what I do; don't go there.

The only thing is that the freaking media shows these things going on in these barrios and these are the images that ignorant people usually get from Dominicans because they think that we are all measured by the same yardstick.

 

[Mr_DR]

MR.DR, I think that you need help, estas pasao mijo!!! deja esa amargura y ponte a eschuchar musica barrial.

Aunque no lo creas santobonao, yo soy bastante alegre, son muy pocas las veces que yo me sienta azulado.

 

[Onions/Carrots]

A man like Trujillo would be preferable to the pansy Leonel, but the murders and abuses that he committed were just pure evil.

I agree!!! Another Trujillo is what we need. A man who immediately upon ceasing power would begin mass executions of all the traitors to the Fatherland. These executions would be done in public to terrorize would be up and coming gangsters. Trujillo killed in secret but we would need this to be in public. All the corrupt cops, the corrupt politicians, the military, the average citizen-all would meet a public execution-none would be spared. It must be immediate, brutal and all encompassing. ORDER MUST BE RESTORED!!!

The foreigners in our lands accused of dealing drugs and of corrupting our conservative values would be hanged in Parque Independencia and their rotting bodies left on the gallows for all to see that their fate will be the same if they dare destroy our nation.

Then, the DR we all knew would rise once again.

I just don't agree with much of the things going on here, there is no freaking control and people are shooting each other, as if this is the "wild wild west" people playing dominoes and drinking in the streets while they can be en los campos planting beans and corn.

Millions of Dominicans feel just like you do. Take heart our great Trujillo historian OGRO assures us another Trujillo will rise again. Exactly, Trujillo demanded that each man have X amount of tareas and was working the land. I feel great pride when I read about other nationalist Dominicans like yourselves who feel a need for RADICAL change. It gives me great hope to know that there are other Dominicans who feel and think the way I do. We must find a way to aggregate ourselves into a mass that can begin to effect real political change. All great movements begin small.

Look at Hitler. He began speaking in beer halls to groups of just twenty or so. What is needed is a charismatic leader who can arise passion in others. There is this sense in the DR that nothing can be done. Also, there is this general apathy and laziness amongst the populace. There is this indifference. There is no passion. There is no fire.

I believe we can have an effective leader that can truly and irrevocably crush the criminals and the traitors who will restore order and decency to the DR. Half the prison population would have to be exterminated immediately. This is the only way to deal with those who would destroy the DR and turn it into an outdoor nationwide "prostibulo".

Take heart. Change is coming. It always does. It is always darkest before the dawn!!

MR.DR, I think that you need help, estas pasao mijo!!! deja esa amargura y ponte a eschuchar musica barrial.

Oye paesanito, si fuera solamente el. Somos millones cansado de la mierda que se ha convertido nuestro pai'. Haci dijeron de muchos en el pasado y cuando asumieron el poder fue con machete para todos los que se opusieran. Abajo los malditos, tigeres. No uso palabras mas fuertes pa' que Robert no me ponga un ban aqui.

 

[Onions/Carrots]

This is what we need. Someone who is charismatic enough to help other Dominicans understand that real change is possible. Someone who will help those Dominicans who are as Mr DR says just on colmado corners sipping beer and playing dominoes realize that the ways things are not need be. Hitler's only mistake was attacking the JEWS. If he would have incorporated them into his party and given them full rights as ethnic Germans, then Einstein would not have left and the Germans would have had the A-bomb. We would all be speaking German now.

I am not the only Dominican who feels like this. Muchos somos "germanofilos". El orden que ellos tienen lo queremos tambien. Only someone with that will of force could effectively repatriate the millions of Haitians in our lands and enforce that decision. Army commanders and soldiers taking bribes from Haitians allowing them to enter the DR would be tried for treason and executed. This would end the border nonsense and shenanigans going on right now

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[bob saunders]

You can have law and order without a dictator, but the will of the people to achieve it is a necessary ingredient. If civics is taught in school from day one, where honesty and moral behavior is rewarded and dishonesty is punished (appropriately) you can, little by little change a country. It is true that to do this you need a leader with a clear vision, that is charismatic enough to get elected, and of strong enough character to achieve what is required. Not sure if this person exists.

 

[cbmitch9]

Onoins/Carrots, I felt what you were saying until you mentioned Hitler..Hitler? Of all people? Charismatic leaders usually are egomaniacs.

 

[Onions/Carrots]

Onoins/Carrots, I felt what you were saying until you mentioned Hitler..Hitler? Of all people? Charismatic leaders usually are egomaniacs.

I understand you. I mention Hitler in the sense of someone with the will of force to get things done. As I mentioned, his greatest failure was the catastrophic and maniacal diabolical idea of exterminating the JEWS. He should have folded them within the Nazi Party. There were many Jewish and half-Jewish veterans of WW1 who would have eagerly joined such a party of discipline and order.

The DR is crumbling amidst a sea of crime and corruption. Leonel like Chamberlain is in appeasement mode. He wants everyone to be happy most of all the foreign Haitian population. The character and structure of the DR is collapsing as a result. The DR can not support 2 million Haitians. Each one must go back to their home country and demand change.

There are many hundreds of thousands like minded Dominicans asking for this. They are asking for mass executions of all the traitors. They are asking for those who would sell out their mothers and the DR to enrich themselves to be hanged in Parque Independencia and left to rot. I am not alone in this.

You can have law and order without a dictator, but the will of the people to achieve it is a necessary ingredient. If civics is taught in school from day one, where honesty and moral behavior is rewarded and dishonesty is punished (appropriately) you can, little by little change a country. It is true that to do this you need a leader with a clear vision, that is charismatic enough to get elected, and of strong enough character to achieve what is required. Not sure if this person exists.

That is fine and dandy but we need change NOW!! Your educational program will take time. That's great as a long term objective. What is needed NOW is punishment. I feel a tinge of weakness in your usage of the word appropriately. The only appropriately I want is a bullet in the back of the head of all those criminals and traitors who have turned the DR into an open air whorehouse where anything and everything goes.

We have some good senators like the one out there in the west who is decrying the filth, the crime, the drug peddlers and pushers yet he has no protection. We both agree on a person with the will of force to carry this out. A true nationalist and patriot who would end the trash and the corruption. That one in my opinion would be a dictator with steel nerves and the ice cold disposition to execute the plan mercilessly.

 

[Chip]

OC why don't you give us a few examples of the leaders you were talking about - and no Hitler isn't a good one.

The reality is there aren't any and any that do start out positively inevitably are corrupted by the power and become despots.

God forbid we have one of those here in the DR. I would rather raise my Dominican daughters in what we have now, gracias.

 

[Onions/Carrots]

OC why don't you give us a few examples of the leaders you were talking about - and no Hitler isn't a good one.

The reality is there aren't any and any that do start out positively inevitably are corrupted by the power and become despots.

God forbid we have one of those here in the DR. I would rather raise my Dominican daughters in what we have now, gracias.

You're absolutely right. There is no perfection. I am not looking for perfection. I will leave that to the Utopian socialists. I am looking for order to be restored. If that leads us to a despot with excesses, we will have to accept his excesses in exchange for order. I, for one, have no problem with that.

 

[Chip]

You're absolutely right. There is no perfection. I am not looking for perfection. I will leave that to the Utopian socialists. I am looking for order to be restored. If that leads us to a despot with excesses, we will have to accept his excesses in exchange for order. I, for one, have no problem with that.

Somehow I expect you don't live here in the DR. The US some say is headed down the same path, what with people going "postal" every week it seems.

I don't believe what this country needs is another despot. We need a true man of faith to put it into practice. What disgusts me is that this is a Catholic country and we don't have any recognizable leaders/politicians that are willing to put their faith and country ahead of their personal needs. Eso es una verguenza por cierto.

 

[PICHARDO]

Where's Trujillo?


Here:

 

[Mr_DR]

Where's Trujillo?


Here:

10 to 1 he is not really there, I have him in my lab, trying to clone him.

 

[Mr_DR]

TREASON = Punishment by immediate death.

OC why don't you give us a few examples of the leaders you were talking about - and no Hitler isn't a good one.

The reality is there aren't any and any that do start out positively inevitably are corrupted by the power and become despots.

God forbid we have one of those here in the DR. I would rather raise my Dominican daughters in what we have now, gracias.

We have such man right for the job. He has balls of steel, is charismatic, very honest , does not tolerates corruption and very determined to do what is neccessary in order for people to obey the law.

Here is a true story of this man. We will refer to him as General X

There was once a dominican man that was deforesting a national park to make carbon and sell, he was warned, fined, and jailed twice already but would not listen, on the third time mr carbon man was caught red handed a third time on his donkey transporting the carbon, this time General X was fed up and ended up burning up carbon man alive with the whole donkey.

And that is the kind of man that DR needs.

And yes Chip, we have such leader, but it wont happend unless he takes it by force and get rid of all the people in the gov which should all be the first ones to be charged with treason. Corruption is what is running this country and this like "OC said " it is not gonna first happend without neccessary bloodshed because these corrupts have been suckling on the low mangoes, screwing the population for too long and bloodshed is what is gonna take to get those leeches off our blood.

The only thing I would've done different was that I would've saved the poor donkey since he didn't have to pay for his master's stupidity.

Here is what we need to in order to have a better republic.

Like OC said "we need changes and we need them now"

We need put the fear of death in the eyes of delinquents and only then they will be productive and law abiding citizens.

A leader that can't even find a solution for the most simple things like preventing thiefs from stealing sewage tops, cables or a statue's bronze letters, and instead of finding a solution opts for spending more money by replacing them with another material, should not be our leader.

What would I have done different?

TREASON, TREASON, TREASON = Punishment by immediate death this would give us a much better country.

Charge these delinquents or whoever commits a crime against the country's infrastructure or ecology with <b>TREASON = death by hanging infront of the population so that the population remembers that the same thing could happend to them if breaking the law.<b>

Treason would also include crimes such as

Throwing even the smallest piece of trash anywhere other than in a proper trash container.

Passing by handleable trash and not picking it up.

Spitting, or peeing around monuments or in open public areas.

Deforesting

Polution when it is intentionally

Vandalism or stealing from parks, monuments, or the country's infrastructure

Drug traffiiking

Human Traffiking

Offering or accepting bribes by civilians or government officials in legal or illegal migration or work permits or contract bids.

Government corruption by officials to include abuse of power, and misuse or stealing of government funds.

Altering or distributing any national documents such as birth certificate or DL

Killing or capturing whales, dolphins, sea turtles, or any fish in the border of extinction

Killing bats or exotic birds, specially if the bird are exotic and in danger of extinction.

Killing a government official or a civilian providing a service or benefit to the country

Killing a tax payer residing in the country.

Killing a visiting civilian or government official from another country.

Killing, raping or abusing children.

Killing a government sponsored student.

Killing someone that provides for his family where the governement have to pick up the tab for the welfare of the family.

Killing a foreign resident or a tourist.

Killing by hit and run.

Killing an artist or musician or an athlete that is symbolic or represents the country nationally or internationally.

Buying or selling any kind of cable wire and metals...all metals should be bought and sold only in a government metal depot center.

Piracy of music, video games or films.

Loitering around playing dominoes in the corners while they can be working and providing the country a benefit even if it is just the tax. If someones wants to waste time in street corners they better have met the minimum worked hours for the week, month or year. Or pay a street corner dominoes tax...lol

Animal negligence or abuse where the gov has to use funds to shelter or treat the pet.

Not sending your kids to school when there insn't any excuse.

Killing a senior citizen

Tax evasion.

Disrespecting the country or the flag in any way.

All murders victims would have their justice well served because their killers will be put to death in the same manner they were caused to die.

implement these laws and we would have a better republic with much less crimes, less tiguerage, less vandalism to the country's infrastructure or it's ecology,<b>and only then Chip can raise his dominican daughters without having to worry much when they go to the colmado by street corner.<b>


Feel free to add any others I missed, or ask why I would label some of these laws "treason" I can explain it to you how it would affect the country.

 

[Chip]

Mr Dr with all due respect, what you are are proposing is extreme.

As far as my daughters are concerned, life is good and tranquil here in Santiago and what I am worried about more than anything is making sure they are raised Catholic and I do my part to ensure that. Everything else will fall into place.