531 Anniversary of the Arrival of Columbus et al

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December 5, 1492 - December 5, 2023

On December 5, 1492 arrived for the first time the Niña, the Pinta and the Santa María carrying Christopher Columbus et al. The place this happen was where Christopher Columbus named Cabo San Nicolás (today Môle-Saint-Nicolas, Haiti.) He gaved it that name because the day after is the saint's day of Saint Nicholas (San Nicolás) in the calendar of the Catholic Church.

Regardless of what anyone could think of Christopher Columbus, whether he was good, he was a villain, a combination of the two or a victim of his time and modern historical revisionism; what can't be debated that that event in particular paved the way for the surgence of many (if not most or all that descend from colonial times) of the Dominicans alive today. This is different to most nationalities and at this stage the people that are direct descendants (particularly from illegitimate liasons) most don't know that they are and they include all features, all colors, all types. This also doesn't limits itself to Christopher Columbus, but many if not all the men that accompanied him in that endevour. Today, Dominicans show some Taino ancestry in the DNA, that predated this event, and along with that comes some ancestry from the Spaniards abd other Europeans that arrived in this occasion.

Would Dominicans exist today if that had never happened?

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PS. The Governor Osorio's Devastations of 1606 (when the western side of the island was depopulated by orders of the governor) is the main reason that Haitians don't have a similar amount of Taíno DNA as the Dominicans and the same, but more intense, with regarding to Spanish, Portuguese and Italian ancestries. It's also true that if the Governor Osorio's Devastations had never ocurred, that Haitians would not exist as a state and as a people since, taking Cuba and Puerto Rico as examples where notthing like Governor Osorio's Devastation ever took place, the entire island would had been Dominican. Most direct descendants from Hispaniola have to be Dominicans.

It should also be noted that in addition to having many direct descendants of Christopher Columbus and company (even those that don't know since not knowing doesn't imply it doesn't exist), many Dominicans are also the people that descend from:

  • The first mestizos of the world (the old saying that the first mestizos appeared 9 months after this event isn't far fetch.)
    [*]The first mulattoes born outside of the "Old World" (not necessarily the first mulatto in the Americas, as there was one in one of the voyages.)
    [*]The first whites (particularly Spaniards but also Portuguese and Italians -Columbus himself was from Genova, Italy and he wasn't the only one, in fact his brother is the founder of Santo Domingo and probably he was from Italy too-) to be born in the Americas (and to be buried in the Americas, in La Isabela Historical Park near Puerto Plata still exist the first cemetery where Europeans were buried in the Western Hemisphere -the cemetery itself is a combination of Europeans and Tainos, all the Europeans arrived in the second voyage of Columbus-.)
    [*]The first blacks born in the Americas (not necessarily the first black in the America's as even some of the Spanish conquistadors were not just blacks but Africans that first moved to Spain and many years later to Santo Domingo and the rest of the American continent, Juan Garrido is one example of that.)​

All of that took place in Hispaniola (a good chunk on the north coast) and most of the descendants of that are Dominicans.

PS. Due to immigration from the distant past and recently, many Dominicans that unbeknowingly are direct descendants took some of that to places where these men never went to such as New York. That means that because of this there are many Americans and other folks that unbeknowingly are direct descendants too.
 
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chico bill

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Columbus was racist I tell you....racist and evil.
I want to organize a protest march
 

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I’m trying to remember the time he returned to Spain announcing he’d found India only to have retract the claims few years later
 

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The thing is he was never searching for India nor ever thought he discovered India. The whole 'India argument' I think is based on a translation error from Spanish to English. In Spanish India is India in English, but Indias is Indies, not India. He thought he was in the Indies because he was in the tropics, there were all these islands and didn't know that between Europe and Asia in the Atlantic side was a huge mass of land now known as The Americas. The people seen in the Indies? Indians... When people say the Indians are the Indians from India, it doesn't really means just them. It's like Dominicans from the DR and Dominicans from Dominica.

Once it became obvious that they were not in the Indies, a change followed as until then the Indies was the chain of islands in Southeast Asia (Indonesia, Borneo, etc.) The new group of islands stopped being called the Indies? Well, sort of no. The simply became the West Indies and the original Indies simply became the East Indies.

There are also many other signs that might remain unnoticed by English speakers as their obliviousness towards this prevents them from connecting the dots. For example, in Spain houses that were built by Spaniards that migrated anywhere in The Americas are known as "casas indianas." Many are museums nowadays.

In Seville next to the main cathedral is a building where they keep all the Spanish government documents, books, maps, etc of every single Spanish colony in the Americas from I forgot what year until each became separated from Spain. What is it called? "Archivo General de las Indias" (The Indies General Archives.)

So on and so forth.

Columbus actually drew the entire north coast (minus the area of Samaná Peninsula and a part of the Nagua coast) by simply looking at the shore from the boats as the sailed west. No satellite or airplanes back then, so how did he do it? He definitely wasn't normal.
 
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Columbus actually drew the entire north coast (minus the area of Samaná Peninsula and a part of the Nagua coast) by simply looking at the shore from the boats as the sailed west. No satellite or airplanes back then, so how did he do it? It looks close to reality. He definitely wasn't normal.

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Plus, while he didn't ended up where he initially thought, he did sailed across the Atlantic Ocean and it wasn't a direct sail from Iberia to the Americas, but he went south to the Canary Islands and then west. Why he did that instead of sailing west directly from mainland Spain?
 

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Columbus actually drew the entire north coast (minus the area of Samaná Peninsula and a part of the Nagua coast) by simply looking at the shore from the boats as the sailed west. No satellite or airplanes back then, so how did he do it? It looks close to reality. He definitely wasn't normal.

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Plus, while he didn't ended up where he initially thought, he did sailed across the Atlantic Ocean and it wasn't a direct sail from Iberia to the Americas, but he went south to the Canary Islands and then west. Why he did that instead of sailing west directly from mainland Spain?
It has been theorized that perhaps the Chinese were actually in the Americas first. With Arab mapmakers aboard. Did Colombus have help?
 

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The thing is he was never searching for India........

I did not know this. I can't remember how i came to believe that. Probably through my social circles. This prompted me to read up a bit and it gets interesting to say the least.

"When Columbus made landfall in Hispaniola, he claimed that it was not only on the way to China, but that it could be reached by ocean from there and that there was land mass nearby that was attached to China.........you see that he expected to be able to sail westwards from Spain and reach China, and later on Columbus claimed that Hispaniola was merely a land mass "slightly" east of China.

This is why Columbus' further expeditions went farther southwards. The third voyage was to look for such an ocean route, instead they reached Trinidad, concluded that it was near a large land mass and then returned to Hispaniola. The fourth voyage searched for a passage through today's central America, similarly failed.

So while Columbus could continue in his navigational delusion until the last voyage, the Spaniards were more cognizant that they may in fact have discovered a new land mass not attached to China."


Source: Columbus by Fernandez-Armesto
 

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Columbus: I claim this island for the king & queen of Spain, hey you indigenous people, you’re now slaves.
That was after noticing that the Tainos trembled by simpky naming the Caribs because they would constantly raid Taino villages, kidnap their women and young girls to have their kids, and Taino kids which they intentionally fatten as is done to pigs prior to literally eating them. But that was before the Spanish crown put in places certain protection for the Indians. Did you know the royal palace in Madrid is the only one in Europe that has statues on its facade of two Indian chiefs (Monctezuma and Hatahualpa if I remember correctly.) They were not added centuries after they were built, but rather at the time the palace was being built. There were even indigenous chiefs that were allowed to go to Iberian Spain to get a university education.

I always compare that with the fate of indigenous groups in the southern parts of the USA that were once part of the empire. For some reason, things got worse for the indians once the Americans took control of places like Florida. The "the only good Indian is a dead one" was a saying... I think even so e of the tribes in Florida which had been there during the entire Spanish colonial period were forced to follow the "Trail of ears" to Oklahoma because apparently Florida wasn't big enough for everybody. The Spanish held it for 200-300 years or so and they were not a problem then, in fact most of the residents of Saint Augustine were mestizos (Spanish mixed with Indians.)
 

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Wasn't able to add it in the previous post: Despite everything that happened in the Caribbean, Taino DNA and mitochondrialDNA is almost entirely found in Puerto Rico, DR and Cuba. Hmm, where the the Spanish settled and control the longest in the Caribbean? Could it be these places still speak in Spanish? :unsure:
 
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