The "have" and the "have not" --> Crime

jw2004

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The have and have not is an age old problem. Now compound by the drop in us$, the recent inflation in price and the street drug problem. May be the next things will be an increase in Aids because of the sex trade.
After reading this post, I seem to know even "more" about living in DR.
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Ever since new government went into effect and before prices have been rising on everything including basic food staples. If I feel the pinch then I am certain those living in the barrio feel it. Fact is they are starving. It isn't the fault of Leonel but it is a fact here in the present. And then the dollar drops substantially and those remittances from abroad suddenly are not doing the job. If I lived in the barrio and I wasnt making it for my family on my meager earnings, then I would be a thief also. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my family. That is a fact.

I personally will be fine with the situation the way it is and so will all of you. But are we to say burn these poor people alive. Are we still, as human beings, so barbaric.

The problem with the entire world is the state of the distribution of wealth. The reason we have terrorism is this distribution of wealth. Most of us here know that...even if we choose not to admit it. Even though we choose to do and say what we may to protect what we have. Well, at least sometimes talking in such evil terminology makes us feel better, safer, more in control.

My question is just...to The Haves....to The Wealthy....when will you have enough? When will you have enough that it allows you to be a human being and allows you to say...okay, lets start changing the situation here so that these people can eat. Don't you think they need to eat...to drink clean water...to have a roof that does not soak the house when the rains come. Can they afford medicine. Can they afford to buy just basic furniture for their homes. Can they buy toilet paper, or toothpaste, or a diaper for their baby.

The focus of the economy has moved far to the right of those in the barrio. Those who control the markets could care less. Their new focus is on the dominicans returning from abroad with money. If the poor cannot keep up...F### Them. Price the products accordingly...so that those to the left will buy it. Some to the right can buy it. Most to the right cannot. But who cares. We just want to get ours while the getting is good.

New Dominicans/Wealthy Middle Class Low Middle Poor
[_________________] [__________][___________][_________________]


So, those to the far right sometimes have to steal. I would. I might even kill. You might also. Kill or be killed. Oh you say, "I would work" you are already working. I have friends in the barrio that make 4000 pesos a month building the fences, gates, etc. with iron. They are exhausted at the end of the day. Now my question is...can this guy actually feed his family of four on 4000 pesos? Of course, why do we have religion. Why do we have religion? We know it is a tool to keep the masses in check.

Interesting...Kill or be killed...I was thinking...that is the same way that the terrorist think. They feel that their entire culture is at stake. If they allow the USA and the west to continue the way they have been, they fear that they will die off. So they decide to take a stand. They don't have super powerful bombs like the USA...but they do have the willingness to blow themselves up. That is pretty powerful.

Have you ever seen the movie Apocalype Now. Marlon Brando says at one point...he his talking about the North Vietnamese ability to go into a town and cut off all the arms of the little children who had been innoculated by the American troops....he says, "If I had 10 battalions of men like that, this war would be over very quickly". That is not an exact quote but pretty close. He goes on to talk about the Willingness of these men who have families, who are fathers to little children...their willingness to do that.

I tell people that I don't think the Iraq war can be won by the USA. I think the muslim world...and damn is the muslim world large or what...I think they believe that if the USA wins in Iraq then the USA will not be happy with just one country. The USA has in so many terms stated that their desire is to change the middle east...does that mean making it more like the west. I think the insurgents in Iraq are being funded from all over the muslim world. I think they will keep going to Iraq and keep going and keep going until they overturn the current government and the USA leaves. Just like Vietnam...only it is not a jungle and thus you don't see the massive casualities like you did in Vietnam. You would have to seal off the entire border and have a guard posted every so many feet. And that may not do the job. And then you would have to keep it like that forever. Well, that is an impossible feat...we know that.

We need to work as individuals in what little way we may...to help create a world where this type of thought does not need to exist. Where a man never has to choose a willingness to steal, or kill in order to survive. The problem lies within ourselves and the solution does also.

Otherwise we are destined to become a world where...I am sure you have seen the sci-fi movies about societies of the future that are in chaos. The USA will see terrorism on USA soil again.........and again.......and again. In fact terrorism will exist here also in the good ole DR. It will exist everywhere.
Will we destroy ourselves or at least create a world where we walk around contaminated from nuclear fallout...where masses of people die from chemical attacks.

The best way to start is to educate yourself. And then take what you know and try to make a connection with others. Try to understand and accept people for who they are regardless of color, race, religion, sexual preference, etc.

A man steals a cow and you lynch him? It is a damn cow. There are other more humane ways to handle the situation.

I encourage intelligent conversation.
 

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jw2004 said:
The have and have not is an age old problem. Now compound by the drop in us$, the recent inflation in price and the street drug problem. May be the next things will be an increase in Aids because of the sex trade.
After reading this post, I seem to know even "more" about living in DR.
====================================================
Ever since new government went into effect and before prices have been rising on everything including basic food staples. If I feel the pinch then I am certain those living in the barrio feel it. Fact is they are starving. It isn't the fault of Leonel but it is a fact here in the present. And then the dollar drops substantially and those remittances from abroad suddenly are not doing the job. If I lived in the barrio and I wasnt making it for my family on my meager earnings, then I would be a thief also. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my family. That is a fact.

I personally will be fine with the situation the way it is and so will all of you. But are we to say burn these poor people alive. Are we still, as human beings, so barbaric.

The problem with the entire world is the state of the distribution of wealth. The reason we have terrorism is this distribution of wealth. Most of us here know that...even if we choose not to admit it. Even though we choose to do and say what we may to protect what we have. Well, at least sometimes talking in such evil terminology makes us feel better, safer, more in control.

My question is just...to The Haves....to The Wealthy....when will you have enough? When will you have enough that it allows you to be a human being and allows you to say...okay, lets start changing the situation here so that these people can eat. Don't you think they need to eat...to drink clean water...to have a roof that does not soak the house when the rains come. Can they afford medicine. Can they afford to buy just basic furniture for their homes. Can they buy toilet paper, or toothpaste, or a diaper for their baby.

The focus of the economy has moved far to the right of those in the barrio. Those who control the markets could care less. Their new focus is on the dominicans returning from abroad with money. If the poor cannot keep up...F### Them. Price the products accordingly...so that those to the left will buy it. Some to the right can buy it. Most to the right cannot. But who cares. We just want to get ours while the getting is good.

New Dominicans/Wealthy Middle Class Low Middle Poor
[_________________] [__________][___________][_________________]


So, those to the far right sometimes have to steal. I would. I might even kill. You might also. Kill or be killed. Oh you say, "I would work" you are already working. I have friends in the barrio that make 4000 pesos a month building the fences, gates, etc. with iron. They are exhausted at the end of the day. Now my question is...can this guy actually feed his family of four on 4000 pesos? Of course, why do we have religion. Why do we have religion? We know it is a tool to keep the masses in check.

Interesting...Kill or be killed...I was thinking...that is the same way that the terrorist think. They feel that their entire culture is at stake. If they allow the USA and the west to continue the way they have been, they fear that they will die off. So they decide to take a stand. They don't have super powerful bombs like the USA...but they do have the willingness to blow themselves up. That is pretty powerful.

Have you ever seen the movie Apocalype Now. Marlon Brando says at one point...he his talking about the North Vietnamese ability to go into a town and cut off all the arms of the little children who had been innoculated by the American troops....he says, "If I had 10 battalions of men like that, this war would be over very quickly". That is not an exact quote but pretty close. He goes on to talk about the Willingness of these men who have families, who are fathers to little children...their willingness to do that.

I tell people that I don't think the Iraq war can be won by the USA. I think the muslim world...and damn is the muslim world large or what...I think they believe that if the USA wins in Iraq then the USA will not be happy with just one country. The USA has in so many terms stated that their desire is to change the middle east...does that mean making it more like the west. I think the insurgents in Iraq are being funded from all over the muslim world. I think they will keep going to Iraq and keep going and keep going until they overturn the current government and the USA leaves. Just like Vietnam...only it is not a jungle and thus you don't see the massive casualities like you did in Vietnam. You would have to seal off the entire border and have a guard posted every so many feet. And that may not do the job. And then you would have to keep it like that forever. Well, that is an impossible feat...we know that.

We need to work as individuals in what little way we may...to help create a world where this type of thought does not need to exist. Where a man never has to choose a willingness to steal, or kill in order to survive. The problem lies within ourselves and the solution does also.

Otherwise we are destined to become a world where...I am sure you have seen the sci-fi movies about societies of the future that are in chaos. The USA will see terrorism on USA soil again.........and again.......and again. In fact terrorism will exist here also in the good ole DR. It will exist everywhere.
Will we destroy ourselves or at least create a world where we walk around contaminated from nuclear fallout...where masses of people die from chemical attacks.

The best way to start is to educate yourself. And then take what you know and try to make a connection with others. Try to understand and accept people for who they are regardless of color, race, religion, sexual preference, etc.

A man steals a cow and you lynch him? It is a damn cow. There are other more humane ways to handle the situation.

I encourage intelligent conversation.

Watch out!! Some people in this forum feels that Being "materially rich" means being "espiritually rich" When we start to share what we do not really need with other human beings, we'll not see the likes of "fidel castro" "che guevara" and others.
 

NALs

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jw2004 said:
The have and have not is an age old problem. Now compound by the drop in us$, the recent inflation in price and the street drug problem. May be the next things will be an increase in Aids because of the sex trade.
After reading this post, I seem to know even "more" about living in DR.
====================================================
Ever since new government went into effect and before prices have been rising on everything including basic food staples. If I feel the pinch then I am certain those living in the barrio feel it. Fact is they are starving. It isn't the fault of Leonel but it is a fact here in the present. And then the dollar drops substantially and those remittances from abroad suddenly are not doing the job. If I lived in the barrio and I wasnt making it for my family on my meager earnings, then I would be a thief also. I would do whatever I had to do to feed my family. That is a fact.

I personally will be fine with the situation the way it is and so will all of you. But are we to say burn these poor people alive. Are we still, as human beings, so barbaric.

The problem with the entire world is the state of the distribution of wealth. The reason we have terrorism is this distribution of wealth. Most of us here know that...even if we choose not to admit it. Even though we choose to do and say what we may to protect what we have. Well, at least sometimes talking in such evil terminology makes us feel better, safer, more in control.

My question is just...to The Haves....to The Wealthy....when will you have enough? When will you have enough that it allows you to be a human being and allows you to say...okay, lets start changing the situation here so that these people can eat. Don't you think they need to eat...to drink clean water...to have a roof that does not soak the house when the rains come. Can they afford medicine. Can they afford to buy just basic furniture for their homes. Can they buy toilet paper, or toothpaste, or a diaper for their baby.

The focus of the economy has moved far to the right of those in the barrio. Those who control the markets could care less. Their new focus is on the dominicans returning from abroad with money. If the poor cannot keep up...F### Them. Price the products accordingly...so that those to the left will buy it. Some to the right can buy it. Most to the right cannot. But who cares. We just want to get ours while the getting is good.

New Dominicans/Wealthy Middle Class Low Middle Poor
[_________________] [__________][___________][_________________]


So, those to the far right sometimes have to steal. I would. I might even kill. You might also. Kill or be killed. Oh you say, "I would work" you are already working. I have friends in the barrio that make 4000 pesos a month building the fences, gates, etc. with iron. They are exhausted at the end of the day. Now my question is...can this guy actually feed his family of four on 4000 pesos? Of course, why do we have religion. Why do we have religion? We know it is a tool to keep the masses in check.

Interesting...Kill or be killed...I was thinking...that is the same way that the terrorist think. They feel that their entire culture is at stake. If they allow the USA and the west to continue the way they have been, they fear that they will die off. So they decide to take a stand. They don't have super powerful bombs like the USA...but they do have the willingness to blow themselves up. That is pretty powerful.

Have you ever seen the movie Apocalype Now. Marlon Brando says at one point...he his talking about the North Vietnamese ability to go into a town and cut off all the arms of the little children who had been innoculated by the American troops....he says, "If I had 10 battalions of men like that, this war would be over very quickly". That is not an exact quote but pretty close. He goes on to talk about the Willingness of these men who have families, who are fathers to little children...their willingness to do that.

I tell people that I don't think the Iraq war can be won by the USA. I think the muslim world...and damn is the muslim world large or what...I think they believe that if the USA wins in Iraq then the USA will not be happy with just one country. The USA has in so many terms stated that their desire is to change the middle east...does that mean making it more like the west. I think the insurgents in Iraq are being funded from all over the muslim world. I think they will keep going to Iraq and keep going and keep going until they overturn the current government and the USA leaves. Just like Vietnam...only it is not a jungle and thus you don't see the massive casualities like you did in Vietnam. You would have to seal off the entire border and have a guard posted every so many feet. And that may not do the job. And then you would have to keep it like that forever. Well, that is an impossible feat...we know that.

We need to work as individuals in what little way we may...to help create a world where this type of thought does not need to exist. Where a man never has to choose a willingness to steal, or kill in order to survive. The problem lies within ourselves and the solution does also.

Otherwise we are destined to become a world where...I am sure you have seen the sci-fi movies about societies of the future that are in chaos. The USA will see terrorism on USA soil again.........and again.......and again. In fact terrorism will exist here also in the good ole DR. It will exist everywhere.
Will we destroy ourselves or at least create a world where we walk around contaminated from nuclear fallout...where masses of people die from chemical attacks.

The best way to start is to educate yourself. And then take what you know and try to make a connection with others. Try to understand and accept people for who they are regardless of color, race, religion, sexual preference, etc.

A man steals a cow and you lynch him? It is a damn cow. There are other more humane ways to handle the situation.

I encourage intelligent conversation.
So you want communism?

Capitalism is about me taking the wealth that belongs to me and if you are not strong enough to secure your wealth, I'll take yours too.

Capitalism is based on greed. In the first world, people could not stand the disparities that exist in capitalism and so, they incorporated some communist ideas into their societies (ie. Welfare, public housing, food stamps, etc), but that is to give a false sense of prosperity, despite the fact that blight still prevails.

The US is 30% communist or socialist and 70% capitalist. The government there lets you live according to capitalistic forces until you reach a level of poverty that capitalism makes possible, then the government acts like a communist state giving people grants! If it wasn't for that, New York City and other towns in the US would continue to have the slums that existed there until the 1940s, slums that were not too different from the ones found on the outsquirts of SDQ and elsewhere.

Face it, Capitalism is cruel, but its the most efficient economic system known to men. If you got something better, spill it.

Otherwise, learn how to capture the most possible amounts of income to come to you. The money is out there, all you have to do is create a channel so some of it can come to your hands. The only good way of doing that is by rendering humble service that further helps society.

Thus, start a business that helps satisfy a need in a given society.

Then again, if you want the DR to become rich on a per capita GDP basis over night, then encourage up to 80% of the poor to get on a yola and try to reach Puerto Rico. The more of them leave, the more money there will be to go around for those who stay in the DR.

But, as long that the poor keep enlarging their sector of the population, there will be less and less money in the average poor household, but the rich will continue to be just as rich as they are now, but their percentage of wealth from the total population will rise, not because their wealth will rise. Instead, because the wealth of the poor on a per capita will fall.

Many people celebrate everytime a child is born into an impoverished family. I in the other hand, just keep wondering what is the point for these people to bring another child. That child will just be one more part of the problem for the income distribution among the poor.

Sometimes I even wonder if Saving the Children Foundation is doing more good than bad. They save starving children in 3rd world and 4th world countries and many people feel good that they saved another children. I ask, for what?

That child will then grow up in that underdeveloped country and live a life of misery because of the over population of the poor which makes their share of wealth smaller and smaller as their population grows.

Sometimes I wonder if it would have been better to let that child starve before he/she even had a chance to live the living hell of severe poverty all his/her life.

Think about it, all those Dominicans risking their lives to get to Puerto Rico. I wonder what their mothers are thinking about them bringing that child to this world. Their mothers must be devastated that they brought that child, so that child then would risk his life on yola to reach Puerto Rico, if he makes it. It would have been better if the child was never born, at least that would have prevent one more misery.
 

Berzin

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Ahem...

unequal wealth distribution will not be solved by the poor having less children. You are speaking of individual cases of poverty that are indeed sad and are made worse by people having children they cannot afford to feed. But when you see the IMF and how they deal with loans, interest rates and how they demand that markets in developing countries be open to "competition" as a prerequisite for attaining these loans, putting local farmers and industries out of business then one has to wonder where it is you are coming from.
From the time Columbus set foot on Hispaniola, it has been about ecenomic exploitation and it continues today. Capitalism is not bad per se, but you seriously need to check yourself if you think the form of capitalism practiced by the IMF and countries like the US do not do harm to developing nations.
 

Texas Bill

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My BIG QUESTION is........

Just what exact form of economics would all of you sobbing hand-wringers put into place???

Communism has proven that it won't work on a large scale scenario.
Socialism in it's truest ( and most of the time, in it's adulterated ) forms isn't really practical since it, like communism, stifles individual incentives. Then you have an even bigger problem...Anarchy!

You can try and do all the 'explaining' you want to, but until you come up with a practical solution to the world economic problem, you're just whining and the masses do enough of that for all of us.

I agree that the world is in a helluva mess when millions are dying of starvation and diseases, that their governments can't seem to get a handle on the problem, that the UN and other 'do-gooder' (spelled "charity") organizations run 5 minute TV ads asking for donations, that there are those who commit genocede for their own reasons..........we could go on and on with all these scenarios and 'reasons' for such activities ad nausium, but what good does it really do except to divide the populations into camps of opposition which can't, don't and won't do anything constructive to alleviate the problem.

I am convinced, that since the first groups of humans walked this planet of ours, we have had those who posess the incentives, the wherewithall, and the common sense to provide for themselves and to guard against those who would take, or attempt to take that which didn't belong to them for whatever rationalized reasons they come up with.

Anytime you begin to seperate the masses into the haves and have-nots you create the ugly ogre of economic jealousy. At what level of financial status do you make these seperations? What is this 'poverty level' that government organizations refer to. At what point does a person suddenly find himself above the 'poverty' line (and that is seperated by a single penny, centavo, whatever) and in that area where his plight is disregarded? We all tend to regard ourselves as 'not really well off' regardless of our annual income. Poverty is in the realm of being relative to each other within our own mileau. That sometimes is skewed by a population growth which exceeds the ability to produce enough foodstuffs ( also caused by drought and inefficient farming methods ) to feed the existing population.

We have to ask ourselves if it is incumbent upon the well-off ( nations or individuals ) to give up what they have and reduce themselves to the level of those who are in need? I think not. This world has progressed (?) on the primise of 'survival of the fittest' through it's entire evolutionary development and I don't think we, as human creatures, are equipped mentally or physically to refute nor change that. it's not in our nature to do so. I believe history will bear me out on that.

So, we have an insoluable conundrum. I can see no way to keep some people from starving. The world would eventually become bankrupt then we would surely have anarchy.

Texas Bill
 

NALs

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Texas Bill said:
Just what exact form of economics would all of you sobbing hand-wringers put into place???

Communism has proven that it won't work on a large scale scenario.
Socialism in it's truest ( and most of the time, in it's adulterated ) forms isn't really practical since it, like communism, stifles individual incentives. Then you have an even bigger problem...Anarchy!

You can try and do all the 'explaining' you want to, but until you come up with a practical solution to the world economic problem, you're just whining and the masses do enough of that for all of us.

I agree that the world is in a helluva mess when millions are dying of starvation and diseases, that their governments can't seem to get a handle on the problem, that the UN and other 'do-gooder' (spelled "charity") organizations run 5 minute TV ads asking for donations, that there are those who commit genocede for their own reasons..........we could go on and on with all these scenarios and 'reasons' for such activities ad nausium, but what good does it really do except to divide the populations into camps of opposition which can't, don't and won't do anything constructive to alleviate the problem.

I am convinced, that since the first groups of humans walked this planet of ours, we have had those who posess the incentives, the wherewithall, and the common sense to provide for themselves and to guard against those who would take, or attempt to take that which didn't belong to them for whatever rationalized reasons they come up with.

Anytime you begin to seperate the masses into the haves and have-nots you create the ugly ogre of economic jealousy. At what level of financial status do you make these seperations? What is this 'poverty level' that government organizations refer to. At what point does a person suddenly find himself above the 'poverty' line (and that is seperated by a single penny, centavo, whatever) and in that area where his plight is disregarded? We all tend to regard ourselves as 'not really well off' regardless of our annual income. Poverty is in the realm of being relative to each other within our own mileau. That sometimes is skewed by a population growth which exceeds the ability to produce enough foodstuffs ( also caused by drought and inefficient farming methods ) to feed the existing population.

We have to ask ourselves if it is incumbent upon the well-off ( nations or individuals ) to give up what they have and reduce themselves to the level of those who are in need? I think not. This world has progressed (?) on the primise of 'survival of the fittest' through it's entire evolutionary development and I don't think we, as human creatures, are equipped mentally or physically to refute nor change that. it's not in our nature to do so. I believe history will bear me out on that.

So, we have an insoluable conundrum. I can see no way to keep some people from starving. The world would eventually become bankrupt then we would surely have anarchy.

Texas Bill
I agree with you, however, do you really think this world has progressed?

This is a world where around 15% of the world's population indulges in 95% of the world's resources. That leaves the other 85% of the world's population scrapping a living out of the remaining 5% of resources.

We live in an extremely impoverished world. Just how people say the DR is a third world place and that the rich live in a bubble, so too is the world as a whole. First worldlers live in a bubble because the average country on earth is actually poorer than the DR to start with!
 

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Agree With Bill

I agree with TB. Capitalism is not the problem. Corruption is. Theft, murder. It happens in many ways. The rich steal to improve their situation. The poor steal to improve their situation. Various people at all economic levels steal and kill. This happens in the DR. the US, in Canada....it happens all over the world.

There is one small difference. People at a lower end of the economic scale in North America generally steal and kill to feed a drug habit. Although this happens in developing countries too, more people in third world countries steal and kill just to feed themselves.

So, I say, it comes back to corruption. Truly honest people don't kill and steal. Dishonest ones do. Whether rich or poor. Capitalism is not the problem. Corruption is. There are poor people all over the world working honestly at very hard jobs, just to feed themselves and their families, because they aren't corrupt.

Now if we could just get more of these hard working honest folks in government. Then, instead of stealing from their own country, and making their own people's economic situation even worse, they'd be making a positive impact on the long term economic stability of their country and their people. Less people would be starving. (I know, I know...dream on.)

I just seems to me that honesty is what's needed most to fix the world's and the DR's ills.

My two cents worth,

Justin
 

Texas Bill

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Well, whhile I must agree with...............

Many of the bleeding hearts on this board about the level of poverty that exists in the world, I really can't sympathize with them very much.

Just how many of those people do any more than groan, moan and carry-on about the "problem" when they take no action themselves to alleviate the suffering endemic to the poverty stricken???

I don't see them going out into the 'barrios' and handing out money, food, clothes, etc., etc. So where do they get off telling the rest of theworld that "something MUST be done"??????

I'm getting a little fed up with all this "Saint-izing" about the situation and the throwing of blame onto the "haves" all the time. maybe they should start looking in the mirror and asking themselves "why don't you do something constructive. All this p%ssing and moaning is just another way to focus the spotlight on themselves as saints and the rest of the world as devils.

As for me, I'm going to take care of me and mine FIRST, LAST and ALWAYS!!!
And I think most of the rest of the people in this world will always do the same, else we wouldn't have the robberies, killings, etc., etc. and blaming it on the poverty level of any particular country!!!!

That said, I'll sit back and see how much flack I get from the "DO-GOODERS SOCIETY".

Bet it'll be a bunch.

Texas Bill
 

NALs

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Texas Bill said:
Many of the bleeding hearts on this board about the level of poverty that exists in the world, I really can't sympathize with them very much.

Just how many of those people do any more than groan, moan and carry-on about the "problem" when they take no action themselves to alleviate the suffering endemic to the poverty stricken???

I don't see them going out into the 'barrios' and handing out money, food, clothes, etc., etc. So where do they get off telling the rest of theworld that "something MUST be done"??????

I'm getting a little fed up with all this "Saint-izing" about the situation and the throwing of blame onto the "haves" all the time. maybe they should start looking in the mirror and asking themselves "why don't you do something constructive. All this p%ssing and moaning is just another way to focus the spotlight on themselves as saints and the rest of the world as devils.

As for me, I'm going to take care of me and mine FIRST, LAST and ALWAYS!!!
And I think most of the rest of the people in this world will always do the same, else we wouldn't have the robberies, killings, etc., etc. and blaming it on the poverty level of any particular country!!!!

That said, I'll sit back and see how much flack I get from the "DO-GOODERS SOCIETY".

Bet it'll be a bunch.

Texas Bill
Well, believe it or not, it brings me some relief to know that TBill has this way of thought!

This is the way of thought that all wealthy people that I know have, even people who were poor at one point in their lives.

Especially those newly riches. They tell stories of how they used to bad mouth rich for being rich and he being poor, but once he became rich he realized why the rich are the way they are.

For those of you who don't personally know any newly riches, just study the behavior of famous newly riches like Sammy Sosa or other baseball players in particular.

Prior to all the millions, they had that look of poverty in their eyes and they walked with that slightly poor person's walk, meaning almost careless. Look at them now, they walk with their head high, they stand up straight, they look at you with eyes filled with prosperity and in return you also realized that their current way of thought is a thought process that further embraces and yields, in many cases, more prosperity! And these were poor people at one time!

Dreams and riches will come true, only to those willing to pay the price for it!

And that leads me to my favorite quote which is:

"In this world there is no such thing as something for nothing, in the end everybody get's what they paid for"

Copy this, print this and paste it everywhere you are going to see it. Imbedded in your mind and make a part of who you are. Sooner or later, your subcounscious actions will be conducted in such a way that yields prosperity because you realize that if you do nothing, nothing will you get. If you want something, then something you must give. End of story.
 

cork

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poverty equals terrorism?

The top three terrorists in the world are multi-millionaires.

There are leaders and followers in every society. The leaders set in motion the way to get wealth by using those who cannot lead (followers)


cork
 

Guatiao

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I agree with your statement but it also shows why the poor hate the rich. Imagine a poor man become rich than not give back to the poor yet use the media to paint him as a saint (aka Sammy Sosa), the one reason I stopped liking Sosa. But I do agree most rich people have a me first attitude (I cant blame them), I sometimes hear gossip about the "haves" in the world and boy I tell you I can't imagine a person spenging $400,000 on the new Bently Continental GT Coupe while so many starve, oh well.

PS I know a few millioniares not Dominican Pesos Million but American Dollars.

Nal0whs said:
Well, believe it or not, it brings me some relief to know that TBill has this way of thought!

This is the way of thought that all wealthy people that I know have, even people who were poor at one point in their lives.

Especially those newly riches. They tell stories of how they used to bad mouth rich for being rich and he being poor, but once he became rich he realized why the rich are the way they are.

For those of you who don't personally know any newly riches, just study the behavior of famous newly riches like Sammy Sosa or other baseball players in particular.

Prior to all the millions, they had that look of poverty in their eyes and they walked with that slightly poor person's walk, meaning almost careless. Look at them now, they walk with their head high, they stand up straight, they look at you with eyes filled with prosperity and in return you also realized that their current way of thought is a thought process that further embraces and yields, in many cases, more prosperity! And these were poor people at one time!

Dreams and riches will come true, only to those willing to pay the price for it!

And that leads me to my favorite quote which is:

"In this world there is no such thing as something for nothing, in the end everybody get's what they paid for"

Copy this, print this and paste it everywhere you are going to see it. Imbedded in your mind and make a part of who you are. Sooner or later, your subcounscious actions will be conducted in such a way that yields prosperity because you realize that if you do nothing, nothing will you get. If you want something, then something you must give. End of story.