A-Rod or Albert Pujols?.....Who is more dangerous?...

Marianopolita

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Good article ~

Since I am not a pitcher it is interesting to read the opinion of one. I think good hitters like Pujols, A-Rod, Miguel Cabrera, J Bautista etc intimidate pitchers tremendously because they know one hit can change the dynamics of the game especially a grand slam. Interestingly enough the commentators in the Jays vs. Tigers game last night were talking about how pitchers handle these types of hitters. Many are so good that no matter what type of ball they pitch- a fast ball, a curve ball, or a slider, they can hit it out of the park where as other hitters are not as versatile. As well, some homerun hitters like Pujols and Bautista make pitchers pay for their mistakes. One bad pitch and it's gone. I have seen this many times.


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"Albert Pujols"

I am not surprised that the one in the article says Pujols is more dangerous. However, his is just one opinion. I would love to hear from the top ten pitchers in the Majors currently which players they fear most when they step up to the plate. Interestingly, Pujols hit his 400th career homerun last night and Jos? Bautista hit his 41st of the year and 100th of his career. When the score is tight and a slugger comes to the plate it's predictable that the pitcher will walk that batter and face the next one and what happens- that batter hits a home run! I have seen it many times. It might have been better to pitch to the Pujols and A-Rods of the world.

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"Jos? Bautista"

I have never seen Albert Pujols play because I watch American League games (no choice that's what I get) but the game of the week is usually a National League game and one of these days I will get to see the St.Louis Cardinals play- espero.


-MP.
 

rice&beans

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Going.....going.......GONE!!....

I am not surprised that the one in the article says Pujols is more dangerous. However, his is just one opinion. I would love to hear from the top ten pitchers in the Majors currently which players they fear most when they step up to the plate.

Agreed.......BUT......I wouldn't wanna be Todd Jones when A-Rod faces him the next time....lol.......;);)
 

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It depends:

If you are a female, then A-Rod is much more dangerous.

If you are an opposing pitcher, then I think at the present time, Albert is the more dangerous.

HB
 

rice&beans

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If you are a female, then A-Rod is much more dangerous.

Hahaha.......thinking outside of the (batters) box.......I like that HB.......lol
 

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Albert Pujols by far is the best hitter in the game, and Bautista shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as "The Machine". Bautista---7yrs to 100 hrs......Albert had 282 in his first 7 yrs.....Bautista never had a year over 16 (except this one)....Albert never under 32...?????
 

suarezn

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If you are the wife of Ambiorix Burgos then you'd think that your husband is the most dangerous...

Apresan pelotero Ambiorix Burgos por raptar y tratar de envenenar a su ex esposa - Hoy Digital

donP

Not to hijack the thread, but this is the kind of stuff that really riles me up. What the hell is this guy doing free...heck what the heck is he doing alive? He has already killed a couple of women, almost killed his girlfriend in NY, and now tries to kill this one (not sure if it's the same girl as the one in NY). Seriously when will someone put a stop to this guy. Sorry about the rant. Carry on with Pujols Vs. Rodriguez. Pujols is better right now.
 

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Albert Pujols IMHO is heading straight to the Hall Of Fame especially after winning the Triple Crown this yr. A-Rod on the other hand straight to the Hall of Shame w/ Mark, Rodger, and Sammy to name a few!
 

Marianopolita

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Why I mentioned Bautista...

I made mention of Bautista because he is the current homerun leader. However, that does not take anything away from Pujols. I think anyone who has been following baseball over the last decade or so knows what he can do and has done.

I stated in my first post that I am not surprised that the pitcher in the article picked Pujols over Alex. Although I have never been an A-Rod fan per se surely he can be recognized as a good ballplayer but recent scandal and confession has changed people's perception of him (as it should) and appreciation for what he has contributed to the game of baseball. Anyway his numbers are considerably down this year.

BermudaRum, I laughed at your comment because these ball players who have shamed themselves have no chance at redeeming themselves either (in my opinion). I admire a few ball players in the league and I hope nothing of sort becomes part of their history.


-MP.
 

Berzin

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A-Rod may have been on 'roids for many years but his biggest offense against the game was sleeping with that superannuated, sinewy mess Madonna.

I would keep him out of the Hall of Fame just for that.
 

rice&beans

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Pujols is 30....A-Rod is 35.......

I don't see Pujols play because I could care less about the National League teams. Albert may be a better hitter at this time, but is he a better home run hitter than Arod?





The Cardinals first basemen should be approaching 600 career home runs around the same age (35) Alex Rodriguez was, giving him, just like Rodriguez, a very good shot at eclipsing the all-time mark currently held by Barry Bonds at 762.

Yet Bonds and Rodriguez, who are among only seven players to reach the 600- career home run mark, have both had their names tied to performance-enhancing drugs.


Read more: Pujols eyes unprecedented record, but is it meaningful? - Baseball Wires - MiamiHerald.com

:cheeky::cheeky:
 

rice&beans

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He's a baaaaaaad hitter.............(both)......

Albert Pujols is indeed a great player and would do well anywhere. I think he as two advantages that Arod does not have. He plays in the generally weaker National League and he is not in New York.


Albert Pujols did not pick the team he plays for, or the league...(National)...lol.....you play the hand you are dealt....they're both great players, but yes Pujols is the most dangerous....(of the two)...NOW.....that could change next year.....(who knows)......it's fun watching pitchers squirm when they bat.........LOL........;);)
 

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I once thought Arod was a sure thing to top Bonds but now I'm not so sure looking at his numbers.

As far as Pujols goes as long as he can stay healthy he could do it. At any rate it really couldn't happen to a better guy.
 

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but is he a better home run hitter than Arod?

Pujols is not going to catch Arod in HR; Pujols is not going to hit 40 HRs every year. If Arod plays 5 more years, He will hit at least 100 more HR.


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Berzin

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The days of A-Rod hitting 50 or even 40 homers a year are over.

Three reasons-the toll of accumulated injuries, the body's natural decline after a certain age (usually around the mid to late 30's) and the fact that he probably isn't on the same 'roid program as before.

He may reach the home run record, but it will be at a snail's pace, nowhere near as dramatic as Barry Bonds' run was.
 

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To be the best player, you have to have all 5 tools. Pujols is clearly the best hitter in baseball, but he has 2-3 tools. Arod still has all 5.
 

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It is unfathomable that this is being discussed. A-rod is Hall of Famer but Albert Pujols may end his career and one of the top 5 best player ever (Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Barry Bonds type). A-rod has had a lot of holes in his swing steroids notwithstanding, Pujols has none. Pujols is like a Manny Ramirez type of hitter where he is extremely dangerous and you cannot get him out with a pattern. Pujols Career OPS is 1.052 while Arod has .951 OPS, a difference of .101 points.
 

rice&beans

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Not quite.....How old am I?....

It is unfathomable that this is being discussed. A-rod is Hall of Famer but Albert Pujols may end his career and one of the top 5 best player ever (Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Barry Bonds type). A-rod has had a lot of holes in his swing steroids notwithstanding, Pujols has none. Pujols is like a Manny Ramirez type of hitter where he is extremely dangerous and you cannot get him out with a pattern. Pujols Career OPS is 1.052 while Arod has .951 OPS, a difference of .101 points.


That statement is a little tricky, Pujols is only 30...(Career OPS of 1.052).....A-Rod is 35...(Career OPS of .951)...don't be surprised if Pujols comes back to Earth....(levels off.....call it what you want)...with his OPS #.......also just a little reminder, how fast we forget.....when A-Rod was 30 yrs. young...(same age as Pujols now)......he hit 321 BA....48 HR...194 Hits.....1.031 OPS......growing old can be bad if your a baseball player.......;)




And for those that REALLY want to get bored to death....This is OPS explained.....somewhat...lol.....:cheeky::cheeky:


In baseball statistics, on-base plus slugging (denoted by OPS) is the combination of on base percentage (OBP) and slugging average (SLG). This statistic combines both the ability of a player to get on base and to hit for power. It is very popular in measuring the offensive worth of a player. An OPS of .900 or higher in [[[Major League Baseball]] puts the player in the upper echelon of offensive ability. Typically, the league leader in OPS will hover near the 1.000 mark.

OBS = AB(H+BB+HBP) +TB (AB+BB+HBP+SF)/AB (AB+BB+HBP+SF)



where:

H = Hits
BB = Bases on balls
HBP = Times hit by pitch
AB = At bats
SF = Sacrifice flies
TB = Total bases







Total bases refers to the number of bases a player has gained with hits, i.e. the sum of his/her hits weighted by 1 for a single, 2 for a double, 3 for a triple and 4 for a home run.

Only bases from safe hits count toward this total. Total bases can be calculated from commonly used baseball statistics by using the formula TB = 1B + 2x2B + 3x3B + 4xHR.

Got that....hahaha.........just when you thought baseball was easy......lol....
 
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ExtremeR

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That tells you that when A-rod was on his peak his best season OPS couldn't match Pujols career OPS. Let's compare Pujols vs A-Rod career numbers:

Pujols:
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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2001	21	STL	NL	161	676	590	112	194	47	4	37	130	1	3	69	93	.329	.403	.610	1.013	157	360	21	9	1	7	6	5379/D	AS,MVP-4,RoY-1,SS
2002	22	STL	NL	157	675	590	118	185	40	2	34	127	2	4	72	69	.314	.394	.561	.955	151	331	20	9	0	4	13	*753/D96	MVP-2
2003	23	STL	NL	157	685	591	137	212	51	1	43	124	5	1	79	65	.359	.439	.667	1.106	187	394	13	10	0	5	12	*73/D	AS,MVP-2,SS
2004	24	STL	NL	154	692	592	133	196	51	2	46	123	5	5	84	52	.331	.415	.657	1.072	172	389	21	7	0	9	12	*3/D	AS,MVP-3,SS
2005	25	STL	NL	161	700	591	129	195	38	2	41	117	16	2	97	65	.330	.430	.609	1.039	168	360	19	9	0	3	27	*3	AS,MVP-1
2006	26	STL	NL	143	634	535	119	177	33	1	49	137	7	2	92	50	.331	.431	.671	1.102	178	359	20	4	0	3	28	*3	AS,MVP-2,GG
2007	27	STL	NL	158	679	565	99	185	38	1	32	103	2	6	99	58	.327	.429	.568	.997	157	321	27	7	0	8	22	*3	AS,MVP-9
2008	28	STL	NL	148	641	524	100	187	44	0	37	116	7	3	104	54	.357	.462	.653	1.114	190	342	16	5	0	8	34	*3/D4	AS,MVP-1,SS
2009	29	STL	NL	160	700	568	124	186	45	1	47	135	16	4	115	64	.327	.443	.658	1.101	188	374	23	9	0	8	44	*3/D	AS,MVP-1,SS
2010	30	STL	NL	133	589	502	93	155	31	1	35	96	12	3	81	62	.309	.402	.584	.986	162	293	22	1	0	5	33	*3	AS

ARod:
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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
1994	18	SEA	AL	17	59	54	4	11	0	0	0	2	3	0	3	20	.204	.241	.204	.445	16	11	0	0	1	1	0	6	
1995	19	SEA	AL	48	149	142	15	33	6	2	5	19	4	2	6	42	.232	.264	.408	.672	72	58	0	0	1	0	0	6/D	
1996	20	SEA	AL	146	677	601	141	215	54	1	36	123	15	4	59	104	.358	.414	.631	1.045	160	379	15	4	6	7	1	*6	AS,MVP-2,SS
1997	21	SEA	AL	141	638	587	100	176	40	3	23	84	29	6	41	99	.300	.350	.496	.846	120	291	14	5	4	1	1	*6/D	AS
1998	22	SEA	AL	161	748	686	123	213	35	5	42	124	46	13	45	121	.310	.360	.560	.919	136	384	12	10	3	4	0	*6/D	AS,MVP-9,SS
1999	23	SEA	AL	129	572	502	110	143	25	0	42	111	21	7	56	109	.285	.357	.586	.943	134	294	12	5	1	8	2	*6	MVP-15,SS
2000	24	SEA	AL	148	672	554	134	175	34	2	41	132	15	4	100	121	.316	.420	.606	1.026	162	336	10	7	0	11	5	*6	AS,MVP-3,SS
2001	25	TEX	AL	162	732	632	133	201	34	1	52	135	18	3	75	131	.318	.399	.622	1.021	160	393	17	16	0	9	6	*6/D	AS,MVP-6,SS
2002	26	TEX	AL	162	725	624	125	187	27	2	57	142	9	4	87	122	.300	.392	.623	1.015	158	389	14	10	0	4	12	*6	AS,MVP-2,GG,SS
2003	27	TEX	AL	161	715	607	124	181	30	6	47	118	17	3	87	126	.298	.396	.600	.995	147	364	16	15	0	6	10	*6/D	AS,MVP-1,GG,SS
2004	28	NYY	AL	155	698	601	112	172	24	2	36	106	28	4	80	131	.286	.375	.512	.888	131	308	18	10	0	7	6	*5/6	AS,MVP-14
2005	29	NYY	AL	162	715	605	124	194	29	1	48	130	21	6	91	139	.321	.421	.610	1.031	173	369	8	16	0	3	8	*5/6D	AS,MVP-1,SS
2006	30	NYY	AL	154	674	572	113	166	26	1	35	121	15	4	90	139	.290	.392	.523	.914	134	299	22	8	0	4	8	*5/D	AS,MVP-13
2007	31	NYY	AL	158	708	583	143	183	31	0	54	156	24	4	95	120	.314	.422	.645	1.067	176	376	15	21	0	9	11	*5/D	AS,MVP-1,SS
2008	32	NYY	AL	138	594	510	104	154	33	0	35	103	18	3	65	117	.302	.392	.573	.965	150	292	16	14	0	5	9	*5/D	AS,MVP-8,SS
2009	33	NYY	AL	124	535	444	78	127	17	1	30	100	14	2	80	97	.286	.402	.532	.933	147	236	13	8	0	3	7	*5/D	MVP-10
2010	34	NYY	AL	113	488	432	58	115	27	2	21	98	4	3	45	79	.266	.334	.484	.818	122	209	6	3	0	8	1	*5D	AS

As you guys can see Arod best season OPS barely can match Pujols career line and if we go by OPS+ which compensates by era, stadiums and leagues Arod is at an excellent career 146+ (100 is an average baseball player, not mediocre) but Pujols is clicking at an otherwordly 171+ almost reaching Barry Bonds status (184). Of course he may fall off in his later years but I think we haven't seen the best of Pujols just yet.