Progressive roulette sosua grandbay casino. Sosua

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Nsd1983

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I am 30 year old male. I do not gamble much. I am actually a smart man and earned all my money hard way with honesty. I had all my money saved for last 2 years. I was in puerto plata and was visiting sosua to meet a guy friend who flew from Miami. We were checking out the places and I was invited to play with free 2 coins at progressive roulette at grand bay casino sosua. Because it was free, I got involved.

There have been multiple reports on this fraudulent game. And how many have lost huge money in matter of less than an hour. I did not know this before.

The purpose of the game is to get 100 points which you will never get. In matter of few minutes, I reached 90 which was fraudulent(doesnt matter what numbers are actually thrown, dealer will falsely read it to high numbers at 70 or 80.and cameras won't catch it because the balls are small. Now because its in your favor, you dont question him and think you are very lucky. this is where he will gain your confidence. and within 3 rounds, you are 90 and all you need now is 10 points to win jack pot. but you actually never got those points.. )I was repeatedly told to play the game. And that I will win 800 000 dollars. By next few minutes, I reached 99 and I got stuck there. They started using my debit card repeatedly and ultimate i shed out 43 000 dollars. Ya screw me. It only doubled the bet and the cash price. Now i realized there was something wrong. so i started counting balls and numbers and it was too late then. i checked the machine and see if he was manupulating it. Nope.. the basic psyhcology in this game is the combination numbers are designed in a way that it will not hit 100. you will only be hitting the numbers which will double the bet or get 10-1000 dollars. but you cant quit the game until you hit 100 or else you loose all the money. It was totally a mind game. It has to do with how human psychology works. I am a psychologist and he screwed me.. Ha ha funny. Funny how I earned the degree. Shame on me, real shame.. I have no reason to practice psychology anymore. I am giving it up for good.

I realized by this time it was fraudulent. They told me that they will keep the casino open extra 24 hours just for me. They offered free drinks. They told me to give them good tip when I win and that their children will be happy with just new pair of shoes. . They said once i win then all my debit charges will be cancelled. They said guys in punta Cana have won millions in this game. They said it would be foolish to quit at this point that I have earned 99 in 45 min.. And that casino wants me to quit but that I shouldn't, they said i should call my friends and family if I run out of money. I just looked around at the dead casino with 4 walls. My buddy sitting with me was isolated and told to not give me any advise and that I am playing an intelligent game.. Casino told me that I should send my friend out or not trust him because of so much money that I will win. I told them its ok and I trust him. They asked me where I live so that I will be given extra security once I win such big money. They got my phone number.. They asked me to sign on 30 different documents which included debit card charges, some hand written charges. My buddy asked me if I really thought casino would pay us 800 000 even if I win? I cannot imagine the casino had more than 1000 dollars with them at that time.. I asked them and they said because it was so much money, they will pay 50 000 dollars in hand and rest will be wire transferred or through a cheque. Now they knew i was suspicious and my safety was questioned. But all signatures were completed by that time.

They ultimately froze the game. And said i should play tomorrow and make arrangement for more money as I will win.. Stupid me. I went home and read online reports. I realized that I was just robbed 43 grand.. They asked me where I lived, my number.... I quickly checked out into some far remote hotel.. I threw my phone.. I called my bank to see if I can block the money transfer.. I couldn't because of some federal law.. I told the bank that I was repeatedly threatened to use my card.. My safety was in question. I called the airlines to prepone my flight to the earliest next available so that I can fly out. I flew next morning.

I called the department of casino, finance Dominican Republic to file a complaint. People there seem to be understanding and very helpful. But they asked me to come to Dominican Republic Santa Domingo to file a complaint. Without this they can't do anything. I would want to go there and see if this games can be blocked. I have no hope of getting back any money but I hope other tourists dont get ripped off like I did.

I called the casino and said i am filing complaints. And that its not right thing to do to take money from someone who has genuinely earned. They asked where i was. LOL. They cared less and told me to go ahead and file a complaint.. They said casino pays taxes and has 1000 of complaints which they hardly care. They said that they have it on camera on how excited I was and that I enjoyed the glamor.They said case will run in years and ultimately won't do anything.

While I was flying back, I googled the best lawyer and called him.. He asked me to put down 1000 dollars down payment for him to investigate. He also said that if I get any money back, he will keep 30 percent.


I called office of casino back again and said that I lost the money.. I have very less hope of getting back. I told them that if I could recover the money, I will donate more than half of it to charity so that it will atleast go in good hands. They seemed to be impressed and asked me to come and file a complaint.

If you look at us govt travel website on DR, it warns you to not play progressive roulette or Kano.. I was not aware of them earlier. I was scammed big time. I am just lucky that I am alive. My safety was in question.. I read reports saying how other people were actually threatened and were not be able to leave the casino.. Other who complained to Casino were thrown out...


I will be happy to file a case and try my best to atleast stop such games so that innocent people don't get taken advantage of.. If anybody has gone through what I have, please suggest what I do.. For others please be cautious.. Do not enter casino in third world countries.. You will be dragged into a game where you have zero chance of winning.. And then your safety is also in question..

I have tried every possible way to get money back but all in vain..I am still in shock. Money i lost is huge and was earned hard way. The game is incredibly falsely designed. It's fraudulent. It's all about gaining confidence from players and then manipulating their innocence, trust.
 
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This has been going on for years in the DR and I hear they can get quite rough if you refuse to pay up. It's a pity because if the casinos were more legit, it could be a much better attraction to the country.

That's quite a hit. Suggest you ask for some help from relatives for finances. Don't blame yourself. They have been scamming for a very long time and know how to play on psychology.
 
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Btw, if your *friend* was the one who came up with the idea of going to the casino, there's about a 100% chance he's in on the scam..
 

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This exact same thing happened to our daughter & her husband in the Hamaca Hotel Casino in Boca Chica. And after she left they tried to charge an additional several thousand dollars to her credit card. It's hopeless. I don't believe any lawyer can help, this has been going on for too long, and the Dominican government has to be aware of it and turns a blind eye.
 
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I think that if you can prove that there is NO chance in reaching 100 points, you may have a case, in that case it would be fraudulent game. You would need an expert to testify on your behalf. But if there is at least 0.0001% chance you could win the jackpot, under certain game circumstances (hitting some numbers in some specific order, etc.) you WILL NOT have the case.

I tell you what - you are not alone, and myself during my first days in the DR, got lured into keno game in a Casino in former Melia Santo Domingo (now Sheraton Santo Domingo). I lost 700 bucks. It was not my first casino game (I used to play a lot a 25-cent roulette in Vegas while on business trips there, sipping frozen margharitas all night with 20 bucks in the game) but it was the first and last I bet any real money on. These games are not operated by casinos, they are operated by third parties renting a place from casino (it was the case with Melia). I think they have even been prohibited from most reputable casinos in Santo Domingo. Respectable casinos will no longer allow this game on their premises.

Find out if the casino, the game or its owner is U.S. based/owned. The Keno game I played was owned by some guy from Florida. If the casino/game has ANY U.S. connection, you might be able to sue in Federal Court. If by any chance you live in the same state as the state of "U.S. connection" you could sue also in a state court based on a long arm statute. If you CAN PROVE beyond the preponderance of evidence that the game is fraudulent, and even if the casino/game owner has no U.S. connection, if you received any "invitation" from a hotel to visit the casino, and you visited the hotel with a U.S. based tour operator by a packaged holiday to which you responded based upon any kind of online/or offline advertising, you could even sue the hotel not only under federal statutes, but also in your home state, based upon "significant presence" (see Superior Court of New Jersey, Appellate Division, 2007. 391 N.J.Super. 261, 918 A.2d 27.).

Thinking of it, if you can prove "significant presence" of that casino/hotel in the U.S. (significant presence is defined as actively soliciting business in the U.S.A., -- your lawyer would be able to sort out for you whether significant presence exists) you could sue the casino in the Federal Court even if the casino does not have U.S. owner.

But the "significant presence" or "U.S. connection" is the key to a U>S. court having jurisdiction, and also you would have standing only IF YOU CAN PROVE FRAUDULENT MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS of the game (again you would need an expert witness testimony testifying that you cannot reach 100 points in that game under any circumstances).

To sue for tort of fraud, here is some information: your lawyer will be able to advise you best whether you could bring the case for fraud (but see the above posted comment I made about proving the facts):

The tort of fraudulent misrepresentation, or fraud, involves intentional deceit for personal gain. The tort includes several elements:
1. A misrepresentation of material facts or conditions with knowledge that they are false or with reckless disregard for the truth.
2. An intent to induce another party to rely on the misrepresentation.
3. A justifiable reliance on the misrepresentation by the deceived party.
4. Damages suffered as a result of that reliance.
5. A causal connection between the misrepresentation and the injury suffered.
For fraud to occur, more than mere puffery, or seller’s talk, must be involved.Fraud exists only when a person represents as a fact something he or she knows is untrue.For example, it is fraud to claim that the roof of a building does not leak when one knows that it does. Facts are objectively ascertainable, whereas seller’s talk—such as “I am the best accountant in
town”—is not, because the speaker is representing a subjective view.

Normally, the tort of fraudulent misrepresentation occurs only when there is reliance on a statement of fact. Sometimes, however, reliance on a statement of opinion may involve the tort of fraudulent misrepresentation if the individual making the statement of opinion has superior knowledge of the subject matter. For example,when a lawyer makes a statement of opinion about the law in a state in which the lawyer is licensed to practice, a court would construe reliance on such a statement to be equivalent to reliance on a statement of fact.
 
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Good points rubio.

At the Hamaca, the dealer was American, to make the foreign players 'comfortable' and feel he was 'on their side' . He kept having drinks brought over to them. They were tipsy [not normally drinkers at all] and were initially led to believe they were playing in pesos.

I never considered who owned the game. Good thought!!
 

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Its an old carni (Carnival) type scam. I tried to watch while I was sipping on a drink waiting for a friend and they rushed me away. I guess they were working a mark (A.k.A sucker) Looks like the place is having financially trouble, its been in disrepair and dirty the last few times I have been there.
 
I was a casino dealer in Canada and actually was on the players side as most dealers are unless the person was a total tool!

They make money = better tips and less being called an asshole ;-) A lot different casino scene here apparently!!

I don't get how they can take all that money off your credit card or debit card??!! I thought you just shell out money or convert to chips???!!!!
I have to re-read this!!!

You lost $43,000 on this scam? I'm begging it to be pesos!!! I'm really sorry!
 
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I'm sorry for you as a person but in all honestly....

If it looks too good to be true it usually is...

Casino's are not charity clubs in any country - even less so in La Republica
 

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One born very minute - the worst thing is that the scam starts with the dealer miscounting the balls in the sucker's favour. How can they then complain that they lose the money if they were not honest in the first place?

I used to know 5 of these guys - they keep their heads down and rotate around the Hamaca, Bayahibe, Sosua and a couple of casinos in the capital. They are available to get to know if you do your research - can't mention names on here but these guy all have slightly dirty pasts. In fact anybody who has been around Sosua or Boca Chica for a few years will know them.

What did the dealer call himself?
What did he look like?

Oh and by the way, they are doing this with the knowledge and blessing of EE so they have little to worry about...
 

Luperon

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Yet another reason the DR Government sucks and is to blame. I tell my friends not to gamble in the DR. There is no casino control commission and I am sure no guaranteed minimum payback on slot machines. The only guarantee is that the people making the money are bribing the govt officials in charge of oversight. I will bet on that.

Another case of killing the goose, scaring off tourists.
 

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don't play with the money you are not ready to lose, nobody forced you to go into a casino much less to continue to play !
 

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One born very minute - the worst thing is that the scam starts with the dealer miscounting the balls in the sucker's favour. How can they then complain that they lose the money if they were not honest in the first place?

I used to know 5 of these guys - they keep their heads down and rotate around the Hamaca, Bayahibe, Sosua and a couple of casinos in the capital. They are available to get to know if you do your research - can't mention names on here but these guy all have slightly dirty pasts. In fact anybody who has been around Sosua or Boca Chica for a few years will know them.

What did the dealer call himself?
What did he look like?

Oh and by the way, they are doing this with the knowledge and blessing of EE so they have little to worry about...

What's the "EE"??
 
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CASINO: Sos?a BayHotel: Sos?a Bay
Licencia: Sos?a Oceanfront, C. por A.
Persona responsable: Armando Casciati
Administraci?n responsable: Ori?n de Sos?a, C x A.
Persona responsable: Armando Casciati
 

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Go to Santo Domingo, file your complaint with the department of casinos, then take your copy of the complaint filed with them to the US embassy. Perhaps they can find a way to help you retrieve your money. Good luck!!
 

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CASINO: Sos?a BayHotel: Sos?a Bay
Licencia: Sos?a Oceanfront, C. por A.
Persona responsable: Armando Casciati
Administraci?n responsable: Ori?n de Sos?a, C x A.
Persona responsable: Armando Casciati

Is that current? The casino was sold some months ago. Now the Coral Reef Casino
 
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He must prove fraud. The only way to do is by expert witness testimony. He should start looking online for casino experts. But beware, expert witnesses charge $$$ for court appearance. Only if he can prove U.S. connection of the casino/game operator so that he has a standing to sue, he should bring such expert to testify. But I think this game most likely would have similar defense available as a $5 phonecard that gives you 1000 minutes to Mexico - that under some (very unlikely) circumstances when A happens that leads to B which under circumstances of C being present right at that moment lead to D (desired result). If that is the case (the 0.0001% chance to win), if there exists at least any chance whatsoever of winning, it will not be fraud.

Depending on behavior of other players (the dealer, for example) he could prove fraud or intentional negligence of the dealer, which would result in negligence liability / fraud liability of the casino/game owner because the dealer was acting within the scope of employment as the agent for casino/game operator, but because there are no independent witnesses that can state what exactly was said by whom under which circumstances, and most likely there is no longer any CCTV recording of the event (and if there was, CCTV does not record audio), he would be virtually unable to prove any fraud/negligence on the side of the dealer. Only way to have any chance to win such case is by proving the game itself was fraudulent. Again, this only applies, if a U.S. connection can be proven (e.g. significant presence, as meant by actively soliciting business, or bank accounts of the owner or of the casino/game operator within the U.S., etc.) so that he would have standing to sue in the U.S.

Otherwise, it is a lost cause and a warning to others. He wont be able to do almost anything within the DR related to this case (complaint will not be answered or will be denied, etc.).
 
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