The mayor of Santiago is doing all in his power to ensure people stay 6 feet away when waiting on lines. Either comply or the fire department is going to douse you with water and force you to maintain the proper space.
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The death rate for coronavirus can’t and won’t be tallied ever. Too many cases never got tested, far above and beyond limits of testing abilities by authorities.
The death rate will be what the count is, no government will admit the real numbers behind their flimsy count systems.
The whole purpose of the distancing and shutdown is to give pause to the higher than even catastrophic numbers on natural events, to catch up by local authorities for the sake of mental sanity and health,
It’s a delay on a wing and a prayer so that we get an effective therapeutic to treat our weakest members in the short term. Many medical trials on the way as we speak. We don’t need a king of all, just a patch me up jack for now until then.
One is bound to succeed, maybe even more.
We should open up the economy once we can test for antibodies, and also infected effectively.
That’s the best way to do it.
The death rate will be what the count is, no government will admit the real numbers behind their flimsy count systems.
The whole purpose of the distancing and shutdown is to give pause to the higher than even catastrophic numbers on natural events, to catch up by local authorities for the sake of mental sanity and health,
It’s a delay on a wing and a prayer so that we get an effective therapeutic to treat our weakest members in the short term. Many medical trials on the way as we speak. We don’t need a king of all, just a patch me up jack for now until then.
One is bound to succeed, maybe even more.
We should open up the economy once we can test for antibodies, and also infected effectively.
That’s the best way to do it.
In addition to other Dominican government programs meant to help many people with the Covid-19 crisis (purchasing enough hydroxychloroquine and giving it for free to all doctors and hospitals with critical patients with Covid, direct subsidy to many for covering some of the costs of their day-to-day living, etc), the government announced today that it will buy 1.5 million chickens, 260 thousand pounds of cheese, 1 million liter of milk, 50 thousand pounds of tomatoes and other comestible products produced in the country. Up to 25% of all the chicken bought by the government will be with small producers. The government is going to distribute the purchases to the population completely free. It will distribute 525 thousand pounds of chicken everyday.
www.eldinero.com.do
Gobierno comprará pollos y otros productos a sectores impactados por la crisis económica asociada a la pandemia del covid-19
El Gobierno dominicano comprará 5.6 millones de libras de carne de pollo para distribuir 525,000 libras cada día entre las personas más vulnerables de todo el territorio nacional, con el objetivo a
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HCQ has to be part of a cocktail that includes azithromycin and zinc.I've seen no mention of hydroxychloroquine on this thread for a while, so I am hopeful that this dangerous nonsense about it being a cure for Covid-19 has finally been put to bed. Numerous members of this forum have been pushing hydroxychloroquine as a cure for Covid-19 based solely on testimonial videos from quack doctors and a certain President. Results released from studies all over the world in the past couple of weeks have proven that hydroxychloroquine has no benefit whatsoever in curing Covid-19 or reducing symptoms. In fact many deaths have been caused by the experimental administering of this drug. And the latest results from an extensive study by the U.S. Veterans Administration comparing Covid-19 patients who were given HCQ with patients who were not given HCQ showed that those patients who were given HCQ had a death rate more than double that of those who were not given HCQ. This tends to confirm results from a recent French study showing that HCQ actually accelerated the death of Covid-19 patients.
Hydroxychloroquine as treatment for COVID-19 shows no benefit and more deaths in VA study
President Trump has frequently touted the malaria drug as a potential breakthrough in the ongoing coronavirus fight.www.marketwatch.com
I can provide links for numerous other scientific studies with the same results if anybody is interested. But I am hopeful that we can all put this dangerous HCQ nonsense to bed. There are indeed many drugs that offer promise for reducing the symptoms of Covid-19, but hydroxychloroquine is not one of them.
I have seen nothing that says HCQ by itself works.
50 to 85 times completely changes the morbidity to near seasonal flu-like numbers.
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You can (try and) draw your own conclusions but you cant change facts and science
This controversy began with post #2070 which specifically references HCQ as "a cure". From there it got amplified by other posters insisting that that it was accepted science that HCI is effective in fighting Covid-19. They cited the fact that the Dominican Republic had purchased 50,000 doses of the drug to use on all their Covid-19 cases as proof positive. Post #2208 had a video from a snake oil salesman attesting to the efficacy of HCQ in fighting Covid-19. Post #2219 insisted that "doctors in the U.S. were having very good results with HCQ" without citing any data to back up that statement. Post #2253 stated that HCQ had been approved by the FDA as an effective treatment for Covid--19 when in fact the FDA has never approved HCQ for that purpose but instead simply allowed the use of HCQ on an experimental basis which simply means that doctors who decide to prescribe it could no longer be criminally prosecuted. Post #2261 quoted some Hasidic doctor who claimed to have 100 percent success in curing 350 patients with Covid-19 by using HCQ. Post #2264 stated that "thousands of doctors agree that HCQ is the best treatment for patients with Covid-19 " without offering any supporting data. Should I continue with more examples of misinformation?
Good for the Govt. I've been waiting for just such an announcement since the reports of food and milk going to waste first appeared.
Thats correct. That is the formula the French used, and the Jewish doctor in New York.
There are lots of reports indicating that there are several mutated CoVid-Sars-2 strains circulating in different parts of the world and I suspect that's possible within different regions of larger countries as well. NY probably got a deadlier version from travelers from Europe than did Washington State which then maybe spread to California and elsewhere out west.
Covid-19 v2.0 or v3.0 coming to a community park or a freedom rally near you...
Be it HCQ or anything else, it was best to try and fail than not even try it in the first place.
Desperate times begets desperate measures.
I applaud Trump for sticking to his guns and letting doctors decide if and when to try it, without red tape to hold them back.
In the DR we received plenty of these to try and carry out our own clinical trials. Those patients facing imminent death received a last option treatment. Some recover, some don’t, but they gave it their best and tried to save them.
Let’s not politicize potential treatments, even one life saved is precious.
Desperate times begets desperate measures.
I applaud Trump for sticking to his guns and letting doctors decide if and when to try it, without red tape to hold them back.
In the DR we received plenty of these to try and carry out our own clinical trials. Those patients facing imminent death received a last option treatment. Some recover, some don’t, but they gave it their best and tried to save them.
Let’s not politicize potential treatments, even one life saved is precious.
Agreed. It''s good that were able to conduct trials so that we could find out if HCQ is really effective. What's not good is when people promote something as a cure or effective when there is no scientific evidence to back it up. And in all fairness, Trump did not simply "allow the doctors to try it". He actively and repeatedly promoted it and even suggested that people without Covid-19 should take it prophylactically. This particular drug has been proven to have dangerous side effects in some people, and misinformation can be dangerous for gullible and desperate people, particularly when there are so many other drugs that offer far more promise. Brazil, France, Sweden, and now the U.S. have all completed studies that found that HCQ was ineffective for Covid-19 and does more harm than good. Let''s pray that they find success with one of these other promising drugs. Right now remdesivir seems like it might offer some promise.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/health/new-french-study-hydroxychloroquine/index.html
Easy to say then it's not your life or a loved one. Doctors take an oath to "Do no harm"
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Thank you for what you post, for being the voice of reason.
All the armchair, uncredentialed "experts" are shameful and even dangerous.
I really don't want to have to block people but...It just may be the answer to the stupidity
The news article referenced in my post states that the Veterans Administration trial used azithromycin in combination with the HCQ. It didn't help.
This is what happens when researchers (or even a single researcher) publish their theories and preliminary experiments for the benefit of other researchers and the media pickup on the articles and creates a headline along the lines of: Researches say pigeon peas appears to be an effective treatment for H.I.S. (hysteria induced stupidity).
Worse are the fraudsters who take advantage of a desperate situation to make a quick buck knowing that the media will be only too happy to enable them. Think most TV doctors and anyone who hasn't published a single article before but has suddenly and right out of left field found the cure for the {insert troubling disease here}.
The media should know better and should have stopped a long time ago turning a hypothesis into a sensational and unfounded claims that at best are simply an honest best guess by some researcher who is really trying to help and at worst some huckster who is just trying to bamboozle. Readers and views need to recognize this shameless reporting for what it is. Science never solves a problem overnight. When something works well enough for the results to be duplicated, rest assured that is all we will hear about nothing else.
Worse are the fraudsters who take advantage of a desperate situation to make a quick buck knowing that the media will be only too happy to enable them. Think most TV doctors and anyone who hasn't published a single article before but has suddenly and right out of left field found the cure for the {insert troubling disease here}.
The media should know better and should have stopped a long time ago turning a hypothesis into a sensational and unfounded claims that at best are simply an honest best guess by some researcher who is really trying to help and at worst some huckster who is just trying to bamboozle. Readers and views need to recognize this shameless reporting for what it is. Science never solves a problem overnight. When something works well enough for the results to be duplicated, rest assured that is all we will hear about nothing else.
unfortunately after reading a peer review of that study pointing out that recruting volunteers for that study via facebook biased heavily to people volunteering who had symtoms but could not get a tested I think those results can not be trusted. There was nothing random as the peer review showed messages from facebook alerting one another over these "Free tests". This is astonishing how searching for volunteers via facebook could ever be considered a good idea. That is like doing opinion polls via facebook = useless
there are other studies with real random selected tests doing it the proper way pointing to much less infected.
Seems like for Publicity stunts all kind of shortcuts are taken theses days.
the problem is that now studies make it to the media which in normal days would have died a silent death of peer review. See also the stories about that malaria medication.
i am from the "there is more infection than reported" camp, that study would proof my point. But I dont want biased proofs from not so well done studies.
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