A lot of businesses closed in Sosua

BelgianMik

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Hi BelgianMik,

Not sure your feelings on it, but if it were me I would be asking why 5am only on the weekend?

1. It is a 'tourist' destination right?
2. The international 'tourists' don't only come on the weekends, do they?

They're coming in and out daily, on planes and ships though the week; high season and low.

I'd be pushing for 5am week round, or even 24 hrs.

Most places shut of the own accord at a certain point anyhow, but it is nice to have a place or 2 that you can go through the night and into the morning if so desired.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes!
Today they informed me that the meeting is postponed until next week, so I will let you now next week.

I understand you, it would be more logical if we could stay open until 5 o'clock every day. But maybe they are building it up slowly. It used to be 12 and 2, a year (ore more) ago they changed it to 1 and 3, now they want to change it to 2 and 5, so maybe they want to do it, but slowly.

What bothers me more is that here on the Malecon, is the rule that there can't be any minors in your business after 7pm if you sell alcohol. The rule exists for a long time, 3 years ago politur closed a few businesses for that reason for 3 months, afterwards we didn't here about that anymore and now politur is starting with it again.
I understand that it is not good to have a minor in a club or something, but even here in the cassettas we can't have people with their minors anymore after 7pm. I have lost a couple of clients because of that.
And explain to a tourist that they can leave their hotel but if they have a minor with them, they have to be back before 7pm...
Not really tourist friendly
 

dv8

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Here's a bit on Alain Rodriguez from Hoy today........no respite on the AG approach is my guess..
http://hoy.com.do/jean-alain-rodriguez-reitera-que-luchara-contra-la-delincuencia-y-la-criminalidad/

it seems that he is putting lots of focus on administrative corruption and creating a department dedicated to crime prevention:
http://www.listindiario.com/la-repu...dor-crea-direccion-para-prevencion-del-crimen
no word on his stance regarding promoting prostitution.
 

Tamborista

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This link has all kind of malware.
Samana maybe this time, with a stop in Nagua @ P.F.
 

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With that response I will assume that the next protests won't be as peaceful.

I was surprised the first one was so peaceful.

I'm indifferent to the ladies of the night, but this family tourist plan just doesn't seem to be well thought out at all.
 

Rustxko

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I also love how they are open to dialogue.

What dialogue?

Can we stay open later than 12am and 2am?

No, but we're open to dialogue.

And repeat
 
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I have two questions for all the ASOCOBAS members and their supposed supporters . . .

Where were these supposedly 173 unemployed Sos?a citizens and why were they mysteriously absent from this protest that ASOCOBAS has been organizing for over a month?

If I could ask, why does it appear to bother you so?

I'm not really sure what "it" you are referring to that you think is bothering me, perhaps it's my comment about the ASOCOBAS assertion that 173 people have lost their jobs because of the change in closing times to 12:00 and 2:00am. So I added my original questions, that you left out when quoting me, for some context.

For almost two months ASOCOBAS has been claiming that 200 people, now changed to 173, have lost their jobs as a direct result of the change in hours and closing of four bars on Pedro Clisante. They started this assertion after only two weeks of the street closing and change in hours. The problem is this is totally false. Sure, some of the employees of the closed bars are currently without employment, but this amounts to no more than 25 people, probably alot less.

Rancho Tipico has reopened in the City Lights location with their old employees, some new employees, and also some workers who were previously employed at Rumba Bar. So that leaves the rest of the Rumba employees and the employees from Bermuda Bar and Las Flores, not that many, maybe 15.

Although Classico originally closed Sunday through Thursday for two weeks, they soon opened again from Thursday through Sunday, only closing Mon., Tues. and Wed. and Merengue Bar remains open every day.

Perhaps some workers from Chez Monreal may not be currently working due to their current renovation but this is very temporary.

And, some businesses have ADDED employees since the change in hours. Rancho Tipico (City Lights), as I stated above, Coral Bay Casino, Blue Ice and Bourbon Street Grill have all added employees and Rumba is renovating their kitchen to open as a restaurant bringing back Rick to run it.

So now ASOCOBAS had this protest that they have been planning for almost two months and get very little support. Like I stated before, take away the police, the press, some casual onlookers and maybe you had 75 actual "protesters". Of the people who actually were there as protesters I only saw a couple of Rumba workers who were actually unemployed. I'm sure there were a few others throughout the crowd. But to claim 173 people lost their jobs, when maybe a total of ten people in the protest crowd were actually unemployed just proves their claim is ridiculous.

I personally haven't met ONE person who actually lost their job as a result of the change in hours except for some employees of the bars that were actually closed down. I live here in Sos?a and speak with quite a few people daily about this subject and haven't heard of anyone actually losing their job because of the change in hours, not that their aren't any, but it is a very small number, certainly nowhere near 173.

Perhaps some of the '173' couldn't afford the pesos now to take a ride in, because as one can imagine, not all 75,000 you mentioned, live within the 'city' of Sos?a.

The "173" DO NOT EXIST. If they did, then yes, "perhaps some couldn't afford the pesos to take a ride in" but I'm sure it would be very few given the fact that this was their "livelihood" being put in jeopardy and perhaps their only chance to publicly voice their opposition.

I can tell you it bothers me; that I have to go home at midnight between Sun - Thurs, if I happen to be out. That is unless, one wants to go to Cabarete, Puerto Plata, or the Casino. Why are they able to stay open?

Didn't take long for them to:

1. Jack up drink prices within the first couple days.
2. Subsequently start charging RD$ 200 for 'certain people' to get in... then charge RD$ 200 for everyone else, regardless if you are playing.

I am not aware of any drink prices being "jacked up", however I can only speak of my experience at Bourbon Street Grill and they didn't change ANY prices on anything they offer. As far as the Casino goes, they are crooks, I wouldn't expect anything less.

It's not just the core bars that have to shut as you know, it's all within Sos?a region: Coco, Cucu, Jabali, Fraggle, Midtown, Jolly's, Spanky's, to name a few.

They also have staff including owners, bar tenders, waitresses, cleaning.

I don't think it's a stretch, to consider that this has affected a large number of people in various ways, especially in the slow season.

Others have posted here already, about the trickle down effect on the local economy.

I realize it is not just the "core bars" that have to observe the earlier closing hours, but yes, I do "think it's a stretch" to assume this has "affected a LARGE number of people". It certainly has affected the businesses on Pedro Clisante and also the other bars you mention as well as some motoconcho and taxi drivers and a few other establishments from the "trickle down effect". But based on the fact that Sos?a has some 75,000 inhabitants and hundreds of businesses, it is a very small "trickle."

ASOCOBAS claims that they represent "all of Sos?a", when in reality they represent a small group of business owners and some workers mainly from Pedro Clisante. They continuously make exaggerated claims which certainly cannot be substantiated and they play on the sentiments of a small group of easily influenced people. Their interests are self-serving and limited to this small group and their methods are questionable at best. The poor attendance and foolish rhetoric of their "protest" is a testament as to who they really represent.

Their propaganda continues, one of their representatives was speaking on a local radio program, a video clip was posted in this thread #1086, so take a look. At 1:17 of the video clip, the speaker representing the protesters, Daniel Mercado, made a claim that FORTY (40) businesses have been closed since and due to the change in operating hours. Even the interviewer repeats incredulously "CUARENTA?" and Mercado answers "EXACTAMENTE!"

FORTY ! ! ! . . . I want to see the list . . .
 

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My experience is, I start earlier, finish earlier and get up earlier. Forced me to go home earlier, nothing else changed. This will upset the drinkers more than the girl searchers.
 

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I'm not really sure what "it" you are referring to that you think is bothering me, perhaps it's my comment about the ASOCOBAS assertion that 173 people have lost their jobs because of the change in closing times to 12:00 and 2:00am. So I added my original questions, that you left out when quoting me, for some context.

For almost two months ASOCOBAS has been claiming that 200 people, now changed to 173, have lost their jobs as a direct result of the change in hours and closing of four bars on Pedro Clisante. They started this assertion after only two weeks of the street closing and change in hours. The problem is this is totally false. Sure, some of the employees of the closed bars are currently without employment, but this amounts to no more than 25 people, probably alot less.

Rancho Tipico has reopened in the City Lights location with their old employees, some new employees, and also some workers who were previously employed at Rumba Bar. So that leaves the rest of the Rumba employees and the employees from Bermuda Bar and Las Flores, not that many, maybe 15.

Although Classico originally closed Sunday through Thursday for two weeks, they soon opened again from Thursday through Sunday, only closing Mon., Tues. and Wed. and Merengue Bar remains open every day.

Perhaps some workers from Chez Monreal may not be currently working due to their current renovation but this is very temporary.

And, some businesses have ADDED employees since the change in hours. Rancho Tipico (City Lights), as I stated above, Coral Bay Casino, Blue Ice and Bourbon Street Grill have all added employees and Rumba is renovating their kitchen to open as a restaurant bringing back Rick to run it.

So now ASOCOBAS had this protest that they have been planning for almost two months and get very little support. Like I stated before, take away the police, the press, some casual onlookers and maybe you had 75 actual "protesters". Of the people who actually were there as protesters I only saw a couple of Rumba workers who were actually unemployed. I'm sure there were a few others throughout the crowd. But to claim 173 people lost their jobs, when maybe a total of ten people in the protest crowd were actually unemployed just proves their claim is ridiculous.

I personally haven't met ONE person who actually lost their job as a result of the change in hours except for some employees of the bars that were actually closed down. I live here in Sos?a and speak with quite a few people daily about this subject and haven't heard of anyone actually losing their job because of the change in hours, not that their aren't any, but it is a very small number, certainly nowhere near 173.



The "173" DO NOT EXIST. If they did, then yes, "perhaps some couldn't afford the pesos to take a ride in" but I'm sure it would be very few given the fact that this was their "livelihood" being put in jeopardy and perhaps their only chance to publicly voice their opposition.



I am not aware of any drink prices being "jacked up", however I can only speak of my experience at Bourbon Street Grill and they didn't change ANY prices on anything they offer. As far as the Casino goes, they are crooks, I wouldn't expect anything less.



I realize it is not just the "core bars" that have to observe the earlier closing hours, but yes, I do "think it's a stretch" to assume this has "affected a LARGE number of people". It certainly has affected the businesses on Pedro Clisante and also the other bars you mention as well as some motoconcho and taxi drivers and a few other establishments from the "trickle down effect". But based on the fact that Sos?a has some 75,000 inhabitants and hundreds of businesses, it is a very small "trickle."

ASOCOBAS claims that they represent "all of Sos?a", when in reality they represent a small group of business owners and some workers mainly from Pedro Clisante. They continuously make exaggerated claims which certainly cannot be substantiated and they play on the sentiments of a small group of easily influenced people. Their interests are self-serving and limited to this small group and their methods are questionable at best. The poor attendance and foolish rhetoric of their "protest" is a testament as to who they really represent.

Their propaganda continues, one of their representatives was speaking on a local radio program, a video clip was posted in this thread #1086, so take a look. At 1:17 of the video clip, the speaker representing the protesters, Daniel Mercado, made a claim that FORTY (40) businesses have been closed since and due to the change in operating hours. Even the interviewer repeats incredulously "CUARENTA?" and Mercado answers "EXACTAMENTE!"

FORTY ! ! ! . . . I want to see the list . . .

As an owner of one of the restaurants mentioned above I can say it must be nice to not have any skin in the game and not have to worry about losing your whole investment. I'm afraid I will be losing mine because corrupt politicians decided to do for the few at the top that can pay for their agenda and the rest of us be damned!! I definitely won't be hiring and instead quite possibly be closing. But as long as you've made your insensitive opinion everything is cool!!
 

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The link only says that the promotion of prostitution in Sosua must stop and nothing about the hours of being open.

yeah, i meant her position of promoting prostitution in sosua since my post before that was about new attorney general not mentioning this on the list of subjects he wanted to focus on.
 

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I'm not........

....... Sure, some of the employees of the closed bars are currently without employment, but this amounts to no more than 25 people...........
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Between the cleaners (who worked during the day), and the night watchman (who worked after the 3am close), you had cooks and dishwashers in the grill. Bartenders, waiters and waitresses, door security, management, DJ, bathroom attendant,etc.
and since Rumbas was open 7 days a week, I'm guessing there were more than 25 people working there alone?
 

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As an owner of one of the restaurants mentioned above I can say it must be nice to not have any skin in the game and not have to worry about losing your whole investment. I'm afraid I will be losing mine because corrupt politicians decided to do for the few at the top that can pay for their agenda and the rest of us be damned!! I definitely won't be hiring and instead quite possibly be closing. But as long as you've made your insensitive opinion everything is cool!!

I personally know several of the Dominicans that lost their jobs due to bars shut down; they are hard working family people. Don't know who this Ny-Dr Commuter is but sounds like he's on the mayors payroll.
 
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As an owner of one of the restaurants mentioned above I can say it must be nice to not have any skin in the game and not have to worry about losing your whole investment. I'm afraid I will be losing mine because corrupt politicians decided to do for the few at the top that can pay for their agenda and the rest of us be damned!! I definitely won't be hiring and instead quite possibly be closing. But as long as you've made your insensitive opinion everything is cool!!

Although my current employment is based in Santo Domingo and my office is in Puerto Plata, I do own several businesses in Sos?a as well as other areas along the north coast. I also have been living in Sos?a for almost 20 years and I'm always concerned for all of my investments here.

Because of my obligation to my employer, and in an even greater capacity as an investor and business owner here in Sos?a, I am acutely aware of what is going on day to day and at many levels. I participate in almost all "association" meetings and community "events", most because of obligation but many to try and obtain an objective and intelligent view of what is actually happening here.

As a local business owner I make it a priority to try to attend and/or participate in many of these local "associations" and community "events" that many people here choose not to. And through the privilege of my current employment I also have access to certain events and information that most people simply do not.

. . . it must be nice to not have skin in the game . . .

You aren't the first person to characterize me as "not having skin in the game" and I'm sure that you won't be the last. This seems to be a point of contention for you as well as others, so just to show you that "everything is cool", i will concede you this: while I do consider myself qualified to contribute to the forum as both a Sos?a resident and business owner, if owning a restaurant on or close to Pedro Clisante that depends on tourists and ex-pats as their main client base is a prerequisite to having "skin in the game", then no, I certainly do not.

It's unfortunate that you find my post to be my "insensitive opinion". I tried to post factual and verifiable information, and while certain numbers can almost never be reported with 100% accuracy the figures I posted are a very fair representation of the facts.
 
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Between the cleaners (who worked during the day), and the night watchman (who worked after the 3am close), you had cooks and dishwashers in the grill. Bartenders, waiters and waitresses, door security, management, DJ, bathroom attendant,etc.
and since Rumbas was open 7 days a week, I'm guessing there were more than 25 people working there alone?

I am very familiar with Rumba's operation and personally know Bobby and most of his employees very well. I am fairly certain that the number of affected employees is less than 25, but that exact number is not relevant. The point I was trying to make in my post is that although some people lost their jobs, the claims being made by ASOCOBAS were greatly exaggerated and the poor attendance of their "protest" reflected that point.
 

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This is going to be our 7th (SnowBird) Winter in Sosua.
We are a happily-married-couple.

I am very concerned with the Mayors (latest) policies.
If she can't think long term, at least she should hire some one who can.

I have written before, that her previous “Bar closing” and “No windows” policies, concentrated all the Chicas/Mongers into downtown, and onto the sidewalks.

….and that was to make Sosua more “Family friendly”

Now, (just to prove how out of touch she is)..... more “Bar closing” and “early hours”

Open your eyes Mayor!

If you squeeze here, it just pops up over there.
It's not going to solve anything.

Once the Tourist season really starts, the Chicas/Mongers are going to start coming out earlier in the evening.
They will likely show up more on the Beach, in the afternoon.

You are going to be making the Chicas/Mongers a lot more visible (again).


We used to like to walk downtown (about) 6pm.
Walk up and down Pedro Clisante.
Have a drink and go for Dinner.
After Dinner, we would avoided the one block of Pedro Clisante to avoid the Chicas/Mongers interactions.
Now..... We are going to be competing with the (new earlier version of) Chicas/Mongers.
Sound discouraging to me.

I really don't want to sit at the Beach for Lunch, watching a parade of Chicas/Mongers interactions.
I also don't want to watch the “authorities” wrestling some screaming young girl to the ground.

Really.... How do you expect Sosua to be more Family friendly if you keep pushing the Chicas/Mongers into Family friendly places and times.

Please Mayor....
Let the Bars stay open late, really late.
Have the authorities keep the sidewalks clean and Family Friendly before 9pm.

From what I see, the Chicas/Mongers are big girls and big boys having consensual fun.
I just don't want to watch them.

Please find a way for everyone to have fun, don't just beat the ones you don't like, with a big stick.
That big stick is also hitting a lot of innocent hardworking people.

If you really want to fight the “Chica problem” solve the “Poverty problem”.
 
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I personally know several of the Dominicans that lost their jobs due to bars shut down; they are hard working family people. Don't know who this Ny-Dr Commuter is but sounds like he's on the mayors payroll.

Like I stated in my post, I also personally know several Dominicans that lost their jobs, and we may even be speaking about the same people. For example, Juan, the head "of security" at Rumba. I believe you know him, and I certainly do as I have "helped him out" since Rumba's closing. I also know that he is now working over at City Lights as well as several other Rumba employees.

The point of my post was that ASOCOBAS makes exaggerated claims and their "protest" was a reflection of that.

And, no, I am not on the mayor's payroll, but if she is offering . . . I'm available.