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It looks like the DR will not reopen to tourism on 1 July
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See you in August. Maybe.
The following is a very good assessment of the virus situation. The original intent of the thread (on another website) was about fall sports in the USA.
Note: I work for an international healthcare organization providing COVID response in 11 countries.
1) Someone mentioned this is like the Spanish Flu and it will just dissipate after the second wave. Reminder that the Spanish Flu infected a third of the worlds population and killed 50 million people and we should hope to God this is nothing like that.
2) Antibody tests are not very meaningful right now. It totally depends on where the tests are being done and how prevelant the virus is there. Even still, there is no consensus that antibodies = immunity or for how long immunity would be. There is some evidence of reinfection and antibodies quickly fading.
3) People talk about COVID as if either you die or you don't. That's not the way to look at it. Even if you don't die from the virus there is still risk of long-term/permanent lung damage, even in younger populations. We simply don't know all the lasting effects it could have on people.
4) In terms of college population, yes they are statistically less at risk, but what level of risk are you willing to tolerate? Many young people have undiagnosed underlying conditions. And again, look beyond mortality, it could cause lung damage in a young person. Additionally, what about coaches? How old is Jay, almost 60? What is he supposed to do? And what about all of the other people who could be at risks the students could come in contact with? NCAA can't pull an NBA and create a bubble.
5) Cases are riding, and while there is evidence of fatality rate decreasing, it's a lie to say hospitalizations are also decreasing. Hospitalization rates increased in 16 states last week.
6) There will be a vaccine, it is a matter of when. Optimistic window is by end of year, realistic is sometime in early-mid 2021. But, virus could change and that could screw things up. Don't think it's too likely but it's possible.
7) People pitting fighting the virus against the economy are missing that they are the same thing. Hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of hospitalizations have an impact on the economy. It's possible to fight the virus and help people who are hurting from the shutdown. Many countries are offering great social and economic support while tackling the virus quickly and allowing the economy to reopen. The US has not. Where I live in Rwanda, a country with one of the smallest economies in the world, we were able to contain the virus quickly and I've spent the last four weekends traveling and supporting domestic tourism. Those of us who work in public health have been saying these same things since the pandemic hit, and some governments didn't listen.
Bottom-line: from a public health perspective this is a no-brainer. NCAA is gonna be the NCAA though so who knows. But for people not taking it seriously I urge you to reevaluate that perspective.
Note: I work for an international healthcare organization providing COVID response in 11 countries.
1) Someone mentioned this is like the Spanish Flu and it will just dissipate after the second wave. Reminder that the Spanish Flu infected a third of the worlds population and killed 50 million people and we should hope to God this is nothing like that.
2) Antibody tests are not very meaningful right now. It totally depends on where the tests are being done and how prevelant the virus is there. Even still, there is no consensus that antibodies = immunity or for how long immunity would be. There is some evidence of reinfection and antibodies quickly fading.
3) People talk about COVID as if either you die or you don't. That's not the way to look at it. Even if you don't die from the virus there is still risk of long-term/permanent lung damage, even in younger populations. We simply don't know all the lasting effects it could have on people.
4) In terms of college population, yes they are statistically less at risk, but what level of risk are you willing to tolerate? Many young people have undiagnosed underlying conditions. And again, look beyond mortality, it could cause lung damage in a young person. Additionally, what about coaches? How old is Jay, almost 60? What is he supposed to do? And what about all of the other people who could be at risks the students could come in contact with? NCAA can't pull an NBA and create a bubble.
5) Cases are riding, and while there is evidence of fatality rate decreasing, it's a lie to say hospitalizations are also decreasing. Hospitalization rates increased in 16 states last week.
6) There will be a vaccine, it is a matter of when. Optimistic window is by end of year, realistic is sometime in early-mid 2021. But, virus could change and that could screw things up. Don't think it's too likely but it's possible.
7) People pitting fighting the virus against the economy are missing that they are the same thing. Hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of hospitalizations have an impact on the economy. It's possible to fight the virus and help people who are hurting from the shutdown. Many countries are offering great social and economic support while tackling the virus quickly and allowing the economy to reopen. The US has not. Where I live in Rwanda, a country with one of the smallest economies in the world, we were able to contain the virus quickly and I've spent the last four weekends traveling and supporting domestic tourism. Those of us who work in public health have been saying these same things since the pandemic hit, and some governments didn't listen.
Bottom-line: from a public health perspective this is a no-brainer. NCAA is gonna be the NCAA though so who knows. But for people not taking it seriously I urge you to reevaluate that perspective.
There's a lot more off-topic basura here which seems to me to warrant exclusion. The title of this thread is completely incorrect and past relevant now anyway.
Does mommy know you´re on her computer
again? You´re probably sitting up in Nueva York
stuck in the basement. We get it.
I´ve no need to lie or post bullshit. No
one said anything about refusing to
wear mask so I called you on it
and since you keep insisting...
I prefer the barrios not the sandbox.
Guess I wasn't clear enough, the first commercial flight into Puerto Plata is July 5th. Other airports like Santiago and Punta Cana will have flights from July 1st.
Iberia 6501 from Madrid is airborne and due to land SDQ at 7.14pm. So the link to Europe is open. 4 flights per week with very good connections to London in both directions and presumably to a lot of other European cities as the outbound departs Madrid at 4.50pm (arrives 7.30pm SDQ) and the return arrives Madrid very early morning.
You obviously missed the 20-30 Cuba posts that had to be deleted
whats the death rate? Whats the rate of people on ventilators??? They are low and either holding steady or dropping, So feel free to hide out in your home with your mask on, the rest of us are moving on with our lives
I live in NYC and the numbers are skewed up in the north east of the USA because some dummies in charge thought it was ok to send covid positive nursing home residents back into those nursing homes, killing thousands of the most vulnerable. Approx 50% of deaths were from nursing homes and the vast majority of deaths were those over 75 years of age. So if your 65 an older maybe you should stay home and let the rest of the world live their lives.
All the flights from the USA are as full as the airlines will let them be. little over 60% more or less
Look boy,I doubt you'll reach my age. I guess living in the state where we're leading the nation in infections and some clown saying bullshit like this,"Of course it's going to hit Florida hard. The majority of the population is over 90 and lives in extended health care"? Uh,yeah.
Our flight 493 DID operate JFK-SDQ yesterday. And is scheduled through the 5th.
Fall sports like the NFL just cancelled half of the (useless) preseason games and there are 3 scenarios for fans if/when the regular season begins. No fans,15k-20k and 50% capacity. And games in hard-hit states like Florida with 3 teams may see games moved out of state. Season ticket holders with longest tenure will have 1st crack at seats if/when it happens. Also if we choose not to attend, our balance will be rolled over to next season and we will keep our seats.
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