Why Can't the Dominican Republic be the Solution to the Crisis in Haiti?

[NALs]

Just to be clear, there are no laws about Haitians. In fact, every year thousands of Haitians that go through the same naturalization process as many other foreigners have done in this site and they too are sworn in as naturalized Dominican citizens once their process is successful. The laws do target illegal immigrants and that includes illegal Haitians (including those with false documents they buy from fraudsters), but not legal Haitians. As long that legal Haitians and legal anything aren't targeted by any law, then there are no laws about Haitians.

If there is a day when the law prohibits the naturalization of any Haitian, then it could be said that law is about Haitians, not just the legal or illegal ones. Until then...

 

[NanSanPedro]

Just to be clear, there are no laws about Haitians. In fact, every year thousands of Haitians that go through the same naturalization process as many other foreigners have done in this site and they too as sworn in as naturalized Dominican citizens once their process is successful. The laws do target illegal immigrants and that includes illegal Haitians (including those with false documents they buy from fraudsters), but not legal Haitians. As long that legal Haitians and legal anything aren't targeted by any law, then there are no laws about Haitians.

If there is a day when the law prohibits the naturalization of any Haitian, then it could be said that law is about Haitians, not just the legal or illegal ones. Until then...

OK, but what about the law passed some years ago that sez it's not good enough to be born here but you have to prove your ancestors were from here too in order to be considered a citizen. While I'm sure it didn't address Haitians per se, I think the entire universe knows it was targeting them.

 

[KyleMackey]

The best way for Haiti to to be fixed would be to secure all of the vacant cruise ships, send them to Haiti, Haitians board cruise ships and head for W. Africa. When the last ship leaves hand the keys over to DR and bring in bulldozers.

 

[NALs]

OK, but what about the law passed some years ago that sez it's not good enough to be born here but you have to prove your ancestors were from here too in order to be considered a citizen. While I'm sure it didn't address Haitians per se, I think the entire universe knows it was targeting them.

What law was that?

 

[bob saunders]

Here are a few definitions:
Different: not the same as another or each other; unlike in nature, form, or quality.
Invalid: (especially of an argument, statement, or theory) not true because based on erroneous information or unsound reasoning.

I am saying my experiences are different from yours. So, a quick review of the above definitions should answer your question.

Back to the subject: I understand your position on this issue. But is both possible to realize that something is in your interest but not your responsibility but still find it in your heart to help.

Example: It is in my interest to help extended relatives, but it is not my responsibility.

I am not making the argument that it is the entire responsibility of any one person or nation to help the people of Haiti. But, in my opinion, it is not possible to place all the blame on the Haitians currently living with the country right now without taking into account the larger picture of the individuals, companies and countries that have played a role in the difficulties currently being experienced in Haiti throughout history. I have present plenty of examples in many other posts that I will not review here.

The idea that they (Haitians) need to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" is a invalid one in my opinion.


If you love your country of origin, why do you live here in 🇩🇴 ❓

OK, but what about the law passed some years ago that sez it's not good enough to be born here but you have to prove your ancestors were from here too in order to be considered a citizen. While I'm sure it didn't address Haitians per se, I think the entire universe knows it was targeting them.

It was part of the constitution, and it wasn't changed , only clarified. If you were in the Dominican Republic without a Visa or were diplomatic staff you are considered in transit, as you had no permission to be in the DR so any child you had would not be Dominican due to your irregular or illegal status. Yes it affected more Haitians because it applied to more Haitians.

 

[bob saunders]

For Haiti to be successful they need to restore the system of small farms that was a pillar of Haitian society after independence. The government needs to lead the way in decentralizing the economy, and NGOs can help by supporting agricultural projects and reforestation...etc.

Municipal governments should construct properly equipped marketplaces for the women who sell rural produce. The Haitian state should develop trade policies aimed at protecting the agricultural sector, and take the lead in fixing roads and ports, confronting deforestation and improving systems of water management. Foreign organizations working in the country can help simply by making it a policy to buy food and other goods from local producers.
The DR already helps a lot with Haitian women giving birth in Dominican hospital for, and not kicking all the illegal Haitians out.

 

[CristoRey]

Only those who do not want to face the reality of this particular label when it applicable have the attitude below. Racism is like porn "We all know with when we see it". Unless you choose to turn a blind eye to it.

As a racist white supremacist redneck from
the south, I find that statement to be very offensive

 

[CristoRey]

Talk about beatin a dead horse.
Haitian problems need to be solved
by Haitian people on Haitian soil...
Been saying it for years.

 

[KyleMackey]

For Haiti to be successful they need to restore the system of small farms that was a pillar of Haitian society after independence. The government needs to lead the way in decentralizing the economy, and NGOs can help by supporting agricultural projects and reforestation...etc.

Municipal governments should construct properly equipped marketplaces for the women who sell rural produce. The Haitian state should develop trade policies aimed at protecting the agricultural sector, and take the lead in fixing roads and ports, confronting deforestation and improving systems of water management. Foreign organizations working in the country can help simply by making it a policy to buy food and other goods from local producers.
The DR already helps a lot with Haitian women giving birth in Dominican hospital for, and not kicking all the illegal Haitians out.

They put the whip right back on the slaves, raped and genocided every white person (except a few Germans and Poles) after Independence. Look it is same crap as every African country, get into politics steal as much as you can then leave ASAP. Now there they didn't have Euro brains and colonialism that ended early thus well Africa. Duh.

 

[bob saunders]

They put the whip right back on the slaves, raped and genocided every white person (except a few Germans and Poles) after Independence. Look it is same crap as every African country, get into politics steal as much as you can then leave ASAP. Now there they didn't have Euro brains and colonialism that ended early thus well Africa. Duh.

Not really, they didn't have quite a bit of success locally with small independent farms, growing coffee, cotton....etc. It was when the American took over the country for about thirty years where they forced the Haitian government to allow foreign corporations to buy land and creat large farms, displacing the smaller farmer and forcing them to move to the city.....etc. Start of the downfall.

 

[CristoRey]

Slaves who freed themselves did not get that kind of support.

You are welcome for the history lesson ‼

I think you should go to Haiti and help them fix things.

They put the whip right back on the slaves, raped and genocided every white person (except a few Germans and Poles) after Independence. Look it is same crap as every African country, get into politics steal as much as you can then leave ASAP. Now there they didn't have Euro brains and colonialism that ended early thus well Africa. Duh.

Fear not. Somehow it is and always will be the white man's fault.
Life in a bucket full of crabs. LOL, perhaps they should petition the
U.N. for reperations. Problem solved right? Well, not exactly.

 

[KyleMackey]

Not really, they didn't have quite a bit of success locally with small independent farms, growing coffee, cotton....etc. It was when the American took over the country for about thirty years where they forced the Haitian government to allow foreign corporations to buy land and creat large farms, displacing the smaller farmer and forcing them to move to the city.....etc. Start of the downfall.

That is a total fucking lie. Nobody traded with them because they were genocidal maniacs. Haiti got independence about 110 years before US occupation. Are you Canadian?

 

[bob saunders]

That is a total fucking lie. Nobody traded with them because they were genocidal maniacs. Haiti got independence about 110 years before US occupation. Are you Canadian?

Think you better read up on the history of the good old USA in HAITI.

Why Did the U.S. Military Occupy Haiti From 1915 to 1934?

For nearly two decades, the United States occupied the island nation of Haiti, though the effort did not receive much support from either country.

www.thoughtco.com

The Long Legacy of Occupation in Haiti

A hundred years after the U.S. occupation began, our désocupation has yet to come.

www.newyorker.com

 

[user123]

Think you better read up on the history of the good old USA in HAITI.https://www.thoughtco.com/haiti-the-us-occupation-1915-1934-2136374

Don't waste your time, some people are sooooo dumb you'll never be able to explain anything to them 😂

We've tried in this thread but it didn't work LOL https://dr1.com/forums/threads/haiti-needs-to-get-the-attention-of-the-us.394214/

 

[KyleMackey]

Think you better read up on the history of the good old USA in HAITI.

Why Did the U.S. Military Occupy Haiti From 1915 to 1934?

For nearly two decades, the United States occupied the island nation of Haiti, though the effort did not receive much support from either country.

www.thoughtco.com

The Long Legacy of Occupation in Haiti

A hundred years after the U.S. occupation began, our désocupation has yet to come.

www.newyorker.com

Are you Canadian? Haiti was always destined for greatness!

 

[KyleMackey]

I think you're an idiot, but maybe I'm wrong. What are you blabbing about?

Well if you answering an idiot not good for you. Why are only White countries not allowed to be for whites? Why are all of the other countries only for those people?

 

[user123]

Well if you answering an idiot not good for you. Why are only White countries not allowed to be for whites? Why are all of the other countries only for those people?

WOOW. LOL.
Haiti is 95% black, so it's only for "those people"? Well Albania is 100% whites, so there you go, a country allowed to be for whites. Ireland is over 95% whites. Austria is over 95% whites. Greek over 95% whites. Finland over 95% whites. Denmark over 95% whites. Belarus is 100% whites. The Balkans are 100% whites. I could go on and on... What's your point? 😁🙃

 

[KyleMackey]

WOOW. LOL.
Haiti is 95% black, so it's only for "those people"? Well Albania is 100% whites, so there you go, a country allowed to be for whites. Ireland is over 95% whites. Austria is over 95% whites. Greek over 95% whites. Finland over 95% whites. Denmark over 95% whites. Belarus is 100% whites. The Balkans are 100% whites. I could go on and on... What's your point? 😁🙃

And if Haiti says this country is for Blacks everyone has a party, say that Europe is for whites there is a criminal investigation.

 

[KyleMackey]

BTW the Haitians in the US lawsuit failed to stay past Temp status. It seems they needed to prove more chithole status.

 

[user123]

And if Haiti says this country is for Blacks everyone has a party, say that Europe is for whites there is a criminal investigation.

When did Haiti say it's for blacks only? 😁