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Motorcycle Licenses and Illegal Aliens
Windy,
Our boy Hijo himself may be 'out of bounds'...... who knows?
Protecting his turf....
Our boy Hijo himself may be 'out of bounds'...... who knows?
Protecting his turf....
Motorcyles and Riders helmets now need a new licensing sticker. It has been in the news and posted elsewhere.
Wait, you are so far off base. What you are describing is police brutality. There's nothing you don't reply to, is there?
The term illegal alien is used in my home country for someone who is illegally in the country. Perhaps not yours.Hijo, I read the thread title and immediately visualized a little green man in my mind.
Evidently, we have some areas where we think in tandem!
Do I like that term? Of course I do, because it is the legally correct term and that is why I use it to refer to illegals in any country including the DR.
Here are some definitions for you and Hijo so you can also use the correct terminology:
Alien (definition in law)
In law, an alien is any person who is not a citizen or a national of a specific country, although definitions and terminology differ to some degree depending upon the continent or region. More generally, however, the term "alien" is perceived as synonymous with foreign national.
Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is an alien. Aliens who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law as illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.
The term “alien” means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
—United States Code, Title 8, §1101(a)(3)
An illegal alien…is any alien (1) whose most recent entry into the United States was without inspection, or (2) whose most recent admission to the United States was as a nonimmigrant and—(A) whose period of authorized stay as a nonimmigrant expired, or (B) whose unlawful status was known to the Government, before the date of the commission of the crime for which the alien is convicted.
—United States Code, Title 8, §1365(b)
"Illegal Alien": The Proper Terminology | Federation for American Immigration Reform
Under federal law, any non-U.S. citizen is an alien. Aliens who have entered the United States without permission, or who have violated the terms of their admission, are identified under the law as illegal aliens. That is a fact, not an issue for debate.
Please list your cases where illegals "are not offered the same rights under the law"?
You make blanket, handwaving statements with no concrete citations then you need to attack me personally? I'm simply asking you to cite evidence of the statements you make on this board
Which is why I asked the question. My friend, who lives full time in the DR as an illegal alien, has both a moto and a car. He will be happy that he can continue to drive both unimpeded despite not having the proper licensing for either. 😇
Often the Haitians react aggressively when being confronted by police, and it is understandable if they have been here a while and accumulated some possessions and face going back to homelessness & poverty.
But radios travel fast. I saw one Hatitian trying to pull away from a couple policeman in Batey, Then he was joined by a couple other Haitians trying to pull him away but a PN truck pulled up and the fight became one sided in favor of the police and all 3 were carted away.
My Dominican neighbor often gets drunk and turns his music up too loud and goes late and twice got into argumentative with the PN when they came to tone it down. He was beaten pretty good both times with head swelled, black eyes and even a broken arm plus a couple days in a cell.
So beatings are routinely handed out - do not doubt that.
What extended visa? The only thing pre-payment of an overstay does is that you are paying the fine ahead of time. It is a fine, not a fee, whether you pay it up front or on departure. The fines are outside the legal system, an administrative work around as described by DR1's lawyer.
Not a fee, it is a fine. Do you pay a fee or a fine if you overpark? Overstaying is illegal , makes one an illegal alien and it is a fine.
They don't make different laws, they just prejudicially enforce them. That much is clear.
No, you, again, are exploiting. I reported it. I'm sure you will continue regardless.
Meanwhile what rights are not afforded to illegal aliens such as myself? I'm waiting...
The ability to open a bank account after 30 days.
The ability to get a refund on a tourist card
The ability to stay in the country over 30 days and not pay a fine for being an illegal alien
Are those really "rights" in your context? Perhaps not.
Now for what I consider actual rights:
The right to legally drive a car after 90 days of being in the DR.
The right to legally drive a motorcycle. The actual point of this thread.
The right to get a license to own a concealed carry a pistol
The right to own a shotgun
In addition, I have the right to vote, you do not. I also have the right to get a DR passport and have free basic SENASA insurance.
I think there are some laws about lawsuits that are different for those illegally in the country, but I would defer to legal experts on those details.
Perhaps none of the above are important to you. It is obvious there are some who don't care about those details.
No, those are privileges. I'm sorry. I am sticking to all humans on the ground are offered the same basic rights under the law. Privileges, i agreed with, that is a known quantity and you need to read up where i had already mentioned that. When you say "rights under law" it's a different ballgame. An illegal may go file a complaint for instance for a restraining order or defamation etc. An illegal is still protected by the fuerza pública in the events that would merit so.
Driving is a privalege, not a right. All folks are afforded the same rights under the law. Bank accounts and driving, etc are not "rights under the law". I'm surprised you mention this.
The ability to open a bank account after 30 days. NOT TRUE. Plenty of banks could care less about this.
The ability to get a refund on a tourist card. True you give up $10 and pay Thousands of dollars in return.
The ability to stay in the country over 30 days and not pay a fine for being an illegal alien. Same as above.
The right to legally drive a car after 90 days of being in the DR. As stated people have been driving like this for 30 yrs.
The right to legally drive a motorcycle. The actual point of this thread. Same as above.
The right to get a license to own a concealed carry a pistol True . Do most people need this?
The right to own a shotgun. Same as above.
In addition, I have the right to vote, you do not. I also have the right to get a DR passport and have free basic SENASA insurance.. True. How many times have ;you voted? DR Passport will cost you Thousands of dollars and years of aggravation. Basic SENASA you will find out the first time you use it is WORTHLESS...........
The ability to get a refund on a tourist card. True you give up $10 and pay Thousands of dollars in return.
The ability to stay in the country over 30 days and not pay a fine for being an illegal alien. Same as above.
The right to legally drive a car after 90 days of being in the DR. As stated people have been driving like this for 30 yrs.
The right to legally drive a motorcycle. The actual point of this thread. Same as above.
The right to get a license to own a concealed carry a pistol True . Do most people need this?
The right to own a shotgun. Same as above.
In addition, I have the right to vote, you do not. I also have the right to get a DR passport and have free basic SENASA insurance.. True. How many times have ;you voted? DR Passport will cost you Thousands of dollars and years of aggravation. Basic SENASA you will find out the first time you use it is WORTHLESS...........
It is entirely relevant to the discussion at hand. Not all over-stayers/illegal aliens are given the same protections/due process under the law. As far as commenting on everything, pot meet kettle.
You're splitting hairs. Basically you are a scofflaw. You do not have any right to be behind the wheel then.
My Dominican passport/citizenship was cheap, and no aggravation for the citizenship, although plenty on the process for getting the passport. As far as rights versus privileges, just semantics. I am a rule of law person. I try not to break any laws or rules. Inheritance rules/laws is another area affected by citizenship or lack of.