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    The DR and Haitian POOR can not afford to build houses with concrete roofs and walls.

    The houses which killed the majority of Haitians contained concrete roofs, walls with some homes having multiple floors.

    So, the vast majority of the deaths associated with the QUAKE fell upon the Haitian middle class and upper classes.

    Thus, those who thought most protected due to their economic stability were the ones most affected.

    THE IRONY OF LIFE!

    Food for thought-

    If I'm wrong, then please correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onions/Carrots View Post
    The DR and Haitian POOR can not afford to build houses with concrete roofs and walls.

    The houses which killed the majority of Haitians contained concrete roofs, walls with some homes having multiple floors.

    So, the vast majority of the deaths associated with the QUAKE fell upon the Haitian middle class and upper classes.

    Thus, those who thought most protected due to their economic stability were the ones most affected.

    THE IRONY OF LIFE!

    Food for thought-

    If I'm wrong, then please correct.
    The vast majority of Haitians living in PAP are poor.... in that they live on less than $1 or $2 a day, That applies to 80% of the population. The bidonville.. or the slums... have been stacked on top of one another around the city.. even Petionville--- on land to which there are not titles. The Haitians live crowded in... many many people per room, most without proper sanitation,

    If you have been to Guatemala City, then you have seen this sort of building.

    Or exiting Santo Domingo to the West.

    But there is a great difference between rural and urban poverty.

    70& of the population of Haiti is still rural... unlike here, I think. There are other cities but PAP holds the bulk of the urban density.. other cities like Gonaives, Cap Haitian, Les Cayes.. are built up but mostly single stories.. not stacked on the mountains as PAP was.

    Of course, there has not been a census in Haiti since.,,,, well.. probably Papa Doc...I would think.

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    What are you looking for, unless you have money to send in trucks of supplies then more manpower is not needed? (excluding medical professionals)
    If you want to just get there and chance it then I can organize that for you.

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    I am referencing the fact that the poor in Hispaniola live in tin shacks. Tin or what we Dominicans call "zing", don't know the spelling actually, will not kill you like a slab of concrete, concrete blocks, or a concrete roof a with re-bar frame supporting it.

    The homes of the poor are typically made of this corrugated metal (zing) which is usually old, porous and held up by rotting slabs of wood.

    Those that are even poorer live in homes assembled from "hojalata" or metal cylindrical cracker containers which have been hammered down to produce thin plate-like sheets which are combined with other "hojalata" plates to form walls.

    These two types of homes in Hispaniola constitutes the living quarters of the vast majority of the poor.

    Some poor able to afford concrete block home usually don't have what we call, "empanete" or pure cement finishing giving it that smooth appearance upon which you can paint your house. The cost of one "funda de cemento" prohibits the poor from engaging in an "empanete" finish since it requires many "fundas" or sacks of cement to produce that smooth silky cement finish. It's like a smooth spread on a sandwich.

    Most poor families do not have concrete roofs either which in a quake is a sure death. Thus, the reason for this thread. If you were extremely poor in Haiti with a tin shack, those elements falling on your head did not kill you.

    OTOH, if you were well to do or modestly well off, those concrete roofs smashed your head into a goo of bone, brain and blood.

    And if you were wealthy, your multi-story VILLA pancaked on top of you and your families in a way that you became an unrecognizable pile of tissue with cracked bone matter.

    What I have witnessed in the CNN reports are homes with concrete roofs, "empanete, painted homes, re-bar structures, etc. Thus, my belief that the middle class and upper class are the ones who have been disproportionately decimated in this catastrophe.

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    understand but graphic

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    Quote Originally Posted by calverde View Post
    understand but graphic
    Sorry, but I am trying to drive the POINT home on the distinction between concrete falling on your body and thin, very thin sheets of corrugated metal.

    One will kill you while the other will give you a headache.

    Thus, the rich believing their houses offered protection and security were in a DEATH TRAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onions/Carrots View Post
    Thus, the rich believing their houses offered protection and security were in a DEATH TRAP!
    Death to all people who aren't dirt poor - they must deserve it.

    BTW, I suppose you live in a cardboard box?

    Also, what about the people who were living in a rented apartment - did they deserve it too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Death to all people who aren't dirt poor - they must deserve it.

    BTW, I suppose you live in a cardboard box?

    Also, what about the people who were living in a rented apartment - did they deserve it too?
    Death comes to everyone, rich and poor alike.

    When it happens to tens of thousands at a single blow (20 tens and counting, here) the demographics don't matter. The humanity does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chip View Post
    Death to all people who aren't dirt poor - they must deserve it.

    BTW, I suppose you live in a cardboard box?

    Also, what about the people who were living in a rented apartment - did they deserve it too?
    You're ridiculous CHIP. The post references my idea that probably more rich than poor died.

    That's all, no mention of who deserved what.

    It just happens to be that being dirt poor in this instance probably saved you.

    Here's another tidbit. The poor of Hispaniola usually are always outdoors. The poor only come inside to eat and sleep. All social interaction takes place outdoors.

    Dirt poor don't have bank accounts or go to supermarkets. These two were cratered in this quake.

    A collapsing "zing" house won't kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calverde View Post
    understand but graphic
    Very, and kind of pointless.

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