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I know the person who wrote that article. That was 7 years ago, but the fraud is still on.
 
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Hopefully Dominicans will unite to stop the development, they're waging a FB campaign:

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Article in today's Dominican Today:

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/to...ia-de-las-Aguilas-day-of-reckoning-or-requiem
 
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The fraud is not linked to environment, it's a real estate scam, and basically the government is giving up the public land to the crooks.
 
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the article states that 80% of Pedernales is a natural reserve. The little town has been waiting for the high end eco tourists for a long time but nothing has changed in the last five years, anyway.. All three or four of the small hotels are full every weekend with the Capitalenos who drive there. The guagua takes about 7 hours from the Capital. Often there is no money in the little BanReservas bank for the weekend.

There was an old All inclusive... but I do not think that it is open now.

They put up one shelter on Bahias,, a dock area with a covered shelter to get out of the sun

but it is still sorta just one operation which takes folks out to the Bay from the restuarant.

I had a firend who was a peace corps volulnteer there who was trying to help in getting the locals to be guides, in having camping equipment for rent..

so perhaps there needs to be something.. one all inclusive near Cabo Rojo.

But it is the group that stopped the Cement factory in Los Haitises and the four percent for education.. which will just say NO and stop everything.

I agree that more and more of the beaches are privatized and less land available for the locals.

But it would be great if even HALF the people who were opposed to the development had ever BEEN there..

it is an expensive and time consuming trip.

Would that this country would get with Costa Rica and Canada to help them figure out how to set up and develop their national parks as tourist areas. Both countries do an excellent job in preserving their resources while making them accessible to the public.
 
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We can't blame DR choosing money over environment. When Europe and USA were in development the same kind of decisions have been made, probably including the fraud that's taking place.
 
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Just because it was "WRONG" then, doesn't make it "Right" now!
"YES!", we CAN blame, NOT the DR, but those in power here, who choose to keep on raping their land, and "screwing" their people!
Just maybe, if we did, "Blame", and then hold accountable, those who "Violate" the DR, things MIGHT Change!

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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Mauricio said:
We can't blame DR choosing money over environment. When Europe and USA were in development the same kind of decisions have been made, probably including the fraud that's taking place.
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And we know the consequences. Europe and the USA made a mistake in their model of development. But nowadays, doing the same is not a mistake but an evil decision.
 
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Mauricio said:
We can't blame DR choosing money over environment. When Europe and USA were in development the same kind of decisions have been made, probably including the fraud that's taking place.
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In this case it's counterproductive - as Puig said, they're killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
 
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in las terrenas they keep raking the seaweed off the palm trees to make the Atlantic coast look like the Caribbean so the palm trees keep falling in

there are now so many lights at night for the tourists that one cannot see the stars inside the Village

this country needs to follow Costa Rica and Canada... not the US or Europe with the privatization of everything.

according to the constintion revised and revised.. the beach is a patrimony to be shared by all Dominicans

that fraud in pedernales is well known

it is easy to find ALL the crooks

trouble is that they have cousins in high places
 
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IMO, the people who were "in charge" of the government back in the eighties/nineties and allowed all the deep-pocketed Europeans to take over the entire south eastern coastline ( from Punta Engano all the way to Macao and beyond....) should be horse whipped in the public square at high noon.
Would it really have killed them to show a little foresight .......Develop a malecon, maintain some public access coastline. Jeez, that poor little town of El Cortecito where a couple of big shots make all the money and the rest of the suckers are left to breathe the noxious fumes all day long.
It could have been so different....
 
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Last time I was in Bahia de Las Aguilas, about 3 years ago, I was amazed at how many helicopters kept flying back and forth along the massive coastline. You could tell those were not government or even corporate choppers, as they seemed luxurious and without marks. The coastline is so big that I couldn't see where they landed or took off from. My guess is, those choppers belonged to people who were either building or planning to build on the premises. On my way back I asked people in Cabo Rojo, and everybody seemed uncomfortable with the question, so I decided to STFU about it....
 
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Mauricio said:
We can't blame DR choosing money over environment. When Europe and USA were in development the same kind of decisions have been made, probably including the fraud that's taking place.
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The fact that something wrong or stupid has been done before does not make it okay and excusable to repeat it now and forever more. Learn from mistakes, rather than repeat them.

Also, it's a false premise. It's not a simple "money or environment" proposition. So often places such as Bahia de las Aguilas provide long-term ecosystem services that may not have had a formal valuation of them made yet, but when done so, turn out to be much higher than the value of the short-term "development" that replaces them. In other words, you harm the environment and in the process harm the long-term economic value and sustainability of the area. How many ill-conceived coastal developments have destroyed or seriously jeopardized mangroves and reefs, and in the process, destroyed fisheries, imperiled portions of the marine food chain, promoted coastal erosion, and reduced protection against hurricane storm surges, just to name a few possible impacts? Or depleted local groundwater supplies?
 
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flyinroom said:
IMO, the people who were "in charge" of the government back in the eighties/nineties and allowed all the deep-pocketed Europeans to take over the entire south eastern coastline ( from Punta Engano all the way to Macao and beyond....) should be horse whipped in the public square at high noon.
Would it really have killed them to show a little foresight .......Develop a malecon, maintain some public access coastline. Jeez, that poor little town of El Cortecito where a couple of big shots make all the money and the rest of the suckers are left to breathe the noxious fumes all day long.
It could have been so different....
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Cabo Enga?o?
 
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Keith R said:
The fact that something wrong or stupid has been done before does not make it okay and excusable to repeat it now and forever more. Learn from mistakes, rather than repeat them.

Also, it's a false premise. It's not a simple "money or environment" proposition. So often places such as Bahia de las Aguilas provide long-term ecosystem services that may not have had a formal valuation of them made yet, but when done so, turn out to be much higher than the value of the short-term "development" that replaces them. In other words, you harm the environment and in the process harm the long-term economic value and sustainability of the area. How many ill-conceived coastal developments have destroyed or seriously jeopardized mangroves and reefs, and in the process, destroyed fisheries, imperiled portions of the marine food chain, promoted coastal erosion, and reduced protection against hurricane storm surges, just to name a few possible impacts? Or depleted local groundwater supplies?
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with bahia de los aguilas... the dR makes it onto the Conda Nast Travelers list of the ten best beaches in the world

without it

we are cancun
 
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Breaking News - Government Revokes Decision to Recognise Illicit Titles in Bah?a de las Aguilas
El Gobierno dej? sin efecto la decisi?n de reconocer como leg?timos propietarios a quienes se hab?an hecho con t?tulos fraudulentos de los terrenos de Bah?a de las ?guilas.

El presidente Danilo Medina puso el o?do en el coraz?n de los sectores m?s sensatos de la sociedad dominicana, que le reclamaron que no premiara a quienes cometieron estafa contra el Estado dominicano.

El anuncio de echar atr?s la “legitimaci?n” de los t?tulos de los falsos propietarios de una parte importante de Bah?a de las ?guilas fue hecho por Roberto Rodr?guez Marchena, director de la Direcci?n General de Comunicaci?n del Gobierno dominicano (DICOM).

El presidente Medina hab?a sostenido reuniones con directores de medios de comunicaci?n, abogados y activistas c?vicos, los cuales le expusieron del origen espurio de los supuestos t?tulos de propiedad.

La idea del presidente Medina era impulsar el desarrollo tur?stico del Sur Extremo, y se hab?a decidido compensar parcialmente a quienes ten?an los falsos t?tulos bajo el argumento de que exist?a una litis judicial que ten?a m?s de 10 a?os en los tribunales, lo que retrasaba cualquier decisi?n sobre la explotaci?n de los terrenos.
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Gobierno revoca la decisi?n de reconocer t?tulos il?citos de Bah?a de las ?guilas - Acento
 
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"El presidente Danilo Medina puso el o?do en el coraz?n de los sectores m?s sensatos de la sociedad dominicana, que le reclamaron que no premiara a quienes cometieron estafa contra el Estado dominicano."

Yeah, right, like he did not know anything about it.
 
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