Marco Rubio the creationist

[Tailspin]

Neither of you have proven anything.

Windeguy, you don't rail against the Flying Spaghetti Monster for some reason. Nice try though. I still don't believe you.

And, tailspin, I have placed the burden of proof on you. Your words aren't enough to prove anything.

That makes zero sense.. I'm guessing that was your goal.

 

[Big Dan]

Non sequitur. I said human societies developed belief systems.

Chirimoya..

Does logic apply to both animals and humans?

Is logic strictly a human belief system?

 

[Big Dan]

That makes zero sense.. I'm guessing that was your goal.

Of course it makes no sense to you. Atheists, when asked to prove they are atheists, can't. You instead tried to shift the burden of proof to me. I asked you, and I expect an answer from you.

 

[Mauricio]

I would be happy to provide a fact-based anthropological analysis on how moral codes developed as human societies became more complex, and the role that belief systems played in enforcing these codes and laws, but it isn't exactly a barrel of laughs and this, after all, is the Clown Bin.

I acknowledge there is development in moral systems, however, do you think there is or ever was anywhere a time or place where hiding and running away for a fight / confrontation would be considered the right thing to do? Or where take everything you can get at the expense of others would be applauded at? The basis of any moral system is an universal moral law that is given, did not develop or come into being.

 

[Tailspin]

The creation testifies of the existence of a Creator, what more proof do you need. One must be as blind as a bat to look around you, see the sky, stars, moon, sun, the mountains, flowers, animals, the functioning of your own body, etc. and stubbornly think, this all came to being by chance, there is no one who designed this, no one who created it, no one who made me, there is no one I once will need to settle accounts with.

For someone whose eyes are opened it's crystal clear from creation there ?s a God. And that's just one of the proofs we and all around us did not spontaneously come into being.

The problem with that logic is this: You say it is impossible to look at the world around us and make the case that it "just happened".. Yet for what you believe to be true something of infinite more magnitude in complexity (God) had to just *poof* be there.. How can #1 not be possible but #2 be possible?

 

[Tailspin]

Of course it makes no sense to you. Atheists, when asked to prove they are atheists, can't. You instead tried to shift the burden of proof to me. I asked you, and I expect an answer from you.

I have a signed certificate from the Absolute atheist club if that will help...

 

[Mauricio]

Well, it's obvious you do not understand the word theory. I guess you don't believe on the "theory" of gravity, either.

I think you are the one who doesn't understand the word 'theory'. Newton's theory of gravity predicts what a falling object is supposed to do or how bodies in the sky are supposed to move, part of that theory is the LAW of gravity. Newtons theory seems to be a rather good at predicting those movements, it's still a theory though, while many assumptions are still made. However we can see with our own eyes there is a LAW of gravity, nothing to believe there, we can think or believe the theory of gravity is correct while accurately predicting what the law of gravity does.

The big bang theory though is a whole other breed. We don't know how we came into being. We don't want to believe in a superior Being having created everything, so we create a theory that explains how it could have happened, making the necessary assumptions to make it 'work'. However deliberately forgetting that the creation shows organization and design and that main assumption that all came into being spontaneously therefore doesn't make sense.

 

[Lucifer]

It is my belief that Pres. Barack Obama is an atheist as well. In '08 he made remarks similar to Rubio's, and we called him on it. I even volunteered to work on his campaign. Still...

Unfortunately, it's the political reality in the U.S.: claim religion and get your votes. It's a joke politicians pull on delusional voters. Now it's Rubio's turn to make a fool of himself.

 

[Mauricio]

The problem with that logic is this: You say it is impossible to look at the world around us and make the case that it "just happened".. Yet for what you believe to be true something of infinite more magnitude in complexity (God) had to just *poof* be there.. How can #1 not be possible but #2 be possible?

There was no "moment" God was not there, there was no "moment" God just *poof* appeared. I dont want to use the word God was always there, while that doesn't cover it.

God just 'is', not subject to the time, He created. No past, no future, just 'I am who I am'. Or how Jesus Christ said it: Before Abraham was, AM I. That doesn't make any sense, if you don't realize that God isn't subject to time. I'm probably taking it to far now, this is becoming a theological discussion, but while Jesus died on the cross in the year 33 AD, the bible says He was 'slaughtered before the foundation of the world'. There is a lot more to God's reality than we can understand.

 

[Lucifer]

We don't know how we came into being..

Speak for yourself.

 

[frank12]

You must be an atheist. I don't believe there are atheists because they are simply unable to prove that they don't believe in religion.

I've never had an atheist convince me that he is one. Ever.

Big Dan,

Millions of people believe in Vampires, Bigfoot and Horoscopes, but i do not. Does that mean that they exist because i cannot disprove them?

The logic of religious people floors me, dumbfounds me, and perplexes me.

ME: "I believe in Vampires, the Tooth Ferry, and Santa Clause but you, Big Dan do not. That's great. Now prove to me that Vampires, Tooth Ferry, and Santa Clause do not exist?

I'll be waiting patiently here for your answer.

FRank

 

[frank12]

The Definition of Atheism:

Atheism: The belief that...No! Stop right there! Atheism is a lack of a belief in any ideology or deities. It is not a "belief system." You don't call a disbelief in Vampires, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Ferry a "Belief system" do you? you don't go around telling people, "It takes faith not to believe in Vampires, Santa Claus, or the Tooth Ferry." Atheism is not a claim...it is a rejection of a claim. Do you go around trying to prove that Vampires and the Tooth Ferry do not exist? Of course not. There is simply no good reason to think that they do. All intelligent adults know that any unsubstantiated belief is stupid.

Frank

 

[Big Dan]

Big Dan,

Millions of people believe in Vampires, Bigfoot and Horoscopes, but i do not. Does that mean that they exist because i cannot disprove them?

The logic of religious people floors me, dumbfounds me, and perplexes me.

ME: "I believe in Vampires, the Tooth Ferry, and Santa Clause but you, Big Dan do not. That's great. Now prove to me that Vampires, Tooth Ferry, and Santa Clause do not exist?

I'll be waiting patiently here for your answer.

FRank

They have come out of the woodwork! LOL!

I have made the original assertion that atheists cannot prove they are atheists; nothing more. And, the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

Now, you are the fourth person who has brought up "logic". I mean, you assert logic, but it isn't tactile. Strange.

Is logic a material thing? Is it strictly a human thing? Who created it, and when?

 

[Chip]

Non sequitur. I said human societies developed belief systems.

I see your "non sequitur" response and raise it a "non sequitur" because it was obviously in response to my assertion that we humans are different because of our moral belief system.

Back to square one.

 

[Lucifer]

I have made the original assertion that atheists cannot prove they are atheists;

Deep thoughts. But not the Jack Handey variety.

 

[Lucifer]

I see your "non sequitur" response and raise it a "non sequitur"
Back to square one.

Is this a new take on Pee Wee Herman's line: I know you are, but what am I?

 

[Chip]

What is ironic to say the least is that many atheists bash Christians as being irrational and illogical because they believe in a "supposed" intangible being and yet quickly run and hide or divert the conversation when pressed to explain why their theories are facts.

You guys have nothing that proves anything other than your own vanity and lack of logic.

At the very least a logical atheist would be willing to contend they can't prove their theories as facts any more or less than we can.

 

[Chirimoya]

Chirimoya..

Does logic apply to both animals and humans?

Is logic strictly a human belief system?

Logic doesn't come into it. The evidence is around us

 

[Chip]

I would recommend you a few books--and would personally deliver them to you in Santiago next month--on the moral landscape, but...

I'll be glad to meet you here in Santiago but can't promise I will have time to read a book. I'm studying and working 2 jobs to make ends meet.

 

[Tailspin]

They have come out of the woodwork! LOL!

I have made the original assertion that atheists cannot prove they are atheists; nothing more. And, the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

Now, you are the fourth person who has brought up "logic". I mean, you assert logic, but it isn't tactile. Strange.

Is logic a material thing? Is it strictly a human thing? Who created it, and when?

Four people have told you that what you are saying makes about as much sense as saying "The sky is made of marshmallows and banana rhymes with tootle-berry". I never mentioned logic in my reply.. I did say "sense" and another I believe mentioned "reason".. So to make this clear when talking about God with you we need to leave out Logic, common sense, and reason. Anything else off the table?