Berzin's Excellent Adventure Pt.II...

Berzin

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Here is the part where I blab away.

I listened a lot and learned even more on this trip than ever before. I also got to meet more people than ever. Experience is the best teacher, and with so much great advice on how things get done in the DR on this site, it's no substitute for being there and living it.

I traveled all over the Cibao and a couple of places in Santo Domingo, educating myself on the current state of the real estate market-prices per meter for land, what the general costs are depending on location, surroundings, etc.

I spoke at length to a couple of architects and got a chance to see them at work doing various duties and was given tours of the work they've done and are currently working on. These appointments were critical and usually wound up lasting much longer than the allotted times due to the apparent openness of the professionals I met. They were very friendly and giving of their time. I also got to see some very beautiful houses from the inside.

I got to see a plumber at work, who came in to fix a leak in the bathroom and wound up making it worse. He talked five times as much as he worked, and after he got done the water now shot out of the hot/cold water valves. The valves themselves had to be turned on and removed from the wall and the water collected in a bucket for a shower to be possible. The owners of the home got quite an attitude out of the guy, who was busy fighting on the phone over how much he was going to charge to fix something he broke and how it wasn't his fault.

A guy who owed a lawyer 10,000 pesos for a real estate transaction shows up on a street corner with 2,000 pesos and a smile, thinking that because the transaction was between friends/family members he wasn't required to pay the agreed upon fee. He felt very comfortable paying whatever he felt like paying and walked off without a hint of shame.

A few observations-

1) When something goes wrong, blame is deflected first and foremost. In fact, the manner in which discussions took place were always the same-deflecting blame takes precedence over solving the issue at hand. If you needed something done and it wasn't carried through, it's not their fault they forgot-it's your fault for not reminding them a million times. As long as that fact is established, a Dominican will have a good nights' sleep. So stand your ground and never let anyone run you over. You won't get respect any other way.

2) People expect you to read minds. Travel arrangements will change without your knowledge and you are expected to know of the changes, simply because if you are caught off-guard or unprepared it will always be your fault for not assuming even though no one told you what changes were in place.

3) One of the moist aggressive drivers I've ever seen in my life was a mild-mannered and easy-going structural engineer from the capital, who drove a two-seat pick-up truck with a baby in the back wedged against the front passenger seat for protection. This to me seemed the height of lunacy with a two-month old child in the back, but that's how she rolled.

4) Everywhere we went someone was giving us something from the backyard, whether it be a huge sack full of platanos from a small farm in Villa Taina or spinach and other things from places like Bonao or Moca. We never left anywhere empty-handed. Even on quick visits it was always "ben, dejame darte un poquito d'eto antes que te vayas..."

5) The Dominicans I met weren't as neurotically hyper-judgmental as some posters have made it seem when it comes to befriending foreigners. I got the sense that Dominicans have a much better sense of humor over turista shenanigans than is portrayed. Not I initiated the subject, but it was brought up a few times due to the fact that a turista was amongst them out in the campo where one is hardly ever seen. So I had to answer for my fellow travelers, and the conversations were always a laugh a minute.

6) The way things get done is with connections. Architects, building maestros, trade specialists and common construction laborers all know each other. If the first guy in line is dishonest, you can forget the others going down the line.

7) Sharing is key. If someone gives you something, make it known through your deeds that you are "disponible" to aid and assist when and where you can. This keeps the pipelines open and will help cement the interpersonal relationships that are key to a successful life in the DR. And it doesn't have to be a huge gesture. I spent an afternoon helping a young man with some basketball drills while on a visit and the family was very appreciative.

8) The best bet for living in the DR would be to live close to native Dominicans you know are good people. Having trustworthy neighbors is indispensable, and will be of more use than living in some tourist enclave where your next door neighbor could possible be some shady ex-pat running from the law.

9) You will never see some of the most beautiful, intelligent and well-raised Dominican women on the island if all you do is go to tourist spots exclusively, and will never meet them unless you have friends to introduce you. It just ain't gonna happen. I also met a few from good families who were beautiful but frivolous, lazy and uninteresting (I'm sure the thought the same of me), so don't be fooled.

Some of this stuff have been written about before, but like I said since this is from personal experience, it had a much more profound impact than just reading it from a computer screen.
 
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Berzin

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Ikea Santo Domingo-
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I heard this theme park cost 35 million pesos-
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From the Ikea cafeteria-
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Having coffee at a friend's house in the Zona Colonial-
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rice&beans

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Excellent........I especially liked the "plumber story" and of course the "2000 pesos and a smile" snippet.
 
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dulce

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Ditto what R&B said. Good observations!
You look great drinking that coffee at your friends house. That's not a tourist look at all. It is a good look for getting a date in SD.
 

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FROM my exaulted height (that is, from my very own and oh-so-perfect perch) I heartily approve of this. Please note the well dressed presence of the OP. Casual in front of IKEA and quite "spiffy" drinking coffee....This represents a person that you would be comfortable with inviting him into your home for a beer and a conversation.

This is what we all mean about dressing appropriately...This is what I see in my classrooms and in the nicer eateries.

As for his experiences? Beautifully described, well written. One of the best posts of the year.

I have spoken. Read and Heed!

HB
 
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Here is the part where I blab away.


A guy who owed a lawyer 10,000 pesos for a real estate transaction shows up on a street corner with 2,000 pesos and a smile, thinking that because the transaction was between friends/family members he wasn't required to pay the agreed upon fee. He felt very comfortable paying whatever he felt like paying and walked off without a hint of shame.

Great report Berzin!

The Gringos should learn something from us Dominican here, we will never pay the full price, because people always ask for an inflated price expecting a lower amount of money. Not even a rich Dominican would it had paid the $10,000 pesos. It is in the Dominican psychic to haggle.
 

rice&beans

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Much appreciated...

R&B:

I have to give you props!!!!

You do not have 1000+ posts BUT have over 7000+ rep points.

Why?

Because you have a way with words!!!!!

A pic is worth 1000+ words!

ok Back to your regularly schedule program.:bunny::bunny:



Thanx for the compliment BB.....there are many other posters on DR1 who have forgotten more than I will ever know.

There are posters who have been here on DR1 alot longer than me, and of course the posters who actually live there, that have contributed interesting and valuable information on a consistent basis. For that, I say thank you!!


Again, great report Berzin.......

;););)
 

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awesome post!

Wow great trip report and great tips from your personal experience!

8) The best bet for living in the DR would be to live close to native Dominicans you know are good people. Having trustworthy neighbors is indispensable, and will be of more use than living in some tourist enclave where your next door neighbor could possible be some shady ex-pat running from the law.

Im not a great judge of character, so its hard for me to determine who on the island is a "Good Person" but kudos on that tip hehe.

9) You will NEVER see some of the most beautiful, intelligent and well-raised Dominican women on the island if all you do is go to tourist spots exclusively, and will never meet them unless you have friends to introduce you. It just ain't gonna happen. I also met a few from good families who were beautiful but frivolous, lazy and uninteresting (I'm sure the thought the same of me), so don't be fooled.

Truer words have never been spoken! Cibao has some of the most beautiful women, and i was actually introduced to a brilliant girl in Santiago who was a friend of my friends girlfriend( His girlfriend worked at a cellphone store in Santiago). Definately a step-up from the tourist spots with all the scammers and hustlers and such( a barber in Sosua once tried to get me to marry his under-aged daughter)

I dont know if you are from DR Berzin or possibly have some spanish in you but when you were in the non-tourist areas did alot of people stare at you? Is that common over there because in NY thats considered rude. Also what was the name of that river you were standing near?
 

Berzin

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...when you were in the non-tourist areas did alot of people stare at you? Is that common over there because in NY thats considered rude.

I didn't notice anyone staring, not like in the tourist areas, where that type of body language is more common.

Also what was the name of that river you were standing near?

I'm not sure of the name of the river, but there were two I visited that day and one is named the River Camu if that helps.
 

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Great pics Berzin in both of your posts. I see the one pic of you with the long sleeve shirt on. I used to think that was insane but after seeing many Dominicans wearing a long sleeve shirt with an undershirt I tried it. Actually it felt cooler than wearing a short sleeve shirt.