Video: Haiti Revolution in a Nutshell

PeterInBrat · Apr 16, 2015

No mention of the DR. That was sometime later.

[video=youtube;5A_o-nU5s2U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A_o-nU5s2U[/video]

Very good Youtube channel!

GWOZOZO · Apr 16, 2015

PeterInBrat said:
No mention of the DR. That was sometime later.

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Of course no mention of DR.

DR played no part in the Haitian revolution or even in haitian history.

Xavier_Onassis · Apr 17, 2015

Napoleon conquered Spain, and forced it to give its overseas possessions, including Louisiana and what is not the DR, to France. The inhabitants of the DR were not cool with this, and founded what was known as La Republica Boba, which did not last long.

For a 12 minute summary, this is a very good article on Haiti. To include the DR would take at least another 12 minutes for even a summary.

For Americans, the most important thing that happened was that the Haitian defeat of Napoleon's army caused Napoleon to give up on the Americans and sell Louisiana to the US, because he knew that if he did not, someone else (the British or the Americans were the most likely) would seize it by force.

PeterInBrat · Apr 17, 2015

Yes, it's much more complicated than I had imagined, esp with the poor whites being unhappy that there could be free blacks living better than they did.

In another video, he mentions that only about 10% of slaves were imported to the US, but it was only in the US where the relatively humane conditions kept the mortality rates below the import rates and women were healthy enough to have babies.

Garyexpat · Apr 17, 2015

Xavier_Onassis said:
Napoleon conquered Spain, and forced it to give its overseas possessions, including Louisiana and what is not the DR, to France. The inhabitants of the DR were not cool with this, and founded what was known as La Republica Boba, which did not last long.

For a 12 minute summary, this is a very good article on Haiti. To include the DR would take at least another 12 minutes for even a summary.

For Americans, the most important thing that happened was that the Haitian defeat of Napoleon's army caused Napoleon to give up on the Americans and sell Louisiana to the US, because he knew that if he did not, someone else (the British or the Americans were the most likely) would seize it by force.

Another reason why Napoleon sold the Louisiana territory was that he needed the cash to fight his war(s) and didn't want to borrow from the banks (the Rothschilds were anxious to finance both sides of the war which they did in part and every war since then).

K-Mel · Apr 17, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
Of course no mention of DR.

DR played no part in the Haitian revolution or even in haitian history.

Well the Spanish authorities of Santo Domingo armed some rebels of the Haitian revolution : Biassou, Dessalines, Toussaint, Jean Fran?ois etc were all spanish soldiers and some even retired up as high military officers with a pension. The Spaniards of Santo Domingo armed the rebels in order to get back this part of the island stolen by the French hoodlums of the 17th.

The Haitian revolution caused trouble in the (future) DR , because the slaves in Spanish Santo Domingo started rebelling too. The Boca Nigua slave rebellion (1796) was due to the trouble in French Saint Domingue.

And lastly one of the first impact of The Haitian revolution in the Spanish Santo Domingo was the 1st slave emancipation in 1801 (around 15000 slaves).

These two countries are like siamese brothers, and Haitian revolution has had an impact in the DR (past, present..).

This video is fair regarding what happened during this Haitian revolution, I agree.

Xavier_Onassis · Apr 17, 2015

Toussaint founded the city of Barahona, I assume because it was a useful protected seaport. The ocean is pretty rough along the coast, and Barahona has this peninsula that extends across a fairly deep harbor.

I have read that the slaves of Santo Domingo were also freed, and before the decree was widely known, many slaveholders rounded up their slaves and moved to Puerto Rico and Cuba, where slavery was still legal.
The mostly White slaveholders and the mostly African slaves left the DR, leaving behind the mostly mulatto free people of color.

GWOZOZO · Apr 17, 2015

K-Mel said:
Well the Spanish authorities of Santo Domingo armed some rebels of the Haitian revolution : Biassou, Dessalines, Toussaint, Jean Fran?ois etc were all spanish soldiers and some even retired up as high military officers with a pension. The Spaniards of Santo Domingo armed the rebels in order to get back this part of the island stolen by the French hoodlums of the 17th.

The Haitian revolution caused trouble in the (future) DR , because the slaves in Spanish Santo Domingo started rebelling too. The Boca Nigua slave rebellion (1796) was due to the trouble in French Saint Domingue.

And lastly one of the first impact of The Haitian revolution in the Spanish Santo Domingo was the 1st slave emancipation in 1801 (around 15000 slaves).

These two countries are like siamese brothers, and Haitian revolution has had an impact in the DR (past, present..).

This video is fair regarding what happened during this Haitian revolution, I agree.

You have only shown the Haitian impact on DR history.

There was no Dominican impact on the Haitian revolution.

The players were St-Domingue, France, Spain and Britain.

And no, they are not siamese brothers.

Naked_Snake · Apr 17, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
You have only shown the Haitian impact on DR history.

There was no Dominican impact on the Haitian revolution.

The players were St-Domingue, France, Spain and Britain.

And no, they are not siamese brothers.

Going by your logic, then Haitians had no impact at all in the American Revolution, since the gens de couleur fighting in Savannah were basically subjects (or ex-slaves) of the French king at the time.

GWOZOZO · Apr 17, 2015

Naked_Snake said:
Going by your logic, then Haitians had no impact at all in the American Revolution, since the gens de couleur fighting in Savannah were basically subjects (or ex-slaves) of the French king.

Exactly, Haiti had no impact on the American revolution.

And DR played no part in the Haitian revolution and that is why it is not mentioned in any story about the Haitian revolution.

K-Mel · Apr 18, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
You have only shown the Haitian impact on DR history.

There was no Dominican impact on the Haitian revolution.

The players were St-Domingue, France, Spain and Britain.

And no, they are not siamese brothers.

Nah, I also said that spanish santo domingo (future dominican republic) armed the rebels during the Haitian revolution. If we follow your logic , it is the French who freed the slaves in Santo Domingo in 1801 (since Toussaint and his army were considered French citizens, plus Haiti officially existed in 1804), not the Haitian revolution. Being picky (may be for nationalists reasons) cannot erase the truth.

And we also know that the main element which triggered the slave rebellion was the killing of Og? and his companion Chavannes, delivered by Spanish Santo Domingo to the French, after taking refuge in Santo Domingo. What would have happened if they had protected Og? instead of abandonning him to the French punishment (broken on a wheel) ?

Spanish ruled Santo Domingo in that period but in the Spanish army you had also creoles (future dominicans). Toussaint and Dessalines were first spanish soldiers hence gained their military experience for "European Style of War" (Toussaint's war tactics were studied in St-Cyr/Military school, Dessalines was a bruto but intelligent military leader) in Santo Domingo. Haitian revolution succeeded because your military leaders were trained in European war tactics either in Santo Domingo, or in France (P?tion), it was not a maroon revolution without discipline.

Last Haitians called the future dominicans "panyol" or "espagnol" which is the translation of Spaniards.

K-Mel · Apr 18, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
Exactly, Haiti had no impact on the American revolution.

And DR played no part in the Haitian revolution and that is why it is not mentioned in any story about the Haitian revolution.

I agree on the American revolution, because Polish soldiers fought alongside the Haitians during the revolution, however the Haitian revolution sucess belongs to the Haitians (blacks and mulattoes).

On the other hand the impact of the Haitian revolution in the caribbeans (triggered the movement of emancipation in the British colonies including Jamaica), and South America is undeniable.

See Robin Blackburn : "The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery 1776-1848"

GWOZOZO · Apr 18, 2015

K-Mel said:
Nah, I also said that spanish santo domingo (future dominican republic) armed the rebels during the Haitian revolution. If we follow your logic , it is the French who freed the slaves in Santo Domingo in 1801 (since Toussaint and his army were considered French citizens, plus Haiti officially existed in 1804), not the Haitian revolution. Being picky (may be for nationalists reasons) cannot erase the truth.

And we also know that the main element which triggered the slave rebellion was the killing of Og? and his companion Chavannes, delivered by Spanish Santo Domingo to the French, after taking refuge in Santo Domingo. What would have happened if they had protected Og? instead of abandonning him to the French punishment (broken on a wheel) ?

Spanish ruled Santo Domingo in that period but in the Spanish army you had also creoles (future dominicans). Toussaint and Dessalines were first spanish soldiers hence gained their military experience for "European Style of War" (Toussaint's war tactics were studied in St-Cyr/Military school, Dessalines was a bruto but intelligent military leader) in Santo Domingo. Haitian revolution succeeded because your military leaders were trained in European war tactics either in Santo Domingo, or in France (P?tion), it was not a maroon revolution without discipline.

Last Haitians called the future dominicans "panyol" or "espagnol" which is the translation of Spaniards.

The nationalist sentiments are showing on your side. Giving DR a role in an event which it had none.

Spain does not mean DR and France does not mean Haiti.

It was indeed the French who first freed the slaves. Not because Toussaint was a french general but simply because the decision came from France.

That was however undone.

The same french under Napoleon reestablished slavery in the colonies but met resistance in St-Domingue resulting in the Haitian revolution.

The Haitians fought France with Spain and Britain as side players.

Open any history book or view any story on the Haitian revolution and there is no role worth mentioning by DR or the people of the colony of Santo-domingo.

GWOZOZO · Apr 18, 2015

K-Mel said:
I agree on the American revolution, because Polish soldiers fought alongside the Haitians during the revolution, however the Haitian revolution sucess belongs to the Haitians (blacks and mulattoes).

On the other hand the impact of the Haitian revolution in the caribbeans (triggered the movement of emancipation in the British colonies including Jamaica), and South America is undeniable.

See Robin Blackburn : "The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery 1776-1848"

Because polish soldiers fought??????? what is the connection.

Also only a minority of polish soldiers deserted Napoleon's side.

Haiti did not play a role in the american revolution because there was no free Haiti to play any role. It was a slave colony.

Of course the Haitian revolution had an impact on the entire hemisphere and the established order. I am not disputing that part.

K-Mel · Apr 18, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
The nationalist sentiments are showing on your side. Giving DR a role in an event which it had none.

Spain does not mean DR and France does not mean Haiti.

It was indeed the French who first freed the slaves. Not because Toussaint was a french general but simply because the decision came from France.

That was however undone.

The same french under Napoleon reestablished slavery in the colonies but met resistance in St-Domingue resulting in the Haitian revolution.

The Haitians fought France with Spain and Britain as side players.

Open any history book or view any story on the Haitian revolution and there is no role worth mentioning by DR or the people of the colony of Santo-domingo.

French , first freed the slaves in Haiti, because they needed military forces to fight the English, and Spanish. Slave emancipation was proclaimed by Sonthonax in August 1793, which caused Toussaint to leave the Spaniards for the French.

However I was not talking about this event, but the events of 1801 when Toussaint conquered the future DR (who belonged to France since 1795) to proclaim the 1st slave emancipation in Spanish Santo Domingo.

Open books on the Haitian revolution ? It seems that you haven't because there is not one book from Thomas Madiou, Beaubrun Ardouin to CLR James, Laurent Dubois or Philippe Girard which doesn't explain the interactions (impacts on both sides) between the future Haitians and Dominicans, which occurred during the Haitian revolution.

GWOZOZO · Apr 18, 2015

K-Mel, you keep pointing out Haitian actions inside the territory that would later become DR.

The generals flirting with Spain to antagonize the French were good war tactics. They were dealing with Spain and France.

Interraction does not equate contribution. There were interractions with Cuba, Jamaica, USA, the antilles and others.

You show nothing of DR involvement/contribution that is worthy of note on anything written or said about the Haitian revolution.

Using your faulty logic, you might as well credit Dominicans for every action by Spain around the world.

K-Mel · Apr 18, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
Because polish soldiers fought??????? what is the connection.

Also only a minority of polish soldiers deserted Napoleon's side.

Haiti did not play a role in the american revolution because there was no free Haiti to play any role. It was a slave colony.

Of course the Haitian revolution had an impact on the entire hemisphere and the established order. I am not disputing that part.

What is the connection ? This is what I wrote " ..because Polish soldiers fought alongside the Haitians during the revolution, however the Haitian revolution sucess belongs to the Haitians (blacks and mulattoes)...".

French (including future Haitians) fought alongside Washington & co during the American Revolution, but the sucess of this (liberal) revolution belongs to the American founding fathers not to the French. I was doing the same comparison between the Polish soldiers fighting the French during the Haitian revolution: the success of the Haitian revolution belongs to the haitian rebels.

I have never said that this American revolution was impacted by the French or the future Haitians to be. Hope this is clearer.

GWOZOZO · Apr 18, 2015

K-Mel said:
What is the connection ? This is what I wrote " ..because Polish soldiers fought alongside the Haitians during the revolution, however the Haitian revolution sucess belongs to the Haitians (blacks and mulattoes)...".

French (including future Haitians) fought alongside Washington & co during the American Revolution, but the sucess of this (liberal) revolution belongs to the American founding fathers not to the French. I was doing the same comparison between the Polish soldiers fighting the French during the Haitian revolution: the success of the Haitian revolution belongs to the haitian rebels.

I have never said that this American revolution was impacted by the French or the future Haitians to be. Hope this is clearer.

No K-Mel, It is not clearer. You are all over the map.

There is no however. The few polish soldiers who deserted Napoleon were not a factor in the revolution.

K-Mel · Apr 18, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
K-Mel, you keep pointing out Haitian actions inside the territory that would later become DR.

The generals flirting with Spain to antagonize the French were good war tactics. They were dealing with Spain and France.

Interraction does not equate contribution. There were interractions with Cuba, Jamaica, USA, the antilles and others.

You show nothing of DR involvement/contribution that is worthy of note on anything written or said about the Haitian revolution.

Using your faulty logic, you might as well credit Dominicans for every action by Spain around the world.

Please don't speak about logic because you seem to lack one, there is not one action of cause without consequense or reaction in real life.

In history classes they call this " historic causality" or "causalit? historique" .

- Haiti would not exist if the French hoodlums had not stolen this piece of the land of Spanish hispaniola

- Haitian revolution would have not occurred without the French revolution of 1789 and the liberal revolution of French planters who wanted to govern themselves without French metropolis intervention (inspired themselves by the liberals in US who fought the British to govern themselves and create the USA)

- Haitians leaders military skills were gathered alongside spanish soldiers in Santo Domingo, or alongside the french themselves. And they got their guns in what is now the DR at the beginning of the Haitian revolution. Without those guns, the french forces would have crushed the rebels.If it is not a contribution what is is then ? Tu es de mauvaise foi, en plus d'avoir une logique d?faillante (gangr?n?e par un nationalisme ridicule...)

- The first slave rebellion in Haiti (in 1691), was instigated by a mulato from Santo Domingo

- Slaves from Saint Domingue took refuge in Spanish Santo Domingo (minas) before the Haitian Revolution, Slaves from Santo Domingo would take refuge in Haiti during the Haitian revolution.

Etc, etc this is why I said that you guys are siamese brother, because your histories are linked and interacted one to another (if interaction is not contribution you need to go back to school man), there is not one book of haiti revolution without mentioning the DR from Thomas Madiou (who starts with the history of spanish santo domingo) to Price Mars.

K-Mel · Apr 18, 2015

GWOZOZO said:
No K-Mel, It is not clearer. You are all over the map.

There is no however. The few polish soldiers who deserted Napoleon were not a factor in the revolution.

They fought Leclerc hence they contributed to the Haitian revolution. No ?

Ps: A force de vouloir jouer l'intellectuel, tu parais encore moins intelligent

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