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ExtremeR

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I find it inconceivable that private investors would be able to fund most of it. I'm sure what they will want to charge will leave the majority of those who travel back and forth to the capital from Santiago to use the traditional means.

Remember, a Caribe Tours one way ticket from Santiago to the capital is still RD200 something, and in fact there are other buses that are even cheaper. Do the numbers or "proforma" as we like to call it in the developing sector and start crunching numbers and see what you come up with. Estimate US80million per mile of construction.

As far as the comment that at least the Dominican gov't is still doing something for the people, I would like to agree - for the few people that win the contracts to do the work(who are no doubt in cahoots with the politicians) and the relatively few who can afford a ticket.

Look for the exchange rate to hit 50 to one as Leonel passes this one on to us, the taxpayers. If this happens, we may have to adopt the "come solo" saying as the official slogan of the Dominican gov't.


Im sorry I may sidetrack this but Chip I read a lot of your post and agree to most of them but what is your problem with the actual government??? there's no electricity where you live??? If you lived here more than 15 years you will know that the only President that have done anything for this country is Leonel Fernandez and the PLD, while is true they may keep stealing money from the erario, they actually have something to show for the people, this was a trashdump when Balaguer was still in power, do you know that the exchange rate should be way over 50 right know with the Oil Crisis and world economic crisis?? Why do you think it is still at 34.50 very stable?? Supply and Demand?? think again...

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suarezn

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Didn't you also ask to pass the joint when the metro was not yet a reality?

No I didn't...I never said it wasn't going to be a reality. You probably don't remember as you were high from the fumes already. Even if it's almost "done" I still don't agree with the way it was built.

Chiri: Agree with your post and on a side note we in Cotui are tired of generating electricity (from our Hatillo Dam) which is then transferred to power Puerto Plata's resorts while Cotui receives 10 hours of power a day, if so. There's my little rant for the day...Now back to more of that good stuff Pichardo is smoking...
 

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Remember, a Caribe Tours one way ticket from Santiago to the capital is still RD200 something, and in fact there are other buses that are even cheaper. Do the numbers or "proforma" as we like to call it in the developing sector and start crunching numbers and see what you come up with. Estimate US80million per mile of construction.

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Those that can afford it and would like to get there comfortable and fast will travel by train
and those that can afford the time, uncomfortable bumpy ride will continue taking busses.

"Para el gusto se hicieron los colores".
 

ElvisNYC

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Even if it's almost "done" I still don't agree with the way it was built.

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So Engineer Suarezn, could you please iluminate us in the correct processes and procedures of building a Metro in a mayor city with very serious transport problems??

I'm no engineer, but it would have been better to remove all carro conchos and cheaper, too ! ;)
 

suarezn

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Even if it's almost "done" I still don't agree with the way it was built.
So Engineer Suarezn, could you please iluminate us in the correct processes and procedures of building a Metro in a mayor city with very serious transport problems??

Look we all have our opinions about that project. It's been rehashed ad nauseam in other threads. I'm not going to get into another loooong discussion about how that money would have been better spent (Education, Health, maybe not necessarily build it underground, maybe even inform the country of how much it is really being spent, maybe tell the country how much will be spent per year to subsidize this losing "investment" for freaking ever, etc, etc, etc...)
 

ExtremeR

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Even if it's almost "done" I still don't agree with the way it was built.

Look we all have our opinions about that project. It's been rehashed ad nauseam in other threads. I'm not going to get into another loooong discussion about how that money would have been better spent (Education, Health, maybe not necessarily build it underground, maybe even inform the country of how much it is really being spent, maybe tell the country how much will be spent per year to subsidize this losing "investment" for freaking ever, etc, etc, etc...)

That sounds like the old rethoric Miguel Vargas got tired of saying and saying all over before the ellections, but the fact is they had the power for 4 years without money going for any Metro, and they have nothing to show for it, well only a peatonal bridge in the Maximo Gomez con 27 resembling the H of Hipolito when looked from above.
 

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And who would provide transportation?? and what the government and the people would do with thousands of jobless choferes who are a step away of beeing criminals??

This would've worked in Santo Domingo !

BRT Policy Center: Guayaquil Metrovia

I used to live in Guayaquil and the traffic problem was a nightmare. There would be hundreds of run down buses trying to pick up passengers in 3 lane streets. Anywhere where the customer flagged them down, those buses would stop (similiar to conchos as they stop anywhere)

However, under the current administration they decided to implement this bus system and it actually works, and has eliminated the traffic in most areas and has allowed people to travel conveniently, cheaply and faster.

And the fare is $ 0.25 cents (about 7.50 pesos)
 

ElvisNYC

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And who would provide transportation?? and what the government and the people would do with thousands of jobless choferes who are a step away of beeing criminals??

But there are lots of jobless non choferes who are doing lots of criminal activity! As there is no work, and if there is work, who could afford to live on 4-8,000 pesos a month ??????? People cannot afford cooking gas, platanos (12-16 pesos), fuel, etc.. etc.. However, they do have the metro !

IMO, I love DR and its people, but it would have been better to utilize this money in other investments towards developing DR into a world center of commerce, education, telecommunications instead of using $700+ millions to reduce the traffic in Santo Domingo !
 

suarezn

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That sounds like the old rethoric Miguel Vargas got tired of saying and saying all over before the ellections, but the fact is they had the power for 4 years without money going for any Metro, and they have nothing to show for it, well only a peatonal bridge in the Maximo Gomez con 27 resembling the H of Hipolito when looked from above.

OK...Whatever. For a second there I though you were actually going to have some debatable facts, not just the old "The PRD is worse..." argument. Now I see you're not worth the time. At least Pichardo writes well and is probably getting paid "mad" money to be a "spokesperson" for The PLD, so I can understand his motivation and optimism.
 

PICHARDO

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OK...Whatever. For a second there I though you were actually going to have some debatable facts, not just the old "The PRD is worse..." argument. Now I see you're not worth the time. At least Pichardo writes well and is probably getting paid "mad" money to be a "spokesperson" for The PLD, so I can understand his motivation and optimism.

"Spokesperson" nice ring to it, but no...

I on the other hand, participate actively in our country's development...

I know some stuff you don't and a whole lot of others only see in their dreams...
 

PICHARDO

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This would've worked in Santo Domingo !

BRT Policy Center: Guayaquil Metrovia

I used to live in Guayaquil and the traffic problem was a nightmare. There would be hundreds of run down buses trying to pick up passengers in 3 lane streets. Anywhere where the customer flagged them down, those buses would stop (similiar to conchos as they stop anywhere)

However, under the current administration they decided to implement this bus system and it actually works, and has eliminated the traffic in most areas and has allowed people to travel conveniently, cheaply and faster.

And the fare is $ 0.25 cents (about 7.50 pesos)

Not a real possible solution to a city like SD and the projected growth for the time to come. The buses have a very short lifetime when doing that kind of service. For Guayaquil the cure is dandy, the same may prove to be poison for SD...

Think that the same plan would create even more congestion when several lanes are taken out of service just for the buses in the city. The congestion in the streets of SD are not from buses collecting people but a good chunk of private and commercial vehicles.

The SD Metro will help clear the basic modes of transport in many routes, as well as offer a better choice to private car owners to use the public system.

One city's solution is not akin to another's pain...
 

PICHARDO

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This would've worked in Santo Domingo !

BRT Policy Center: Guayaquil Metrovia

I used to live in Guayaquil and the traffic problem was a nightmare. There would be hundreds of run down buses trying to pick up passengers in 3 lane streets. Anywhere where the customer flagged them down, those buses would stop (similiar to conchos as they stop anywhere)

However, under the current administration they decided to implement this bus system and it actually works, and has eliminated the traffic in most areas and has allowed people to travel conveniently, cheaply and faster.

And the fare is $ 0.25 cents (about 7.50 pesos)
Not a real possible solution to a city like SD and the projected growth for the time to come. The buses have a very short lifetime when doing that kind of service. For Guayaquil the cure is dandy, the same may prove to be poison for SD...

Think that the same plan would create even more congestion when several lanes are taken out of service just for the buses in the city. The congestion in the streets of SD are not from buses collecting people but a good chunk of private and commercial vehicles.

The SD Metro will help clear the basic modes of transport in many routes, as well as offer a better choice to private car owners to use the public system.

One city's solution is not akin to another's pain...
 

PICHARDO

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En el "hablar" de la politica de RD, se calientan demasiado los sesos... LOL!!!

Por esa misma razon, yo nunca incluyo la politica en ninguna parte de mis posts...

A todos los que son Dominicanos de pura cepa y aquellos extranjeros que hoy viven en la RD: Se es Dominicano al momento de tocar suelo Dominicano, no importando de donde se provenga!!!!!

Como diria el Mayimbe: Tabaco y Ron! Y como diria el caballo mayor: El Tabaco es fuerte pero hay que fumarlo!!!!

Tomense una copita de ron, enciendan un gustoso de la "Aurora" y dejen la politica a los muertos, que esos si que saben quien es que manda en la RD...
 

PICHARDO

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Chip: Don't waste your time arguing with this guy Extreme. His logic or lack thereof is astounding...Like I said Pichardo I respect because even though if you believe his posts we'll be surpassing South Korea any time now in modernism, at least he writes coherently, his posts are consistent and he's probably making so much money from The PLD being in power that eventyhing is just gravy right now...

"One man's garbage is another's treasure"...

Suarezn: You may not like it b/c somebody else other than your "choice" of political party is currently listening (albeit in a very limited way) to the input of many people with the country's best interest in their hearts.

I must tell you this: Scan my old posts regarding the changes that I listed that will take place in the DR in the coming short term and pair each with the latest news regarding the issues in the newspapers...

Using new bulbs to cut power usage = Underway as we chit-chat here...

Using privateers to fund, with state backed loans, Ethanol, Bio Diesel, improvements to hydro plants, etc... = Underway in a big way...

Using VAT to compensate for the loss that will create the already coming to gradual implementation of RD-CAFTA agreements = Underway in no small way...

Using private investors to take over the SD METRO next phases (including current line) = Underway and many to be announced soon enough...

Using private sources to fund the SD - Santiago high speed train = Already waiting legislation to proceed full speed ahead...

Creation of a national link via airports in each major city/province and air taxi with state/private investment = Take a ride on the air taxi already available at any airport of the ones already operating and the newest entering operations as we chit chat here...

Evolution of public schools into the online age education = Already more and more computers centers being habilitated to this end in all municipalities in the national territory with full funding from the gov. As I said before, no more funding for an old failed system will take place.

The creation of a fool-proof national identity card via which way, Dominicans won't have to compete for jobs with people offering to do so at unlivable wages = The JCE is already scanning all existent Cedulas by hand and eyes, with a finger licking to moist the tips as they scan the folios for the corroborating data implied. No more frauds... No need to create walls like other countries...

Regarding e-currency, ask any economist (that knows what they're talking about) if the amounts of the current orders to fill the needs of the nation are any closer than 10% of the real needs that the current amount of currency in circulation denotes and calls for...

It's called "buying time". As the gov needs to overhaul the banking system before it takes place.

Add this to what I already allowed you to know about it:

Cars imported into the DR by private citizens or new residents will have strict new rules, among them: Same year as importation date (always 4 months before of end of calendar/year, if not must be next calendar year model).
No more 8 cylinders, unless for commercial usage under prior permit to import.
No more 6 cylinders unable to switch from gasoline to E85 Ethanol or 10 - 15% mixture of both. E85 and hybrids will get a deep discount rate to Gas/10/15% ones. Electrical vehicles will have a special rate that would allow the adoption of such technology to be of cost savings at time of import over all other options.

The DR is actively securing a deal with a major automaker to assemble flex fuel vehicles in the DR as well as buses for the public transportation system.

Two of our best qualified people are in California, going over the emissions requirements they use there and their possible application to the DR.

Among other things being done...
 

PICHARDO

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Chip: Like the order from Trujillo mandated "all are Dominicans those who step onto Dominican soil" Simple!!!


Just the mere fact that your blood boils as you exchange views when touching political views, goes the lenght to demostrate how "Dominican" you have become already!!!!

Un platano de pura cepa injertada!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!
 

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i heard that they will also include a stop at the soon to be built dominican rocket center where you catch the dominican space shuttle to the first settlement on the moon, condos and villas being sold now at pre-construction prices. this is the 500 year plan. the govt. will soon be making appointments to the board of directors, D.A.S.T.A.R.D.S. .....dominican air space transport and receiving dollars stolen.
 

ElvisNYC

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Not a real possible solution to a city like SD and the projected growth for the time to come. The buses have a very short lifetime when doing that kind of service. For Guayaquil the cure is dandy, the same may prove to be poison for SD...

Think that the same plan would create even more congestion when several lanes are taken out of service just for the buses in the city. The congestion in the streets of SD are not from buses collecting people but a good chunk of private and commercial vehicles.

The SD Metro will help clear the basic modes of transport in many routes, as well as offer a better choice to private car owners to use the public system.

One city's solution is not akin to another's pain...

Guayaquil is a growing city and main port, and had problems with traffic and crime. The city's administration created a solution which didn't cost $1 billion+ for its population of 2-3 million + people, similar to Santo Domingo's population. If they would initiated a plan to spend $1 billion dollars for a public transport, our people have rejected that idea immediately.

I highly doubt that private car owners will use this public system, because you and I know both that middle class/upper middle class people wouldn't consider using mass transit as a means of transportation. Latin americans with money do not use mass transportation ! They don't even walk more than a few blocks !