The real goal of the new law on residency could be taxation??

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This is only my personal opinion.
When an individual becomes a resident in a country and resides there for more as 183 days a year, he becomes taxable in that country for his world-wide earnings (income, intrests, dividends, royalties ...). This is the general principle.
It depends on the tax treaty "to avoid double taxation" that exists between his country and the country of residence if there is any.
With this new law they have all the information served on a plate : your well documented visum application and all your ins and outs on the national airports. They only need to count the days.
It is probably the reason why in the new law is stipulated that the maximum time out of the DR to keep your residency is six months.
They are probably only after your tax money.
What do you think?
 
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So, you're going to use the roads, expect the military, police and fire services to do their jobs, have the towns run, and be miraculously exempt from all that because you're from someplace else?

Just because the DR doesn't run like a Swiss watch doesn't mean it's all done for free. You want to spend substantial amounts of time there, you should help to pay part of the tab - and not just by buying stuff and hiring a maid.

Furthermore, people on this board are forever talking about expats who are beyond shady preying on whoever they can find in the tourist areas. I'm sure Dominican officials are tired of dealing with these people as well.

So, maybe it's because - like most other countries - they want to keep track of who is in the country, encourage those who will make a significant financial contribution to the economy, and discourage those who will be more of a burden (namely, those with a contagious disease, nasty criminal history, or who are simply too poor to live decently there.)
 
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DRob said:
So, you're going to use the roads, expect the military, police and fire services to do their jobs, have the towns run, and be miraculously exempt from all that because you're from someplace else?

Just because the DR doesn't run like a Swiss watch doesn't mean it's all done for free. You want to spend substantial amounts of time there, you should help to pay part of the tab - and not just by buying stuff and hiring a maid.

Furthermore, people on this board are forever talking about expats who are beyond shady preying on whoever they can find in the tourist areas. I'm sure Dominican officials are tired of dealing with these people as well.

So, maybe it's because - like most other countries - they want to keep track of who is in the country, encourage those who will make a significant financial contribution to the economy, and discourage those who will be more of a burden (namely, those with a contagious disease, nasty criminal history, or who are simply too poor to live decently there.)
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"blah blah blah .....the state....blah...blah blah...the state ...blah ...blah"

Regarding use of the roads, bridges, police etc.: The average expat/foreigner in whatever amount of time they spend in the DR contributes thousands of percent more than they use compared the average local - and it starts with the tourist visa fee upon landing. They consume more, use hotels and restaurants more, and thus pay more in taxes ...far more than any local per capita - the typical foreigner spends more in a week than a local does in 6 months- at the least .

Regarding contributing, buying stuff, hiring a maid, using stuff for free: Isn't buying stuff contributing....isn't that the point of capitalism ?- you buy, pay sales taxes, companies sell products, pay taxes, hie employess who then spend - etc.
Are you that ignorant of economics ??? Go ahead and ask the maid who is able to support or partially support her household how she would feel if she were laid off ?? Since when is providing a job not "contributing" ???

Regarding keeping track, encouraging financial contribution: They want to keep track of who is in the country .....why ? for what reason ?? How would you like to bet that at least 97% of all crime in the DR is committed by native Dominicans .....how about they take the same time and money and focus on that.

The best way to encourage financial contribution is to make it easier for people to come, go, and do business NOT more difficult. In particular, do not harass or spook the people most likely to contribute money, start businesses, hire, and contribute skills - expats from "1st world countries." The economy will grow and unemployment will go down.
Free markets, free movement of capital, free movement of people.

You sir know nothing about economics and the real world. (see PICHARDO)

You are a statist (with likely fascistic or communistic tendencies)
All the changes you support will do the exact opposite thing to happen that you claim and stifle the economy and government revenue. Nor will it make the place safer. The criminal element in the DR is not foreign (by and large).
The Haitians provide cheap labor and keep a low profile (always in physical fear of being the sqeaky wheel) and the other foreigners keep to themselves doing business or vacationing.
 
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kdolo said:
"blah blah blah .....the state....blah...blah blah...the state ...blah ...blah"

Regarding use of the roads, bridges, police etc.: The average expat/foreigner in whatever amount of time they spend in the DR contributes thousands of percent more than they use compared the average local - and it starts with the tourist visa fee upon landing. They consume more, use hotels and restaurants more, and thus pay more in taxes ...far more than any local per capita - the typical foreigner spends more in a week than a local does in 6 months- at the least .

Regarding contributing, buying stuff, hiring a maid, using stuff for free: Isn't buying stuff contributing....isn't that the point of capitalism ?- you buy, pay sales taxes, companies sell products, pay taxes, hie employess who then spend - etc.
Are you that ignorant of economics ??? Go ahead and ask the maid who is able to support or partially support her household how she would feel if she were laid off ?? Since when is providing a job not "contributing" ???

Regarding keeping track, encouraging financial contribution: They want to keep track of who is in the country .....why ? for what reason ?? How would you like to bet that at least 97% of all crime in the DR is committed by native Dominicans .....how about they take the same time and money and focus on that.

The best way to encourage financial contribution is to make it easier for people to come, go, and do business NOT more difficult. In particular, do not harass or spook the people most likely to contribute money, start businesses, hire, and contribute skills - expats from "1st world countries." The economy will grow and unemployment will go down.
Free markets, free movement of capital, free movement of people.

You sir know nothing about economics and the real world. (see PICHARDO)

You are a statist (with likely fascistic or communistic tendencies)
All the changes you support will do the exact opposite thing to happen that you claim and stifle the economy and government revenue. Nor will it make the place safer. The criminal element in the DR is not foreign (by and large).
The Haitians provide cheap labor and keep a low profile (always in physical fear of being the sqeaky wheel) and the other foreigners keep to themselves doing business or vacationing.
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I tend to lean left in my politics, but you've written many truths, kdolo.
 
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I was thinking this law will provide Immigration and laywers the chance to extort more bigger $$ out of of people.For instance the immigration people make a$$ under the table by helping people get out of the country that have denucias on them,. Maybe they are feeling a bit left out as the Police service and other government agencies are making big $$$ off the drug trafficking? I remeber when i left last time the immigration guy tried to hit me up for more pesos when I was leaving after I over stayed and I told him no the price is this according to your immigration website he was a bit ****ed off but what could he do maybe they are ****ed that they can not extort more money out of people because it is common knowledge that you pay a fine. It is kinda like when you get stopped at a police road block here forst they ask if you got a gun when you say no they ask if you got a licence insurannce etc etc untill you just give then what they want and thats a few pesos. Also on shady expats yes there are shady expats and lower class expats that are here living like poor Dominicans but in all honestly in the time i have been in this country it is the Dominican that has f#$ked me over but I understand and have learned how to not get f@#ked. All I am saying is that if other latin countries are trying to attract expats this country seems to be doing things to push them away and for those that say the expat $$ dont count for much just take a trip to the North Coast I dont see Dominicans renting condos in Sosua or Cabarete unless they have a expat boyfriend or girlfriend.
 
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Oh also I belive the increase in crime as well is foregin the thousands of Domincans that have been deported from the USA for criminal activities and have bought the criminal attitude with them and they have applied it succesfully in a country that pretty much promotes any type of way to make $$ illeagal or legal.
 
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They may have their reasons. But when their economy relies heavily off of tourism and visitors in the middle of a worldly economic crisis, it might not be a good idea to make changes that could make people not come and spend money. They should have left it the way it was.
 
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They may have their reasons. But when their economy relies heavily off of tourism and visitors in the middle of a worldly economic crisis, it might not be a good idea to make changes that could make people not come and spend money. They should have left it the way it was.
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Like I said, myopic.
 
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They may have their reasons. But when their economy relies heavily off of tourism and visitors in the middle of a worldly economic crisis, it might not be a good idea to make changes that could make people not come and spend money. They should have left it the way it was.
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Their reasons are as follows:

1. Ignorance: of economics and business: most politicians are lifelong bureaucrats or lawyers: most know little of how real business works (and are even hostile to it) - they think that they can pass any kind of law without side effects on the economy.

2. Indoctrination: subtle indoctrination of a communistic bent: hence talk of "...the state....the government....etc." - as if merely becasue the government wants something or does it that it is a priori a valid or smart thing to do.

3. Stupidity: no one wants to think deeply or learn about anything.

4. Greed: typical governmental greed: let's steal from the productive or potentially productive to give to the unproductive (bureacrats/politicians/loafers)

5. CONTROL: Fascistic or Communistic types - Sociopaths - these types are always attracted to government in order to exercise control over others just for the thrill they get of doing it. Government and law enforcement is littered with these types. "...why should people be able to travel just because they feel like it ?.....traveling is a privilege not a right ...those serfs !!! the nerve of them to think they have rights"

6. USA/EUROPE: in a bid to shore up their faltering economies, the 1st World is probably influencing nations like the DR to make things difficult for Europeans and North Americans who might want to move themselves and their capital and spend it elsewhere. Gotta Keep the slaves on the plantation.
 
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kdolo said:
"blah blah blah .....the state....blah...blah blah...the state ...blah ...blah"


You sir know nothing about economics and the real world. (see PICHARDO)

You are a statist (with likely fascistic or communistic tendencies)
All the changes you support will do the exact opposite thing to happen that you claim and stifle the economy and government revenue. Nor will it make the place safer. The criminal element in the DR is not foreign (by and large).
The Haitians provide cheap labor and keep a low profile (always in physical fear of being the sqeaky wheel) and the other foreigners keep to themselves doing business or vacationing.
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"blah blah blah?" "you sir, are a statist?"

Are you freaking kidding me? That's the best you can do?

That's got to be one of the most uber-right dogmatic pavlovian Hannity-and-Rush-Tell-Me-How-To-Groupthink bits of egocentric selfishassiness that I've seen in some time on this thread.

Who are you to tell Dominicans how to run their country? It ain't yours, they can do what they bloody well please, just like it is in our home countries. Obviously, they've tried the "our immigration policy is like a sieve," and that didn't work so well, so now they're jumping on the bandwagon with much of the rest of the world. You can complain all you want, but if you don't like it, there's around 200 others to choose from. Get over yourself.

The "evil" rules you so disdain are in place in numerous caribbean and latin american countries, as well as here in the US. (Go google EB-5 designations for immigrants, read for five minutes, and then come back and pretend to be an expert on the subject, per your usual.)

An economy is not built on the fact you pay a maid a fraction of what you'd have to pay someone back home. It's built on education, infrastructure, innovation (through grants) and a whole lot of other ish best done on an enterprise-level.

Any fool knows that. The only real question is whether you're a cheap, trifling, myopic fool.

I don't care how much Travis Tritt thinks otherwise, the best, most successful large and sophisticated societies thrive when the private and public sectors work together. Anything else is libertarian fantasy time.

Regarding keeping track of immigrants, again they have a right to do so. We do the EXACT SAME THING in the US, and it's far more prevalent in most of the more interesting parts of Europe.

The truth is DR has been treated like a hideout for some of the worst jackasses in NA and Europe for years (petty criminals, extortionists, grifters, child molesters and pornographers, etc.)

Add that to the fact that people who are seriously ill but can't pay for their health care at home run up the cost of medical care.

Finally, there's no shortage of people who are looking to relocate and live off $500 per month. They don't know Spanish, don't understand how the DR operates, and quickly become a burden in a country that's struggling with it's own people.

So, to break it down in "kdolo-simpletonese," the citizens of the (sovereign nation) Dominican Republic have a vested right and interest in knowing the non-citizens who reside within their borders, what they are doing, and how they intend to sustain themselves so as not to become a burden to others.

Now go "blah blah blah" that.
 
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DRob I agree with some of your points but really lets call the DR for what it really is and not compare it to the USA also if anyone is living of 500 a month here thats pretty good. The DR is what it is the tax $$$ do not make it to the poor in this country it goes to bigger jeeps or vacation homes call a spade a spade. Also how are these sleazy expats allowed to do what they want here? Because they pay plain and simple just like how the Mexican cartels Puerto rican dons Russian mafia Colomibia cartels are allowed to operate here because they pay. Also while i love the USA (not American) if i wanted to live in a place like the USA I would live there. The DR is what it is and guess what its not goingto change with new immigration laws on second thought it will if expats leave then the tourist areas suffer more during low season resulting in more crime in the area then resulting in more negative news spread thru the internet and word of mouth about the DR in turn results in tourists going to other mor inviting countries.
 
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DRob said:
"blah blah blah?" "you sir, are a statist?"

Are you freaking kidding me? That's the best you can do?

That's got to be one of the most uber-right dogmatic pavlovian Hannity-and-Rush-Tell-Me-How-To-Groupthink bits of egocentric selfishassiness that I've seen in some time on this thread.

Who are you to tell Dominicans how to run their country? It ain't yours, they can do what they bloody well please, just like it is in our home countries. Obviously, they've tried the "our immigration policy is like a sieve," and that didn't work so well, so now they're jumping on the bandwagon with much of the rest of the world. You can complain all you want, but if you don't like it, there's around 200 others to choose from. Get over yourself.

The "evil" rules you so disdain are in place in numerous caribbean and latin american countries, as well as here in the US. (Go google EB-5 designations for immigrants, read for five minutes, and then come back and pretend to be an expert on the subject, per your usual.)

An economy is not built on the fact you pay a maid a fraction of what you'd have to pay someone back home. It's built on education, infrastructure, innovation (through grants) and a whole lot of other ish best done on an enterprise-level.

Any fool knows that. The only real question is whether you're a cheap, trifling, myopic fool.

I don't care how much Travis Tritt thinks otherwise, the best, most successful large and sophisticated societies thrive when the private and public sectors work together. Anything else is libertarian fantasy time.

Regarding keeping track of immigrants, again they have a right to do so. We do the EXACT SAME THING in the US, and it's far more prevalent in most of the more interesting parts of Europe.

The truth is DR has been treated like a hideout for some of the worst jackasses in NA and Europe for years (petty criminals, extortionists, grifters, child molesters and pornographers, etc.)

Add that to the fact that people who are seriously ill but can't pay for their health care at home run up the cost of medical care.

Finally, there's no shortage of people who are looking to relocate and live off $500 per month. They don't know Spanish, don't understand how the DR operates, and quickly become a burden in a country that's struggling with it's own people.

So, to break it down in "kdolo-simpletonese," the citizens of the (sovereign nation) Dominican Republic have a vested right and interest in knowing the non-citizens who reside within their borders, what they are doing, and how they intend to sustain themselves so as not to become a burden to others.

Now go "blah blah blah" that.
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I agree with you 100%. If no one likes how the Dominicans run their country get out no one is forcing any of you to be here. Like other nations they have the right to secure their borders how they see fit. You have to option to stay here or to leave. So do what needs to be done and stop all this mess. Can a Dominican come to America and most Euro nations and do what they want like all the ex-pats are doing there?????? .....HELL NO. Look for another country and go there ...You will not be missed. And before any of you give the usual dumb a**ed remarks I'm just a dumb Cuban with my own view of things.
 
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So the real problem in this country is the corruption and general attitude if there is money to be made it doesent matter how you do it. Not expats that are living here or spending time here during winters these are the people paying rents, shopping at big supermarkets, renting or buying vehicles spending at the bars and restaurants hiring maids and gardiners take that all away what do you have ?? Funny thing is I thought that all latin countries where like the DR until I started traveling to different countries and saw the difference in saying that the DR is very unique. Im not bashing the country I am just calling it for what it is so many of my friends say they want to come live here but I always tell thenm vactioning here and living here 2 different things to live in this country especially outside of tourist areas takes a special type of person its not easy and not for everyone.
 
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Barker there are over 1 million Domincans in the USA they have their own area called washington Heights wich is like a mini DR. Domincans have been getting in trouble in the states for decades in the drug game and what not. Go through out some of the other Carribean islandds and you will find Domincan girls working in establishments I am not saying all of them but Domincans are not innocent in other countries as well. I had a family member locked up in the USA (east coast) and he said the prison was full of Domincans on various crimes waiting to be deported back here. My point being is that just like not all Domincans are bad not all expats are here invovled in nefarious acts.
 
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DROB, try no to take what I am saying personally. You are mostly wrong.

"The truth is DR has been treated like a hideout for some of the worst jackasses in NA and Europe for years (petty criminals, extortionists, grifters, child molesters and pornographers, etc.) "

1. Not True and 2. So What ? The worst crminals in the Dr are most likely and on a statistical basis are 90+% Dominican. The worst petty criminals, extortionists, grifters, child molesters etc. in the world reside in the NA and Europe: see Madoff, Sandusky, anywhere Detroit, Camden, Brownsville-E. New York .....

"Add that to the fact that people who are seriously ill but can't pay for their health care at home run up the cost of medical care."

1. You obviously know very little of the Dominican Health Care system ....its not at all like in the US. in the Dr you gotta pay to play -even for the basics: citizen, foreigner, illegal, legal,...it doesn't matter.

"Finally, there's no shortage of people who are looking to relocate and live off $500 per month. They don't know Spanish, don't understand how the DR operates, and quickly become a burden in a country that's struggling with it's own people."

1. Wrong. "become a burden ??" i think not.: there is no welfare here my friend. No social safety net. If you don't work....however menial it is - you starve. period. Even engaging in crime is no long term solution unlike the US because if you really become a problem la policia simply kills you. - Most unskilled Haitians become laborers and those who cant become street vendors. The too young to work beg for alms - but even that is a form of work.

"the citizens of the (sovereign nation) Dominican Republic have a vested right and interest in knowing the non-citizens who reside within their borders,..."

1. I responded to this before. When logic fails the statists, communists, and fascists always turn to this: ...the state .....the sovereign nation....the state .....blah...blah...blah......"
 
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In a country where you can literally get away with muder if you have enough money what do you expect?. In saying that I still love this country and do not bash Dominicans or thier way of life I accept it and live my life and learn I love Domincan culture and the people. In saying that it is just my belief that the new immigration law will not help with the corruption and crime in this country they need to start else where but that will never happen.
 
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Barker there are over 1 million Domincans in the USA they have their own area called washington Heights wich is like a mini DR. Domincans have been getting in trouble in the states for decades in the drug game and what not. Go through out some of the other Carribean islandds and you will find Domincan girls working in establishments I am not saying all of them but Domincans are not innocent in other countries as well. I had a family me,ber locked up in the USA (east coast) and he said the prison was full of Domincans on various crimes waiting to be deported back here. My point being is that just like not all Domincans are bad not all expats are here invovled in nefarious acts.
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By no means I am saying that The Dominican Republic is some kind of Utopia but all the bashing of the country and their laws are stupid. For me as a dumb immigrant to the USA its so simple as my grandmother said. No one held a gun to our heads and told us to come here so follow the laws and you will not get into trouble. We just wanted the American dream. And believe me the Cubans here in Miami talk so much crap about the government here and I always say go back to Papa Fidel and shut your mouth...Go back to no lights half the time and all that comes with living in Cuba. I guess because I love what this country has done for my family so much to bash another country is hard for me. we may not like their laws but we need to respect it or like I sad GET OUT AND SHUT UP. Really its that simple. And on a side note I do understand that some people there have their entire savings invested in that country and for them I do feel sorry but bashing their laws will serve no ones needs. The same time spent bashing their laws let's find a solution to the one's who are living there.
 
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I agree with you 100%. If no one likes how the Dominicans run their country get out no one is forcing any of you to be here. Like other nations they have the right to secure their borders how they see fit. You have to option to stay here or to leave. So do what needs to be done and stop all this mess. Can a Dominican come to America and most Euro nations and do what they want like all the ex-pats are doing there?????? .....HELL NO. Look for another country and go there ...You will not be missed. And before any of you give the usual dumb a**ed remarks I'm just a dumb Cuban with my own view of things.
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You're a Cuban ???? You should know better. What happens when statists, fascists, and communists take over and start passing stupid laws that restrict and scare off capital, knowledge, and skills ???

The people with the brains, money, and know-how leave. What remains are the unskilled, ignorant (unsophisticated), and poor. And whay pray tell happens to such an economy ??

Lets look at Cuba for example: Enter Statist/Fascist/ Comunist. Exit Capital/Skill/Know How. Enter utter and total economic collapse. The 99.999% suffer, (the tiny elite in such a system lives like kings) - no one not in the club even has a shot at dreaming about bettering their life. The system is such an abysmal failure that even Fidel is giving it up. Cubans can now own property, start and own businesses, they are opening up to more foreign investment etc.

free markets, free capital, free labor, free movement of persons, laws that attract as opposed to repel brains, capital, know how. - this is the best way (not the perfect way), but overall the best. For DR to go in any other direction will be a big mistake. The competition for their dollar is too stiff - their only real advantage is the hotness of the women. You make it marginally harder for people to enjoy even that and there are at least 10 countries off hand they'll lose travelers to.
 
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You're a Cuban ???? You should know better. What happens when statists, fascists, and communists take over and start passing stupid laws that restrict and scare off capital, knowledge, and skills ???

The people with the brains, money, and know-how leave. What remains are the unskilled, ignorant (unsophisticated), and poor. And whay pray tell happens to such an economy ??

Lets look at Cuba for example: Enter Statist/Fascist/ Comunist. Exit Capital/Skill/Know How. Enter utter and total economic collapse. The 99.999% suffer, (the tiny elite in such a system lives like kings) - no one not in the club even has a shot at dreaming about bettering their life. The system is such an abysmal failure that even Fidel is giving it up. Cubans can now own property, start and own businesses, they are opening up to more foreign investment etc.

free markets, free capital, free labor, free movement of persons, laws that attract as opposed to repel brains, capital, know how. - this is the best way (not the perfect way), but overall the best. For DR to go in any other direction will be a big mistake. The competition for their dollar is too stiff - their only real advantage is the hotness of the women. You make it marginally harder for people to enjoy even that and there are at least 10 countries off hand they'll lose travelers to.
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99% of what you said is spot on ....But if enough ex-pats become citizens we can effect change. Because we know more or less what this country needs for a socio-econonic view point. So no more bashing get our paperwork in order and get out and vote. Rome was not built in a day but someone laid the first brick. I just went today to the Dominican Consulate office here and started my paperwork. I will lay the first brick who else will follow????????????
 
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