Why can't the Dominican Republic be the solution to the crisis in Haiti?

NanSanPedro

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Why black tourism, must be just tourism
Not at first. Most whites will be afraid to come down. I'm an exception. So you market to the black middle and upper class in the USA and elsewhere. Jacmel is an area to be showcased. There are others. I hear St. Marc is nice too. But you build with black tourism and eventually whites will follow.
 

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Not at first. Most whites will be afraid to come down. I'm an exception. So you market to the black middle and upper class in the USA and elsewhere. Jacmel is an area to be showcased. There are others. I hear St. Marc is nice too. But you build with black tourism and eventually whites will follow.
Nt the exception. I've been loads of times and i'm white. Lot's of white tourists went in the 70's. I don't think it has to be racially marketed.
 
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NanSanPedro

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Nt the exception. I've been loads of times and i'm white. Lot's of white tourists went in the 70's. I don't think it has to be racially marketed.
I wish it would work that way. I just don't think it will.
 

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The simple answer is that there is no fix to Haiti. Some things that are broken cannot be fixed.
Haiti is one of those things.
These are only matters of opinion but mine is different.

Haiti is not a machine broken past repair and Haiti could be "fixed".
Look at what happened to the countries that were devastated by WW 2 and then Vietnam following the war.
Today our former enemies are wealthy trading partners.

All it takes is the will.
It is disgraceful that the wealthy western countries allow the suffering in Haiti to continue.

I believe there is a racist element to the refusal of the western countries to "fix" Haiti.
 

NanSanPedro

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These are only matters of opinion but mine is different.

Haiti is not a machine broken past repair and Haiti could be "fixed".
Look at what happened to the countries that were devastated by WW 2 and then Vietnam following the war.
Today our former enemies are wealthy trading partners.

All it takes is the will.
It is disgraceful that the wealthy western countries allow the suffering in Haiti to continue.

I believe there is a racist element to the refusal of the western countries to "fix" Haiti.
Haiti has received tons of aid. They have squandered/stolen most of it. Their governments since Papa Doc have been horrible and much more corrupt than anything the DR can muster.

There is not a shortage of people who want to help. When you throw the racist label around you lose people who know it's bullshit. There has to be a reset in how the government works. Until that happens, same shit different day.
 

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These are only matters of opinion but mine is different.

Haiti is not a machine broken past repair and Haiti could be "fixed".
Look at what happened to the countries that were devastated by WW 2 and then Vietnam following the war.
Today our former enemies are wealthy trading partners.

All it takes is the will.
It is disgraceful that the wealthy western countries allow the suffering in Haiti to continue.

I believe there is a racist element to the refusal of the western countries to "fix" Haiti.
Or it could be there is no will and it cannot be fixed. I am going with that.
 
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jstarebel

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If that is what you think you do not have to participate in the discussion.
In the beginning Haitians fixed Haiti. They were slaves and they overthrew their French masters. Then the world conspired not to let the new nation get a toehold in the world. Lest they encourage the rest of the slaves to rise up over throw their colonial masters and form their own countries. The French did the equivalent of scorched earth economic policy right from the git. Then over the history of the country other colonial powers have done what they could to extract resources while making minimum investments. The French need to take responsibility. They stepped up when a bunch of terrorists were fighting a war against England on the North American continent to support them. Slaves who freed themselves did not get that kind of support.

You are welcome for the history lesson ‼
You ever thing that your way of thinking may be what's flawed?? JD has it right. Only Haitians can fix Haiti.. You unfortunately seem to be of the mind that the world owes Haiti.. Especially the French.. Poor Poor Haiti.. The world should all band together and pay reparations to every Haitian for the centuries of raping Haiti of their natural resources and taking advantage of the god fearing wonderful Haitians.. Haitians are not responsible for anything that's wrong with their country.. There is no corruption. No gangs that go unchecked in areas of the nation spreading chaos, misery and death to those who oppose them.. The world needs to pay, and all of Haiti would then be able to recover and be one of the greatest and productive nations in the world !!! You're dreaming dude..

I've worked on so many water plant projects on Haiti for so many years.. Haiti is one of two countries in the Caribbean where I've seen dead people bloating on the side of the road while in a government vehicle being escorted to a water plant for my own safety.. What struck me as really odd was that to the government guys.. This was no big deal and normal.. Haiti is and has been for decades seriously messed up.. Have organizations like the Clinton Foundation or Richard Branson made millions off of aid while screwing Haiti?? You bet, but until Haitians take responsibility for what's going on in their own country and stop trying to blame everyone else for everything wrong in Haiti, the "Blah-Blah" will continue. It's not our fault.. We're the victims.. you need to pay.. How about get off your duff, take responsibility for your own people, get real about what's wrong, and do something to make Haiti better..
 

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These are only matters of opinion but mine is different.

Haiti is not a machine broken past repair and Haiti could be "fixed".
Look at what happened to the countries that were devastated by WW 2 and then Vietnam following the war.
Today our former enemies are wealthy trading partners.

All it takes is the will.
It is disgraceful that the wealthy western countries allow the suffering in Haiti to continue.

I believe there is a racist element to the refusal of the western countries to "fix" Haiti.
Why do Haitians abroad not send remittances back home to their people, as Dominicans do for theirs?
 
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zoomzx11

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Why not ? A certain "Power Couple" from America did it and padded their foundation bankroll off the misery of Haiti. Many people walk away.
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Unsubstantiated claims.
Show us the evidence the Clinton Foundation profited in any way from Haiti
 

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You ever thing that your way of thinking may be what's flawed?? JD has it right. Only Haitians can fix Haiti.. You unfortunately seem to be of the mind that the world owes Haiti.. Especially the French.. Poor Poor Haiti.. The world should all band together and pay reparations to every Haitian for the centuries of raping Haiti of their natural resources and taking advantage of the god fearing wonderful Haitians.. Haitians are not responsible for anything that's wrong with their country.. There is no corruption. No gangs that go unchecked in areas of the nation spreading chaos, misery and death to those who oppose them.. The world needs to pay, and all of Haiti would then be able to recover and be one of the greatest and productive nations in the world !!! You're dreaming dude..

I've worked on so many water plant projects on Haiti for so many years.. Haiti is one of two countries in the Caribbean where I've seen dead people bloating on the side of the road while in a government vehicle being escorted to a water plant for my own safety.. What struck me as really odd was that to the government guys.. This was no big deal and normal.. Haiti is and has been for decades seriously messed up.. Have organizations like the Clinton Foundation or Richard Branson made millions off of aid while screwing Haiti?? You bet, but until Haitians take responsibility for what's going on in their own country and stop trying to blame everyone else for everything wrong in Haiti, the "Blah-Blah" will continue. It's not our fault.. We're the victims.. you need to pay.. How about get off your duff, take responsibility for your own people, get real about what's wrong, and do something to make Haiti better..
Never seen Haitians blaming everyone for their misfortune. Haitians are hard workers in my experience.

What they do know though is that people have been making a killing trying to help their country. I know quite a few as a matter of fact.
 
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Why do Haitians abroad not send remittances back home to their people, as Dominicans do for theirs?
Actually, they do.. All of the unskilled work on Providenciales for instance is done by Haitians.. I had four Haitians there.. BTW, most god fearing decent people you would ever meet.. Very hard workers and respectful.. They all lived in an unfinished house by South Dock. Sheets for doors and windows.. Just a block structure. I used to pick them up every morning so they didn't have to do "Jitney" (Gypsy taxi) that cost them money because they sent all of their money home to their families.. No doubt that Haitians are one of the most taken advantage of people in the world.. BUT. That doesn't take away from the reality that Hattians need to fix their own country.. No one or no country can do anything to help them. They have to help themselves.. Even Haitians think that.
 

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Never seen Haitians blaming everyone for their misfortune. Haitians are hard workers in my experience.

What they do know though is that people have been making a killing trying to help their country. I know quite a few as a matter of fact.
Read my other post..There is a difference between Haitians and the OP..
 

NanSanPedro

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Haïti was a big destination for French tourists at that times indeed.
Not a matter of color, whites visit Kenya, senegal.... Why not Haiti?
Some people bias are showing
Not a matter of bias, just a matter of reality, especially for American whites.
 

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Not a matter of bias, just a matter of reality, especially for American whites.
Well, they do go to Jamaica. Despite Jamaica having less of a perfect record (I could be wrong but I believe JM has one of the highest murder rate in the Caribbean, although it rarely affect tourists).

Build resorts, make them feel safe, they will come. Beach, palm trees and safety, it all it takes.
 

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Why do Haitians abroad not send remittances back home to their people, as Dominicans do for theirs?
As any immigrant group they do, but I don't think it's enough to save the country. If it was, DR would look like Dubai.
As any immigrant group they do, but I don't think it's enough to save the country. If it was, DR would look like Dubai.
The wealthy western countries could "fix" Haiti from the small change in their pockets if there was a will.
Haiti need to be rebuilt from the ground up with schools, hospitals, infrastructure and jobs.

I have seen the work ethic of the Haitians laboring in the DR and it looks fine to me.

Regarding the denial of race in the refusal of Western countries to step in in a meaningful way: I have lived in the DR long enough to recognize the racial bias of Dominicans in general towards Haitians.
The DR wants the Haitians to come in and do the hard labor but then get out as soon as the job is finished.

Interesting discussion that brings out our usual lines of disagreement.
Nothing going to change in our lifetime so not much use in bickering over this one.
 
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The wealthy western countries could "fix" Haiti from the small change in their pockets if there was a will.
Haiti need to be rebuilt from the ground up with schools, hospitals, infrastructure and jobs.

I have seen the work ethic of the Haitians laboring in the DR and it looks fine to me.

Regarding the denial of race in the refusal of Western countries to step in in a meaningful way: I have lived in the DR long enough to recognize the racial bias of Dominicans in general towards Haitians.
The DR wants the Haitians to come in and do the hard labor but then get out as soon as the job is finished.

Interesting discussion that brings out our usual lines of disagreement.
Nothing going to change in our lifetime so not much use in bickering over this one.
In our life time and not for a hundred years. People with money realize there is no use sending good money after all the bad.
 
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