Why so many Dominicans with ridiculous names?

LadiiCalii

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irishdomician said:
You see my friend, the first name of a person is not always the one you would try and identify their culture with, it's the last name that holds the history and culture. This name will NEVER change!

Sorry, where as I agree that last names hold history, I do not believe they fully hold culture. Slaves took their masters' last names, but not their cultures. Wives have married into families and gotten last names that will never portray their culture. I know someone with the last name Lopez who does not associate herself with being hispanic because she views her reception of the name as something that occured when her people were enslaved. People have made their names Latin, and others make theirs Anglo.... Last names tell a history, but cannot convey culture accurately.

My child's last name will be Rivera, but culturally, it will be another story.
 

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I understand people wanting names to represent their cultures, but come on! A lot of the culture of DR seems to be of African, Amerindian, and Non-Spaniard European origins, translated into Spanish- so why then are you worried about the authenticity of culture?... and a lot of those traditional Spanish names have their Anglo equivalents. Come on now... Miguel, Jose, Juan, Roberto, Ricardo, Lucia, Carolina, Alberto, Francisco, Maria.... don't they sound vaguely like Anglo names you've heard of?

The core of Dominican culture is Hispanic, and what do I mean by the core? Its language and religion, mainly the language makes 60% of the core. I'm in no way a Hispanophile, nor an Eurocentric; but the sad truth is that African names have long been lost in time, yes due to slavery, and is ridiculous to try to come back with it when there is no way to trace the original African ethnicity, and there isn't even one, you have Yoruba, Igbo, Ewe, Wolof, etc, all mixed in . So your friend found out that she is from some ethnicity in Congo and decides to name her son " Mobutu Sese Seko"?

If you find a Dominican with a name like " Kinta X", the X for the " unknown African ethnicities name" is out of touch with reality and would look much more ridiculous than " McGwire Gutierrez". African ethnicities in present day Africa know their lineage, so is prudent for them to give names to their babies following their history, because they know it. For folks in the Western Hemisphere, having a name in Spanish, French, English, Dutch etc doesn't mean you're a " kissing arse of European slaveowners or forgetting origins in Africa'. It is different from " Jackson Vasquez"; these are recent adaptations rather than " Toribio Diaz" which has been around for centuries.
 
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What about the many Dominicans that have English last names like Thompson, Williams, Chapman... etc?
Should they name their kids Ashley, Matthew, or Mandy even though they have been in the Dominican Republic forever just to make it match? Is that Dominican person with a traditionally non hispanic name lacking culture?
And I am not speaking of the new foreigners. I am speaking about many generations of Dominicans that have been on the island all of this time and still have last names such as those mentioned above.
 

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who cares what people name THEIR kids....

I mean it seems like in your guys perfect world, people that didn't have names to match their ethnicity should be walking around with signs saying " don't let my name George Bell fool you, I was born and raised in the DR of Dominican parents of African decent. Thank You".
 
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irishdomician said:
I mean it seems like in your guys perfect world, people that didn't have names to match their ethnicity should be walking around with signs saying " don't let my name George Bell fool you, I was born and raised in the DR of Dominican parents of African decent. Thank You".
I really couldn't care less what people name their kids. I'm just asking the OP what he thinks in the situation I mentioned above since he feels that first and last names should match or else you are lacking culture.
 

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Dragonfly32837 said:
What about the many Dominicans that have English last names like Thompson, Williams, Chapman... etc?
Should they name their kids Ashley, Matthew, or Mandy even though they have been in the Dominican Republic forever just to make it match? Is that Dominican person with a traditionally non hispanic name lacking culture?
And I am not speaking of the new foreigners. I am speaking about many generations of Dominicans that have been on the island all of this time and still have last names such as those mentioned above.

First , there aren't many " cocolos", if you're referring to " many generations". What percent of the population is that? 2% ?. To answer your question. In this case, yes, they can adopt Spanish names same way Alberto Fujimori's parents in Peru gave him a Spanish name. Like I've said in a previosu post; many Italians in the 1890's gave their babies English names like " Michael, George, etc" and that lineage keeps doing it. ,so they can " blend in" more and face less discrimination just for being Italian. Also many Italian Americans don't speak Italian like their great great grandparents. Tony Soprano doesn't speak Italian. In modern day Italy, vast majority has Italian first names matching thier last names same as " Vito Corleone"

This is different from Pepito Vargas from el sitio, who always has been " mainstream", always have been speaking Spanish and eating platanos, never has been outside the island, and all of the sudden names his baby " Kennedy Vargas" . Why? English names ( in this case, a last name, making it more ridiculous) English name sounds more cool than Spanish ones? Seems like Pepito Vargas just following what " hermano in Nueva Yol did". We have to preserve our heritage. I support what France does in protecting their names and languages from getting contaminated with Anglicims when their own culture is full of beautiful sounding and appropiate names.

People have the freedom to name their kids whatever they want. Unless it is something real hideous like " Extraterrestre Lopez", I do believe the government should get involved in such hideous cases.

If the person doesn't like their given name for x reasons, doesn't have to be " a foreign equivalent" or anything. He/she can change it when they come of age. I've seen many people doing it.
 
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Names

My girlfriend and I were discussing this very topic recently. When we have a child we want to name he/she ..............................Habichuela. Or maybe Jus Soli.
Peace to all,
Tony(but will change it to Sean, Seamus or Padraig when Asopao begins his reign)
 

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I do agree that we must preserve our heritage but I do think that you are making too much of a big deal of this name thing. like dragonfly mentioned...there are Dominicans with last names such as Richards and your suggestion was just to disregard that because they are only 2% of the population (what :eek: ?).

Like I said b4 a name does not define you or me for that matter so what is really the big deal. we have Latin names due to a history of colonization (what is there to be so proud of??). don't get me wrong, I love the mestizo culture (most of it) that has emerged, but lets not get it twisted. we are mixed like it or not (reason we have Garcia's and Richard's in the same country) so why does it bother you so that people name their children with a name from another culture? and many of those names that you do refer to as authentically Latin are mere translations of names from other cultures (i.e. Roberto=Robert). Culture has to do with your lifestyle, not with what your parents decide to call you. It is part of it, but not the whole story. if fact not even the first sentence of the story.

mis dos cheles ;), yari...

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First , there aren't many " cocolos", if you're referring to " many generations". What percent of the population is that? 2% ?. To answer your question. In this case, yes, they can adopt Spanish names same way Alberto Fujimori's parents in Peru gave him a Spanish name. Like I've said in a previosu post; many Italians in the 1890's gave their babies English names like " Michael, George, etc" and that lineage keeps doing it. ,so they can " blend in" more and face less discrimination just for being Italian. Also many Italian Americans don't speak Italian like their great great grandparents. Tony Soprano doesn't speak Italian. In modern day Italy, vast majority has Italian first names matching thier last names same as " Vito Corleone"

This is different from Pepito Vargas from el sitio, who always has been " mainstream", always have been speaking Spanish and eating platanos, never has been outside the island, and all of the sudden names his baby " Kennedy Vargas" . Why? English names ( in this case, a last name, making it more ridiculous) English name sounds more cool than Spanish ones? Seems like Pepito Vargas just following what " hermano in Nueva Yol did". We have to preserve our heritage. I support what France does in protecting their names and languages from getting contaminated with Anglicims when their own culture is full of beautiful sounding and appropiate names.

People have the freedom to name their kids whatever they want. Unless it is something real hideous like " Extraterrestre Lopez", I do believe the government should get involved in such hideous cases.

If the person doesn't like their given name for x reasons, doesn't have to be " a foreign equivalent" or anything. He/she can change it when they come of age. I've seen many people doing it.
 

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I know what you mean!

I know exactly what you are trying to say. They sound ridiculous BUT the thing is that people like to copy other cultures/people. It all has to do with evolution. When time pass by, so does people's taste.

I am not a big fan of naming spanish countries' people with foreign countries' names. But to each their own.

I know someone in the DR named Susie Sue Suarez and most of her family can not even pronounce her name. Care to know what people call her, just to bother her?, "Sucia". She even hates her name.

At least it's nicer than my Mexican friend in Cancun, named Sotero Croromiro Salazar (El 3 nalgas). I even tell him that his parents did not like him that much when he was born and decided to name him that way as punishment!!. LOL.
 

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miguel said:
I know exactly what you are trying to say. They sound ridiculous BUT the thing is that people like to copy other cultures/people. It all has to do with evolution. When time pass by, so does people's taste.

I am not a big fan of naming spanish countries' people with foreign countries' names. But to each their own.

I know someone in the DR named Susie Sue Suarez and most of her family can not even pronounce her name. Care to know what people call her, just to bother her?, "Sucia". She even hates her name.

At least it's nicer than my Mexican friend in Cancun, named Sotero Croromiro Salazar (El 3 nalgas). I even tell him that his parents did not like him that much when he was born and decided to name him that way as punishment!!. LOL.

Miguel( good of you to have Miguel, not Michael ! ), both of them can change their names. The sucia name sounds more hideous than Sotero thou. I don't know if Sotero Croromiro is an actual Spanish name or just was invented out of nowhere. It might be a real old school name, like Ambrosio, Bienvenido, Fortunato, etc. If that is the case, I wouldn't say is ridiculous, more very " archaic".

Susie Sue seems to me like her parents tried to give her a " cool, different, unique" name to her daughter, with an onomatopeia compound too, but like many Dominican parents ;In trying to do so, end of with a ridiculous arse name such as " Jupiter Saturnino Lugo". She can change her name to " Susana" , thus becoming " Susana Suarez", or just get rid of the "Su " combinations altogether , she can get another normal Spanish name like " Gloria Suarez". It is better to have a common , normal Spanish name than some ridicolous name that just brings you trouble with people pronounce it, making fun of it, etc.
 
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asopao

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I do agree that we must preserve our heritage but I do think that you are making too much of a big deal of this name thing. like dragonfly mentioned...there are Dominicans with last names such as Richards and your suggestion was just to disregard that because they are only 2% of the population (what :eek: ?).

Like I said b4 a name does not define you or me for that matter so what is really the big deal. we have Latin names due to a history of colonization (what is there to be so proud of??). don't get me wrong, I love the mestizo culture (most of it) that has emerged, but lets not get it twisted. we are mixed like it or not (reason we have Garcia's and Richard's in the same country) so why does it bother you so that people name their children with a name from another culture? and many of those names that you do refer to as authentically Latin are mere translations of names from other cultures (i.e. Roberto=Robert). Culture has to do with your lifestyle, not with what your parents decide to call you. It is part of it, but not the whole story. if fact not even the first sentence of the story.

mis dos cheles ;), yari...


Good to go, I'm a traditionalist in that sense. ( I'm not a traditionalist in other things, like machismo). But I do keep things as original as possible. My family, my lineage, is having Spanish names. I don't talk that horrible and stupid " Spanglish" like " mira ! vete a comer el lonche en el rufo ! " You are just butchering your language with that. Also I maintain Christmas " original Dominican style", that is just your pesebre and the kids get their presents under the bed from los reyes magos on January 6 , not stupid fat arse Santa Claus that has nothing to do with Christmas and was propagated by the Coca Cola company in the 1920's. I teach my kids to speak proper Spanish, know their history and celebrate true Christmas.

If you want to name your kids " Clinton Vega", go ahead, just to let you know that " names" is not the only thing, is one of many things that Dominicans unknowingly are butchering their heritage with.
 

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This happen for the same reason that there are so many ridiculous last names in english.

Example

Dick
White
Whities
gunman
Flower
hangman
fucker
bioman
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I think its the push to be different.

if you could see my class rolls every semester you would be amazed at what comes up.

This semester I have an AMY pronounced aimi not ahmi and a Sheila, pronounced sheyla not sheela...go figure. I also have a Nelly, but he's a guy..
And from the list of my Judo students I have
Catherine Castro
Hermes Rojas
Nicaury
Warly
Johnny
Estephany
Reuel
Paul, Steven and John Tavarez
Darlen
Kelania
Yohaira
Nelson
Yusef


And those aren't more than a sample.

Now the trend is to combine the parent's first names....I'll get back to you with a few of those...

HB :ermm: :p:p
 

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asopao said:
Good to go, I'm a traditionalist in that sense. ( I'm not a traditionalist in other things, like machismo). But I do keep things as original as possible. My family, my lineage, is having Spanish names. I don't talk that horrible and stupid " Spanglish" like " mira ! vete a comer el lonche en el rufo ! " You are just butchering your language with that. Also I maintain Christmas " original Dominican style", that is just your pesebre and the kids get their presents under the bed from los reyes magos on January 6 , not stupid fat arse Santa Claus that has nothing to do with Christmas and was propagated by the Coca Cola company in the 1920's. I teach my kids to speak proper Spanish, know their history and celebrate true Christmas.

If you want to name your kids " Clinton Vega", go ahead, just to let you know that " names" is not the only thing, is one of many things that Dominicans unknowingly are butchering their heritage with.


Hey your not from Santiago are you ????

If you are exchanging gifts on the 6 of January you are not Celebrating Christmas.

I know of a lady that her parents named "Miami Florida" she is in her 50's so this trend started a while back.

Therefore it is Dominican to have a wierd name or to name your child something stupid that is who we are, that is what we do, dont be embarased by it.
 

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Very interesting

Actually, this has been very interested in this topic for a while now. I even have gone so far as to do a bit of reading and develop some theories. I have come to the conclusion that there are some serious naming similarities between how Dominican and African-Americans name their children.

Here are some links on this that might shine a bit of light on the matter:

* http://www.slate.com/id/2116505/
* http://www.slate.com/id/2116449/
 

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deelt said:
Actually, this has been very interested in this topic for a while now. I even have gone so far as to do a bit of reading and develop some theories. I have come to the conclusion that there are some serious naming similarities between how Dominican and African-Americans name their children.

Here are some links on this that might shine a bit of light on the matter:

* http://www.slate.com/id/2116505/
* http://www.slate.com/id/2116449/

Dammit gotten beaten to the punch :knockedou

First time I read this thread got the exactly same thought but decided not to post due to ..... people possibly over reacting.... I also believe the bad names comes from the folks with lower economic background or country folks.

2 weeks ago on HBO nightstand this comedian (forgot name) was joking about baby names and how there should be a law, Imagine naming a kid with no vowel: mkplgscdph or with 50 Fs: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF...

I'm a traditional type of guy so a chick with a bad name is somewhat of a turn off. If it's a good name I don't care if it's "latino" or anglosaxon, I mean most asian chicks that I know have "american" names from Amy to Janet, etc. So if the asians don't care about naming their kids Amy rather than a Yin-Xia why should dominicans? Afterall aren't asians in DR naming their kids with Latin names rather than asian names.

Peace,
Capo

If you think bad baby names occur just in the Dominican Republic, check these out:

1. Audio Science, son of Shannyn Sossamon and Dallas Clayton
2. Moon Unit, Ahmet Emuukha Rodan, Dweezil, and Diva, children of Frank Zappa
3. Heavenly Hiraani Tiger Lily, Fifi Trixibelle, Peaches Honeyblossom, and Pixie, daughters of the late Paula Yates (Tiger Lily's dad is the late Michael Hutchence; Bob Geldof is father to the other three)
4. Rumer Glenn, Tallulah Belle and Scout LaRue, daughters of Bruce Willis and Demi Moore
5. Pilot Inspektor, son of Jason Lee and Beth Riesgraf
 

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Dammit gotten beaten to the punch :knockedou

First time I read this thread got the exactly same thought but decided not to post due to ..... people possibly over reacting.... I also believe the bad names comes from the folks with lower economic background or country folks.
I agree, although a few upper crust have adopted Anglicisms or Galicisms, is very rare to find a " Saturno Cometa Diaz" around from the upper crust.

capodominicano said:
2 weeks ago on HBO nightstand this comedian (forgot name) was joking about baby names and how there should be a law, Imagine naming a kid with no vowel: mkplgscdph or with 50 Fs: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF...

Several countries do have law that dictate how children should be named, ex: Japan. No way in hell that you can name a child " diablo suzuki" in Japan.

capodominicano said:
I'm a traditional type of guy so a chick with a bad name is somewhat of a turn off. If it's a good name I don't care if it's "latino" or anglosaxon, I mean most asian chicks that I know have "american" names from Amy to Janet, etc. So if the asians don't care about naming their kids Amy rather than a Yin-Xia why should dominicans? Afterall aren't asians in DR naming their kids with Latin names rather than asian names.

Like I've said before, people that are decendants of immigrants, like the Italians, Chinese in the U.S and other countries, usually in the Western Hemisphere, adopted first names of the " mainstream" population. That's why you see " Amy Chang" , because they do it to " fit in", specially Asians that tend to " stick out " more than white/black/mestizo/mulatto masses and even if they are living there for generations, some dummy would always say " when did you come to the U.S? You speak English pretty well ! " . They do it so they don't look " so alien".

In Asia is a different ballgame. There is no need to " fit in". In the U.S Japanese Americans got names like George Tanaka, but in Japan, everybody got a Yamato name. No Anglicisms, no Galicism, Hispanism, nothing. Only people you see with these first names are the Nikkei immigrants from Peru and Brazil doing the menial jobs, because of what I said of " inclusion" in South America. Native Japanese immediately can label you a Nikkei because you have a name like " Jose Nakayama", and your foreign accent when speaking Japanese, even thou they have the same faces. They suffer lots of discrimination. So " Jose Nakayama" would name his son " Tomiichi Nakayama" and his daughter " Hanako Nakayama" as to " blend in" again into society like his parents did back in Peru. Do you get the drift?

Japanese society is very ethnocentric, is always " group mentality" for everything. By law, everybody " overthere" has to get a Yamato name. Even foreigners that want to naturalize are required by law to get a Yamato name. There is one white guy overthere whose name was David Aldwinclke, when he naturalized he had to change his name into Arudou Debito
There is another guy from Finland, changed his name to Marutei Tsurunen. All foreign Sumo wrestlers, even thou they are not citizens, just foreign residents, must adopt a Yamato ring name, like " Akebono, a Hawaian guy.

Back to DR, Pepito Vargas who has been living in a campo all his life, never been out of the island, speaks only Spanish and has been eating platanos all his life, wants to name his son " Jefferson Vargas". Most likely Pepito Vargas doesn't even know what Jefferson means, he just do it because it is a " fad" , his primo in Wash Heights or Providence named his son " Washington Rodriguez". Pepito Vargas is not the son the son of an immigrant like Jose Nakayama from Peru. Pepito Vargas's ancestors have had Spanish names for centuries. There is no need for him to " fit it" so he'll be " less alian"; he is just one more Mulatto from the rest of the majority Mulattoes in DR. He is not like his friend Luisito Wang. There isn't much of a concious of maintaining Hispanic names like in Japan do in maintaining Yamato names.
 
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asopao

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Hey your not from Santiago are you ????.

Haha, NO. Santiago has a reputation for being arrogant, thinking of being more Dominican that the rest, etc. I haven't had the best relations with Santiago people. I'm from South . My parents are from Cibao thou.

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you are exchanging gifts on the 6 of January you are not Celebrating Christmas. .

I've never said that January 6 is Christmas, I just said that is a tradition that I maintain with my family.

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I know of a lady that her parents named "Miami Florida" she is in her 50's so this trend started a while back..

Hahaha, that is shocking ! :eek: You are right, chances are that this trend of deviating from traditional Spanish names came from the time of the Dominican exile into the U.S in the 1950's. Haven't done a research of when this trend started in Dominican society.

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Therefore it is Dominican to have a wierd name or to name your child something stupid that is who we are, that is what we do, dont be embarased by it.

Not in my family. My wife and kids, I would be embarased.
 
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Yari

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Hello...thank you!!

other people name their kids ridiculously too ASOPAO interesting apodo btw ;).

and PS: Asopao can you please stop using the term mulatto it is very derogatory?? preferred term is mestizo, gracias. :bandit:

linamia said:
What says the name police about these names? or are we just dissing Poor undeducted Dominicans again?

Apple
Runner
Wolfgang