200,000 US citizens live in Dominican Republic

[Dolores1]

The Ministry of Economy released results of a survey that says there are 13,000 US citizens living in the Dominican Republic. The same survey showed that there are 458,233, Haitians living in the country.
For the poll, 13,449 immigrants were interviewed. We covered it in dr1.com today at http://dr1.com/premium/news/2013/dnews050213.shtml

Found the count of immigrants too low. Had always heard there are more than 80,000 US citizens living here and at least one million Haitians.

When reading the results of the survey, carried out with funding from UNDP and the European Union, I checked for the margin of error. Reporters for El Caribe also noted the omission but could not get a straight answer out of the Ministry of Economy nor the Statistics Office.

To start to check up on the findings, especially since Minister Temistocles Montas highlighted in the presentation that previous counts have been overestimations, and the survey provided a closer approximation to reality, I asked the US press department to provide the official statistics for US citizens living in the Dominican Republic.

Judith Ravin, chief press officer at the US Embassy, was kind to respond:
"The U.S. Embassy estimates that over 200,000 U.S. citizens are living in the Dominican Republic. This figure includes dual citizens."

If anyone has information to check out these other findings of the survey, please send.
The National Statistics Office poll says there are 6,720 immigrants from Spain, 4,416 from Puerto Rico, 4,040 from Italy, 3,643 from China, 3,599 from France, 3,434 from Venezuela, 3,145 from Cuba, 2,738 from Colombia 1,792 from Germany. In addition to the numbers for Haiti and the US, the two larger immigration groups.

Also think it would be interesting to learn more about the polling company that did the poll and the margin of error. Anyone with experience in this kind of poll, please share your insight.

 

[mountainannie]

i thnk that there are more French than that who are living in Las Terrenas.. The estimate years ago was at 5000.

 

[NALs]

The Haitian figure is most likely on the low side (well, all of them appear to be, lol.)

There are some things I take into consideration, but I haven't read the report (yet!):

1. There are many Haitians that were born on Dominican territory from Haitian parents that migrated illegally. That probably makes up the bulk of the ones "missing" in the survey, considering that the survey was about people that crossed into Dominican territory and not necessarily on the legal status of anyone.

2. There are many Haitian migrants (and born on Dominican soil to illegal immigrants) that have acquired false documents, including false birth certificates. I'm sure many of them claimed to be born in the country and showed the false documents as "proof," if they were asked for them.

3. Considering the low number of people surveyed, its safe to say that the figures are estimates with God knows what margin of error.

Also, its not clear if they counted illegals or just legal immigrants, but my guess is that they counted legals since according to the survey, most Haitians counted have birth certificates from Haiti. To my understanding, a very large percentage of Haitians that have migrated to the country illegally lack the most basic of identity documents, including birth certificates. There's a chance that my info could be wrong, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Even if they counted illegals, which I highly doubt, for some very obvious reasons this part of the figures would be underestimated in the best of circumstances.

Also, during the 2010 Census, foreigners were also counted separately and while I don't remember the figures for any of the foreign groups and I'm not too inclined right now to search for them, I will guess there is probably a discrepancy between what was found in the Census vs this survey.

I also put in doubt that there are more Puerto Ricans than Venezuelans, as well as the Italian, Cuban, and Colombian figures. I've seen serious estimates done by the embassies of each of these nationalities that are much higher than what was found in this survey.

My 2 cents.

 

[vacanodr]

I would put the Haitian numbers closer to 1,000,000 at least. I know that Haitian blood lines are all over the DR. Many people are a quarter or half Haitian but too ashamed to admit. Many Haitians lie on reports. With so many dark skinned Dominicans everywhere, you know Haitians can disguise themselves. I have friends who are dark skinned DOminicans who admit to being a quarter Haitian but never telling anyone and also admitted to having lots of Haitians in their barrio who deny their heritage. They do not want to be outcasts or persecuted against so they lie. The Haitians reached all over the DR when they ruled it. Their blood lines are all over the country.

 

[NALs]

The Haitians reached all over the DR when they ruled it. Their blood lines are all over the country.

That's not true. If it was, then the report by Samuel Hazard in 1872 and Otto in the 1920s would had described most of the population as dark instead of a light skin mixed people. Also, in the 1872 report, Samuel Hazard mentioned the African Americans brought over by Boyer and European traders in the major towns are the only sizable communities of foreigners, he never mentioned Haitians at all. He also visited Haiti after his Dominican visit and devoted several chapters to that part of his trip.

The Haitian occupation was limited to high ranking military men moving eastward to rule the region and some of them bringing their families. Also the exodus of most whites, but the mixed blood tended to stay and most were light skin.

 

[cobraboy]

Maybe there are 13,000 legal resident US citizens. I'll bet there are 5-10 times as many illegals (as I once was.)

 

[NALs]

I was going to add this to my previous post, but DR1 didn't let me due to the limit on editing.

The darkening of the population was due to, (1) expulsions of most whites by the Haitians and (2) Haitian attempts to darken the population by attracting African Americas (most went back to the US, but many families in Saman? and Puerto Plata descend from the few that stayed), (2) Haitians attempts to darken the population by attracting blacks from other Caribbean islands, especially from the British Islands (Puerto Plata is filled with their descendants), (3) American sugar barons that at the end of the 1800s started to import blacks from the British Lesser Antilles to work the new sugar cane fields in the east (mostly San Pedro and La Romana), pretty much against the will of the resident Dominican population; and after the 1920s supplanting the Cocolos labor force with Haitian labor.)

Trujillo got rid of the foreigners that managed most of the sugar estate by expropriating them and putting native Dominicans in all positions from management down, except for the cane cutting process which was kept mostly Haitian based due to inability to attract Dominicans given the low wages.

By the time Trujillo rises to power, the southern and eastern regions were already considerably darker than the Cibao region. This last region was overwhelmingly light skin (much lighter than now) until after the Trujillo regime falls and free movement of people is allowed within the country.

The country is now much more mixed with large numbers of people living in provinces they were not born in plus a massive arrival of illegal Haitians that now are working in mostly non-sugar related sectors.

This has been the bottom of the issue in this country, because the darkening of the population was propelled by foreigners that disregarded the preoccupations of the native Dominican population.

William Bass was responsible for initiating and increasing the Puerto Rican and Cocolo migrations in the late 1800s. He was an American and the founder of the Consuelo sugar mill near San Pedro de Macoris.

Dominicans protested against this as can be evidenced in various articles published in the Listin Diario at the time.

As for why Dominicans were worried about this? Remember that Haiti had laid claim to the Guava Valley (currently makes up much of the Centre and part of the Artibonite departments in central Haiti) on the basis that much of the population that lived there were Haitians and black. In the early 20th Century Dominicans surrendered those lands to the Haitians on that basis and through intermediation by the United States on the matter.

After that was settled, there were issues with Haitians crossing into Dominican territory and settling along the border, which prompted the Trujillo regime to send delegates to Port-au-Prince and ask the Haitian authorities to do more to prevent this from happening. The Haitians authorities made promises they never kept, Dominicans were weary and still remembered how Haiti stole the Guava Valley and it should be clear what the issue is, especially since Haiti has historically made claims to lands further to east than where the border lies now.

That's the quick history behind this.

Anyway, the Dominican population has definitely gotten darker through the 20th Century and especially after the Trujillo regime. Haitian migration prior to the 1980s was small and controlled, limited to certain sugar producing areas in the south and the east. It was and has never been enough to impact the Dominican population as has been all the other events that occurred in this country, but that the Haitians had nothing to do with it. The Americans and their sugar economic interests did.

As for why did the American sugar barons decided to move onto the DR? Most of them had settled in Cuba and were using Haitian and Jamaican labor for their sugar plantations, much to the dismay of the Cuban population too -they even passed a law to repatriate a large number of Haitians and Jamaicans that had stayed there due to the American financed sugar businesses-. Cuban fell into its 10-Year-War also known as their war of independence. That caused much ravage to many investments and many of the largest American and some of the Spanish investors there moved their operations to the DR. That's how the Brugal family arrived at Puerto Plata. Had it not been for that, the Brugal family would had made it big in southeastern Cuba, near the Santiago-Guant?namo area.

Anyway, enough history.

 

[Criss Colon]

What "Nals" is trying to do is deny the DR's African Heritage.
It's the "DR WAY".
Your "count" may include all the Dominicans who are also US citizens.
That could bring the number to 200,000 or more.
200,000 and "1", if they ever find me.
As far as any "census" goes here, we know how that works.
CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

 

[Matilda]

From DR1 news

New residency requirements in the Dominican Republic
In the last ten years, 86,774 foreigners, mostly Americans, Haitians, Cubans, Columbians and Spaniards, have obtained residency in the Dominican Republic, as reported in Hoy.

According to the Miguel Roman Garcia, director of the section for immigration control at the Immigration Department, these residencies, both temporary and permanent, are granted after state intelligence agencies and the National Drug Control Department (DNCD) review the applications, a process that can take 3 to 6 months and cost up to RD$12,000.

During the last ten years, the numbers of foreigners obtaining residency have been as follows: Americans 14,217; Haitians, 9,563; Cubans, 7,387; Colombians, 6,494; Spaniards, 6,145; Chinese, 4,575; Italians, 4,208; French, 3,633; Germans, 3,345; Canadians, 2,141; Swiss, 1,557; Argentinians, 1,187; Brazilians, 1,022; British, 819; Chileans, 721; Ecuadorians, 649; Salvadorians, 571; Belgians, 504; South Koreans, 481; Dutch, 473; Costa Ricans, 420, and Guatemalans, 406.

Residencies have also been granted to citizens from Afghanistan, Angola, Albania, Andorra, Armenia, Burundi, Benin, Bahrain, Belarus, Bouvet Island, Ivory Coast, Djibouti, Western Sahara, Ghana, Gambia, Georgia, Cambodia, Jordan, Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Japan and other countries.

Foreigners with temporary residency who wish to obtain permanent documentation will be able to apply for this after having renewed their temporary residency annually for four years at a cost of RD$3,000 per year plus RD$500 for each month delay in renewal.

In order to change the residency from temporary to permanent, it is necessary to go through the same procedure and pay the same amounts as when obtaining the temporary residency. Immigration will decide whether or not to grant the permanent residency.

Article 42 of the Law 258-04 states that Immigration can cancel permanent residencies if it is determined that they were obtained with false declarations or false documents. The cancelation of permanent residency means the loss of immigration status and the foreigner will need to regularize the status or leave the country.

Migraci?n otorga m?s de 80 mil residencias a extranjeros - Hoy Digital

Matilda

 

[cobraboy]

4500 Chinese. That strikes me as odd.

 

[Matilda]

There was a thread a few years ago that Lambada contributed to, which had all the figures for foreigners in the country. I remember there were 5000 Brits, but I can't find the post.

Matilda

 

[Onions/Carrots]

That's not true. If it was, then the report by Samuel Hazard in 1872 and Otto in the 1920s would had described most of the population as dark instead of a light skin mixed people. Also, in the 1872 report, Samuel Hazard mentioned the African Americans brought over by Boyer and European traders in the major towns are the only sizable communities of foreigners, he never mentioned Haitians at all. He also visited Haiti after his Dominican visit and devoted several chapters to that part of his trip.

The Haitian occupation was limited to high ranking military men moving eastward to rule the region and some of them bringing their families. Also the exodus of most whites, but the mixed blood tended to stay and most were light skin.

We butt heads when it comes to the DR economy but I do enjoy your threads on race especially one of your recent ones dealing with race, DNA and the Taino. You had some very interesting videos from professors speaking on the same. So I defer to you in these regards. Don't you think though that after 22 years of harsh and brutal Haitian dominion over our ancestors that mass rapes took place therefore blackening what once may have been a much whiter populace?

Dessalines initiated a genocide upon the White French population that stayed after the Black slaves revolted and won against Bonaparte's army. He personally went from town to town and had most whites killed. The white women who were allowed to live had to marry Black Haitians. This is what I have read. Given that wouldn't the Haitians once they took over the Spanish Dominican side force the women there to marry blacks and obviously engage in mass rapes therefore darkening the Dominican population. You can do alot in 22 years.

To give further backing to my argument the Russians when they entered Nazi Germany raped millions of German women based on what I've read. Wouldn't an invading army usually do this? What is your opinion on 22 years of harsh brutal racist Haitian rule of the Spanish side? They obviously were not pro-white given their own exploitation at the hands of their brutal White French masters. So as a result they raped and married into the white Dominican populace therefore giving us what we have today in the DR a much darker Africanized skin tone.

P.S. I'd like to know how many non-Dominican citizens like CC and Chip live in the DR. I think the figure will be very low or I may be wrong. Don't know though.

 

[chrisgy]

I was going to add this to my previous post, but DR1 didn't let me due to the limit on editing.

The darkening of the population was due to, (1) expulsions of most whites by the Haitians and (2) Haitian attempts to darken the population by attracting African Americas (most went back to the US, but many families in Saman? and Puerto Plata descend from the few that stayed), (2) Haitians attempts to darken the population by attracting blacks from other Caribbean islands, especially from the British Islands (Puerto Plata is filled with their descendants), (3) American sugar barons that at the end of the 1800s started to import blacks from the British Lesser Antilles to work the new sugar cane fields in the east (mostly San Pedro and La Romana), pretty much against the will of the resident Dominican population; and after the 1920s supplanting the Cocolos labor force with Haitian labor.)

Trujillo got rid of the foreigners that managed most of the sugar estate by expropriating them and putting native Dominicans in all positions from management down, except for the cane cutting process which was kept mostly Haitian based due to inability to attract Dominicans given the low wages.

By the time Trujillo rises to power, the southern and eastern regions were already considerably darker than the Cibao region. This last region was overwhelmingly light skin (much lighter than now) until after the Trujillo regime falls and free movement of people is allowed within the country.

The country is now much more mixed with large numbers of people living in provinces they were not born in plus a massive arrival of illegal Haitians that now are working in mostly non-sugar related sectors.

This has been the bottom of the issue in this country, because the darkening of the population was propelled by foreigners that disregarded the preoccupations of the native Dominican population.

William Bass was responsible for initiating and increasing the Puerto Rican and Cocolo migrations in the late 1800s. He was an American and the founder of the Consuelo sugar mill near San Pedro de Macoris.

Dominicans protested against this as can be evidenced in various articles published in the Listin Diario at the time.

As for why Dominicans were worried about this? Remember that Haiti had laid claim to the Guava Valley (currently makes up much of the Centre and part of the Artibonite departments in central Haiti) on the basis that much of the population that lived there were Haitians and black. In the early 20th Century Dominicans surrendered those lands to the Haitians on that basis and through intermediation by the United States on the matter.

After that was settled, there were issues with Haitians crossing into Dominican territory and settling along the border, which prompted the Trujillo regime to send delegates to Port-au-Prince and ask the Haitian authorities to do more to prevent this from happening. The Haitians authorities made promises they never kept, Dominicans were weary and still remembered how Haiti stole the Guava Valley and it should be clear what the issue is, especially since Haiti has historically made claims to lands further to east than where the border lies now.

That's the quick history behind this.

Anyway, the Dominican population has definitely gotten darker through the 20th Century and especially after the Trujillo regime. Haitian migration prior to the 1980s was small and controlled, limited to certain sugar producing areas in the south and the east. It was and has never been enough to impact the Dominican population as has been all the other events that occurred in this country, but that the Haitians had nothing to do with it. The Americans and their sugar economic interests did.

As for why did the American sugar barons decided to move onto the DR? Most of them had settled in Cuba and were using Haitian and Jamaican labor for their sugar plantations, much to the dismay of the Cuban population too -they even passed a law to repatriate a large number of Haitians and Jamaicans that had stayed there due to the American financed sugar businesses-. Cuban fell into its 10-Year-War also known as their war of independence. That caused much ravage to many investments and many of the largest American and some of the Spanish investors there moved their operations to the DR. That's how the Brugal family arrived at Puerto Plata. Had it not been for that, the Brugal family would had made it big in southeastern Cuba, near the Santiago-Guant?namo area.

Anyway, enough history.

Revisionist history

 

[vacanodr]

How long do you think it will take to get over it? Every once in a while as a white American I hear that I should apologize for the slavery from a couple of hundred yeras ago. But I didn't participate, so I take no responsibility. And how long should it be that you medium colored Dominicanos stop hating those who forcibly darkened your population. Is there any one still alive that participated as the rapist or the vicitm? SO let it go some day OK?

In short, when people have been messed with, insulted, put down, hurt and exploited and abused by other races or countries, they get mad and bitter and sometimes want apologies. It is natural. If my people came into wherever you are and took and broke everything and did mean and cold things for years to your people, your people might be mad at me for years to come. Duh! They might open up one day and say that my people were wrong and they are deeply insulted by the horrific actions and ask me if my people are a bunch or bad people. And the decent and correct thing to do is say sorry I am embarassed (with a red face that is showing shame) and to say that there was no excuse what we did and nothing like it should never happen again because we have changed and times have changed. Dominicans are mad at Haitians just like people around the world are mad at the UK or Germany or other european countries who enslaved them. The correct thing to do is to just be embarrassed and apologize and say you hope it will not happen again because times have changed.

 

[NALs]

Revisionist history

Have a look at the actual written account. These are from historical books (not to confuse them with history books, they are not the same; the former are books written at the time by the people that witnessed their events and today are great references to have insight into the past since they are based on the writings of the actual eyewitnesses.)

This is how Samuel Hazard described the population he witnessed during his nationwide tour in 1871 (he also visited the Cap Haitien and Port-au-Prince areas and vicinities before returning to the United States):

?It seems probable that more than nine-tenths, perhaps nineteen-twentieths, are native Dominicans. The others are ?first, coloured emigrants from the United States; secondly, European traders, who do not settle anywhere, but sojourn at commercial points.?

?White blood preponderates largely in Dominica[n Republic], but pure whites, in the popular sense of the word, are not numerous. The majority are of a mixed race, much nearer white than black.?

?The great majority, especially along the coast, are neither pure black nor pure white; they are mixed in every conceivable degree. In some parts of the interior considerable numbers of the white race are to be found, and generally in the mixed race the white blood predominates. The Dominican people differ widely in this particular from the Haytians (sic), among whom the black race is in complete ascendancy.?

P. 485; Santo Domingo Past and Present with a Glance at Hayti (sic; published in 1872)

Remember that Dominican independence took place 27 years before Hazard?s visit and the restoration occurred 6 years before. Juan Pablo Duarte was still alive (he died a few years after Hazard?s visit.) This leaves clear that besides the importation of African Americans by the Haitians, the presence of Haitians in Dominican territory was negligible. It was not even a moderate minority in highly localized areas, because Hazard visited all the major areas and never mentioned the presence of a Haitian community.

The following was Otto Schoenrich?s description of the Dominican population based on what he saw in his tour of the country in 1918, 47 years after Hazard?s visit and with the sugar industry in full swing (during Hazard?s visit the sugar estates had not existed yet. In fact, he even suggested that the eastern plains of the country would be suitable for sugar cane production because it resembles the plains of Cuba); by the way, when Otto refers to the capital, he writes Santo Domingo City, but when to the country he calls it Santo Domingo:

?The vicissitudes through which Santo Domingo has passed the departure of so large a proportion of whites in the beginning of the nineteenth century and the intermingling of blood before and since that time have determined the character of the population. At the present time the pure negroes are in a minority, constituting probably less than one-fourth the entire population. The great majority of the inhabitants are of mixed Spanish and African blood, their color ranging from black to white. The lighter shades predominate, especially in the Cibao. There is also a sprinkling of pure whites, the majority of whom are to be found in the Cibao region or are foreigners residing in the larger cities. Many families would pass for white anywhere, showing absolutely no trace of colored blood, and it is difficult to believe confidential assurances of their intimate friends, indicating a different condition. A few families trace their ancestry back to the first Spanish colonists. As most of the blacks live south of the central mountain rage [this term encompassed the current cordillera Central and the cordillera Oriental] the population of this region is a good deal darker than that of the northern part of the island.?

?A comparison with Haiti discloses marked racial differences. In the French-speaking republic about ninety per cent of the inhabitants are pure blacks, the remainders mulattoes. The distinction between the two countries is due to several circumstances: in Santo Domingo the pure blacks have never been in a majority, the whites have never all left the country; massacres of mulattoes and whites have never taken place; there have never been political parties based on color; and the relations between the races have always been cordial. In company, side by side, mulattoes, blacks and whites have lived, worked, enjoyed themselves and fought their revolutions. There is absolutely no color line. A friend of mine from Virginia received quite a shock the first time he attended a state ball in Santo Domingo and saw an immense negro, as black as coal, a member of Congress, dancing with a girl as white as any of the foreign ladies present. He rushed to the refreshment room and beckoned to a tall mulatto in a dress suit: ?I?ll have something to cool off, here waiter?? He was stopped just in time for he was mistaking the secretary of foreign affairs for a waiter; but after this experience he was afraid of giving his order to anyone else for fear he might be offending some other high officials. The blacks are commonly the lower laborers, but negroes are to be found in all grades of society and are not infrequently represented in the cabinet itself. Of the presidents the majority have been of mixed blood, but several, like Luperon and Heureaux, were full blood negroes.?

Chapter XI; Santo Domingo (published in 1918)

The Trujillo dictatorship started a mere 12 years after Otto?s visit.

When Hazard visited the DR, the population didn?t had large numbers of Haitians and the following migration waves had not taken place yet: Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Libanese, Palestinians, Sirians, Chinese, Japanese, Hungarians, Germans, Austrians, Spanish (Republicanos), Italians (at that time the DR was in the middle of the Italian migration wave from which most current Italian-Dominican families descend from), Barbadians, Saint Lucians, Saint Thomas natives, Saint Croix natives, Anguilla, Tortola natives, Dominica natives, Grenadines, Americans, Canadians.

When Otto visited the country a good deal of those ethnicities had already established their communities in the country with the Hungarians, Germans, Austrians, Spanish (Republicanos), and Japanese not arriving yet because their migration waves took place during the Trujillo dictatorship. The migration of Haitians for the sugar estates started a few years before as the American, Cuban, and Puerto Rican owners of the sugar estates decided to switch from blacks from the British West Indies (aka, Cocolos) to Haitians, because the former had more pride and demanded higher wages and better living conditions. The Haitians were seen as much more docile. In fact, that?s how they describe them and was the main reason for the switch.

Anyway, my point is that the Haitian Invasion from 1822 to 1844 was not a demographic invasion, it was merely an administrative one with a handful of high ranking military families and other family members of the Haitian oligarchies establishing in select places on Dominican territory. Many of them were mulatto families themselves, as was the case with Trujillo?s Haitian heritage, which goes back to the Chevalier family from the Port-au-Prince oligarchy. They descend from a high ranking Frenchman that governed Saint Domingue in the 1700s.

 

[vacanodr]

I just love it. I love how people want to call dominicans the n word and be racist against them in the states and then try to say they are not black afterwards. It just shows it is all the old school imperialist strategy to divide blacks and people with mostly black blood in them to make them weaker. The strategy extends to divide all minorities so certain whites hold all of the power.

Let me tell you, i have seen so many dominicans come to the usa and quickly learn that they are the n word here and nothing else and miss the DR because it was not so racist but understand that in the usa they are the n word and nothing else. It is almost like a sick joke to see old racist white guys in a forum trying to say they are not black or mostly black.

 

[Givadogahome]

In short, when people have been messed with, insulted, put down, hurt and exploited and abused by other races or countries, they get mad and bitter and sometimes want apologies. It is natural. If my people came into wherever you are and took and broke everything and did mean and cold things for years to your people, your people might be mad at me for years to come. Duh! They might open up one day and say that my people were wrong and they are deeply insulted by the horrific actions and ask me if my people are a bunch or bad people. And the decent and correct thing to do is say sorry I am embarassed (with a red face that is showing shame) and to say that there was no excuse what we did and nothing like it should never happen again because we have changed and times have changed. Dominicans are mad at Haitians just like people around the world are mad at the UK or Germany or other european countries who enslaved them. The correct thing to do is to just be embarrassed and apologize and say you hope it will not happen again because times have changed.

Hmm, interesting but I don't get it, 'we', 'us'? I simply don't see how an individual should be embarrassed and apologize for something he didn't have any say or in any way partake. You can't hold someone accountable for history because they were born in the same country as those who offended, nor should that person feel embarrassed, saddened that it happened, but I expect it wouldn't matter where someone was from if they were saddened it is because something sad happened, same, nationality doesn't need to come into it.

peopel should get over these things, and for the most part, I think they are, but some just never will, just as some will not be saddened, possibly even proud. We're all becoming more individual this day and age, hopefully.

 

[PICHARDO]

Can you leave race, color, etc... Out of this thread?

Going back to the numbers:

These latest numbers are only a placebo to soften locals to the new Haitian immigration policy roll-out.

Like I told you guys well ahead of time, the DR will be issuing Haitians their IDs in the country. Legal or not.

We're going to make use of the actual hardware in use from the old and present cedulas, in order to issue the Haitian Identity Cards. The new DR cedulas will require a new system for printing and encoding.

So how you soften the public's reaction to having local JCE' offices start issuing Haitian cedulas? Numb the numbers a bit and tweak the data issue out to the media.

 

[Chip]

P.S. I'd like to know how many non-Dominican citizens like CC and Chip live in the DR. I think the figure will be very low or I may be wrong. Don't know though.

Who says I'm not Dominican???

 

[Chip]

Revisionist history

??????? Please explain.