Haiti, a Caribbean country, is joining the African Union

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If I were Haitian and received the bigotry, abuse, disrespect, and hatred from so many Dominicans, I would look for somewhere to search for my identity and for support. Africa cannot be any more negative than the DR has been for the county of Haiti.
 
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The single greatest contribution of Haiti to world society as it stands to day was this: by defeating the French (with the help of many tropical diseases), Haiti convinced Napoleon that Louisiana was never going to benefit France. After all, if you cannot deal with escaping slaves on an island, how could you ever deal with them in the bayous and swamps of Louisiana? Of course, he kept Martinique, Guadaloupe and Saint Martin
So Napoleon sold Louisiana to the US and that guaranteed that the US would rule the most valuable parts of continent.
France lost several islands after Waterloo.
The Haitians got nothing for this huge favor. They got the short and dirty end of the stick.
 
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The single greatest contribution of Haiti to world society as it stands to day was this: by defeating the French (with the help of many tropical diseases), Haiti convinced Napoleon that Louisiana was never going to benefit France. After all, if you cannot deal with escaping slaves on an island, how could you ever deal with them in the bayous and swamps of Louisiana,
So Napoleon sold Louisiana to the US and that guaranteed that the US would rule the most valuable parts of continent.

The Haitians got nothing for this huge favor. They got the short and dirty end of the stick.

He did keep Guiane, Martinique, and Saint Martin and some other islands France lost after Waterloo. Half of Saint Martin and some others.
 

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If I were Haitian and received the bigotry, abuse, disrespect, and hatred from so many Dominicans, I would look for somewhere to search for my identity and for support. Africa cannot be any more negative than the DR has been for the county of Haiti.

I think you must be Haitian.
 

Naked_Snake

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I am not Haitian and I agree with his post.

That is fine and dandy, but don't forget that the hatred and dislike isn't entirely one sided. We Dom panyol are just as distrusted/hated as the other blan (foreigners) there, or perhaps more.
 

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If I were Haitian and received the bigotry, abuse, disrespect, and hatred from so many Dominicans, I would look for somewhere to search for my identity and for support. Africa cannot be any more negative than the DR has been for the county of Haiti.
Care to explain what exactly has the DR done to Haiti?

When did DR invade Haiti? How many times?

When did DR declared a war of extermination against Haiti and extended that for more than a decade?

When did DR made any expression that it desired to take over Haiti or rule over the Haitians?

Maybe you know something I don't. At least I don't recall of a single instance in which the DR invaded Haiti to 'purge' that country of its own people or wishing that Dominicans would flood Haiti so that with time a governing crisis would arise, giving the Dominican government plenty of leeway in the internal affairs of Haiti.

Include the sources, thanks.

BTW, all this time I thought Haitians had a unique identity all of their own. Why would a people with an identity need to search for one elsewhere? :rolleyes:

On the other hand, perhaps you are implying that Haitians haven't form a nation yet (after 200 years?), maybe that's why you are implying they don't have an identity?
 
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Naked_Snake

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Care to explain what exactly has the DR done to Haiti?

When did DR invade Haiti? How many times?

When did DR declared a war of extermination against Haiti and extended that for more than a decade?

When did DR made any expression that it desired to take over Haiti or rule over the Haitians?

Maybe you know something I don't. At least I don't recall of a single instance in which the DR invaded Haiti to 'purge' that country of its own people or wishing that Dominicans would flood Haiti so that with time a governing crisis would arise, giving the Dominican government plenty of leeway in the internal affairs of Haiti.

Include the sources, thanks.

BTW, all this time I thought Haitians had a unique identity all of their own. Why would a people with an identity need to search for one elsewhere? :rolleyes:

On the other hand, perhaps you are implying that Haitians haven't form a nation yet (after 200 years?), maybe that's why you are implying they don't have an identity?

The ironic thing here is that they would be the first to cry foul if we took a few pages from their book and applied on them some of the idiotic rules they apply on foreigners as far as citizenship acquisition, property ownership and even movement throughout the country were concerned. They want to have their cake and eat it as well.
 
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ramesses

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That is fine and dandy, but don't forget that the hatred and dislike isn't entirely one sided. We Dom panyol are just as distrusted/hated as the other blan (foreigners) there, or perhaps more.

I never said that was not true. This is a two sided story. It just seems to me that many here do not wish things would get better in Haiti...I see this story as a ray of hope. No more, no less.
 

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Not my perception, my experience. I do understand you live in a much better part of the DR than I ever did....

he does not live in the DR. he lives in some country where motoconcho guys can recite Virgil, word for word.
 

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he does not live in the DR. he lives in some country where motoconcho guys can recite Virgil, word for word.

I will admit I'm too busy to play Dominoes, a game I learned from Italians not Latinos, however I probably am exposed daily more than the average person to Haitian/Dominican interactions. We have Haitian children attending our school, we have a Haitian teacher and she is very close friends with many of the Dominican teachers. I observe a lot because human interactions are interesting to observe.
 

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I never said that was not true. This is a two sided story. It just seems to me that many here do not wish things would get better in Haiti...I see this story as a ray of hope. No more, no less.

I think the majority of Dominicans would like to see Haiti be much more stable and economically viable.
 

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I will admit I'm too busy to play Dominoes, a game I learned from Italians not Latinos, however I probably am exposed daily more than the average person to Haitian/Dominican interactions. We have Haitian children attending our school, we have a Haitian teacher and she is very close friends with many of the Dominican teachers. I observe a lot because human interactions are interesting to observe.

I learned Dominoes in Trinidad.

You do live in a special place.
 

the gorgon

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bob, let me help you here. you do not learn dominoes from any particular group or ethnicity. here?s why. there is no such thing as a homogenous set of rules. everybody plays it differently....

why do i bother
 

bob saunders

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bob, let me help you here. you do not learn dominoes from any particular group or ethnicity. here?s why. there is no such thing as a homogenous set of rules. everybody plays it differently....

why do i bother

You are correct, there are many different variations, however the game I learned, I learned from Italians.