Question About Problem With Administrator & Council Of Apartment Complex

jimmythegreek

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Hello-I am posting this thread here, because I am having quite a difficult time with the Administrator and Council of the apartment complex that I live in.

Since I moved into the complex and bought an apartment, there have been continual increases in the monthly condo association fee 'mantenimiento', including extraordinary quotes outside the monthly for other projects.

From the beginning, I requested that there be an audit of the condo's finances and both the Administrator and Council have fought and denied that request claiming there is no money to do an audit and if we want an audit, then we will have to pay for it. Is this normal?

Looking through the rules of the apartment complex, it appears there is an article that states that the Administrator must do an annual account for the finances-audit?-to which it appears they are not doing whatsoever.

Moreover, the Administrator was delivering statements every month or 2 months with the state of the expenses for the complex, but that ended in December, 2014 and now there have been no reports for 1 year.

I would like to know what recourse, as an owner, that we have against the Administrator and/or Council, if there have been improprieties taking place in the finances?

Is it normal that the Administrator and Council do not want to audit the finances of the apartment complex?

What is the best way to proceed against them in this instance?

Thank you.
 

Drro

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My suggestion is get legal advice, our condo bldg uses Guzman in Sosua. It's my understanding that in order to raise the fees, there must be a vote taken at the annual meeting or at an extraordinary meeting and all owners have a vote. And at the annual meeting the administrator gives an annual report of income/expenses and a budget for the next year which must be approved. I am not an attorney, so my strong suggestion is to contact one and see what your rights are.
 

jimmythegreek

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My suggestion is get legal advice, our condo bldg uses Guzman in Sosua. It's my understanding that in order to raise the fees, there must be a vote taken at the annual meeting or at an extraordinary meeting and all owners have a vote. And at the annual meeting the administrator gives an annual report of income/expenses and a budget for the next year which must be approved. I am not an attorney, so my strong suggestion is to contact one and see what your rights are.

Thank you for the advice-I've been to a number of the meetings over the last several years since I bought the apartment and it never seemed that there was a 'Quorum' of the owners for them to make any votes at the meetings. Also, the last meeting, I don't remember seeing any annual report of the income and expenses for the property. I will probably have to call Guzman Ariza for counsel.
 

Drro

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We never have a quorem at our annual meeting. What happens is the bylaws say we can reconvene in 2 hours and then we go about out business, without a quorem!
 

DRdreaming

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According to Dominican condo law, the books should be available to any owner, upon request to the administrator. The books should include a listing of owners, and their payments, as well as a list of expenses, and corresponding receipts. I believe the fees may increase no more than 10% per year, and if there is a special assessment, it can be no more than one month's fees, and also only once per year.

You would need to see if any amendment was made to your bylaws that allows more than this.

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avi8or57

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Time for change!

We never have a quorem at our annual meeting. What happens is the bylaws say we can reconvene in 2 hours and then we go about out business, without a quorem!

You need a new administration quickly!!!! Something shady going on with YOUR MONEY!!! No quorum, no meeting! No financial report or budget presented by Administrator; time to find a new one!!! No meeting minutes reflecting owner's votes; illegal meeting!

Good luck.
 

Fabio J. Guzman

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You have the legal right to be informed about the financial status of the condo association, as well as to obtain copies of condo resolutions raising maintenance fees, etc.

You should consult a lawyer about how to obtain this information and documentation in case condo management refuses to give it to you.
 

jimmythegreek

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You have the legal right to be informed about the financial status of the condo association, as well as to obtain copies of condo resolutions raising maintenance fees, etc.

You should consult a lawyer about how to obtain this information and documentation in case condo management refuses to give it to you.


Well the problem is not getting access to the financial records of the condo association, the problem is the integrity of those records that can only be verified by a third party audit.

Secondly, the issue of the mismanagement-mishandling of monies due to a lack of a proper budget and cost controls.

Even if we get the records, the question is how to deal with the lack of an audit and budget.
 

rogerramjet1

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There is an association /group of homes and apartments near cabarete. 10 years ago there was an administrator who allowed his friends up the road from the electricity generator to connect to this generator...they received electricity for YEARS and they paid HIM directy. all sewerage and other integral services worsened. Money was paid to over priced service providers.
This man now manages as administrator a set of apartments on the way into cabarete on the east side.
Advice from12 years experience with the DR; don't take your eyes of the money for an instant... NOT ONE SECOND. Observe and re-verify that jobs are completed/started. i watch every f@#King body
 

bloody67

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According to Dominican Law Blah Blah Blah , look 1. Your are in the DR , the Administartor here employ themselves, family and friends to make end meet welll above and beyound. Yes they must show books , records etc ,,,, and they will not , forget about it ,, get a lawyer spend money and still nothing will change,,, Foreigners just dont get it. Look unless you get a HUGE amount of your Dominican owners to participate in demanding the administrator go or show , your in a slowww painfullll longggg Battle that you will wil but get no RESULTS.

Court instructions here in particular CIVIL mean nothing until you satisfy the right pockets , anyway they the administrator have bills to pay and they need that money for their car note , school fees ... party and social life ,, so they contract amongst the clicks and you are gonna pay ... now here is the bright side;;;;; you can refuse to pay for months even years ...let it accumulate and at the same time look for someone to BUY your place and just get the hell out of their.

Or stay and fight the fight , round 1 ,2 ,3 4, 5, 6,. 7,8 9 ...your a foreigner ...YOU LOSE

I am an island Boy first and foremost....I tell it like it is
 
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jimmythegreek

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According to Dominican Law Blah Blah Blah , look 1. Your are in the DR , the Administartor here employ themselves, family and friends to make end meet welll above and beyound. Yes they must show books , records etc ,,,, and they will not , forget about it ,, get a lawyer spend money and still nothing will change,,, Foreigners just dont get it. Look unless you get a HUGE amount of your Dominican owners to participate in demanding the administrator go or show , your in a slowww painfullll longggg Battle that you will wil but get no RESULTS.

Court instructions here in particular CIVIL mean nothing until you satisfy the right pockets , anyway they the administrator have bills to pay and they need that money for their car note , school fees ... party and social life ,, so they contract amongst the clicks and you are gonna pay ... now here is the bright side;;;;; you can refuse to pay for months even years ...let it accumulate and at the same time look for someone to BUY your place and just get the hell out of their.

Or stay and fight the fight , round 1 ,2 ,3 4, 5, 6,. 7,8 9 ...your a foreigner ...YOU LOSE

I am an island Boy first and foremost....I tell it like it is

Apparently, this is why the group of owners in my apartment complex have done nothing to date about the problem. However, now I am hearing some rumblings of owners that are looking to oust the Administrator soon. This is the only real recourse that we have as owners.
 

jimmythegreek

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Apparently, this is why the group of owners in my apartment complex have done nothing to date about the problem. However, now I am hearing some rumblings of owners that are looking to oust the Administrator soon. This is the only real recourse that we have as owners.

So a few weeks ago the Administrator of the building turned off our gas, because we would not pay the monthly association fee at the exact time that they wanted and also extraordinary quotes we did not pay for the year in response to their lack of accountability with handling the money of the building.

This morning, I went and looked at the area where the gas is turned on and off for the apartments-they put a steel cover over the controls with the ability to lock the box, but it remains unlocked. This was an expense not approved in any of our meetings by the owners and now the Administrator and Council of the building are making decisions on their own without a quorum meeting of the owners.
 

bloody67

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Unfortunate , but normal here in the DR .. You may be best directed to just act like a unruly Dominican ,,, unfortunately thats what most respect , put ya foot down. If you paid your gas , and they cut it off , break the dam lock off and cut it back on, their is nothing legally they can do , just have the receipts. The administrator has the power to put a box over the gas lines , he will say to protect it , but he or she HAS NO power or business turning you off if you paid, People in life only get away with what you
allow, look knuckle him up real good , or spend a few thousand pesos to have it done for you .... belive me their are always many takers about ....stop leting him walk on you , thats your choice .....
 

jimmythegreek

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Unfortunate , but normal here in the DR .. You may be best directed to just act like a unruly Dominican ,,, unfortunately thats what most respect , put ya foot down. If you paid your gas , and they cut it off , break the dam lock off and cut it back on, their is nothing legally they can do , just have the receipts. The administrator has the power to put a box over the gas lines , he will say to protect it , but he or she HAS NO power or business turning you off if you paid, People in life only get away with what you
allow, look knuckle him up real good , or spend a few thousand pesos to have it done for you .... belive me their are always many takers about ....stop leting him walk on you , thats your choice .....

I do not think the Administrator or the Council have the right to make any additions to the building without a vote of the owners in a meeting with a quorum present.

In terms of cutting the gas off, even if you did not pay the entire amount being asked, the question remains about the accountability of the spending by the Administrator and Council in the apartment complex.
 

jimmythegreek

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Legal recourse is much more effective than what some posters above think.

Well finally we received some reporting after 14 months on Xmas Eve day! LOL. The problem is that you can only verify certain line items like cost for water or electricity, since you can go to the source and request the monthly statements from Edesur-CAASD. Line items of labor costs, maintenance, extraordinary, other costs, etc require to pull all the receipts from the administrator and do an audit.
 

chic

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There is an association /group of homes and apartments near cabarete. 10 years ago there was an administrator who allowed his friends up the road from the electricity generator to connect to this generator...they received electricity for YEARS and they paid HIM directy. all sewerage and other integral services worsened. Money was paid to over priced service providers.
This man now manages as administrator a set of apartments on the way into cabarete on the east side.
Advice from12 years experience with the DR; don't take your eyes of the money for an instant... NOT ONE SECOND. Observe and re-verify that jobs are completed/started. i watch every f@#King body

i always knew that this adm. job is a great one....i was almost into a beatiful apt deal in the cap. and all i had to do was make sure that the adm. got 2k$pd mensual and with 60 apts it added up to alot of money...i looked at the bldg...clean...garbage free...but not really kept up well... i figured this guy for almost 800us aweek...
i did not buy the place... should have