Being that I'm Puerto Rican

[PuertoRock2005]

Being that I'm puerto rican, I was surprised to see a Dominican forum, I initially wanted to see if there were to see if I could find a dominican women that would date a Puertorican. Now, I'm just wondering why Dominicans don't get along with Puerto Ricans.
I used to work with this Dominican who would say that every rapper that came out that was Latino was Dominican. I really didn't care what race they were,but he made that extra effort to find out every Dominican cat that was popular and wanted me to know about it, I mean, this cat wasn't educated past high school and I was in High school at the time, but I graduated and he's still at the same job, going past twenty years getting no money, because I know he's not making much. I'm not trying to put him down, but it just seems that he was just fronting for his mess ups, becuase although he was very Dominican by any respects, he was living with a Puerto Rican woman. I always encouraged him to go to school like i did, but he never wanted to for some reason, as if he felt that he couldn't do any better. at the job, he never so much as ruffled anybody's feathers regarding how he felt about the job. I would speak my mind about some of the s**t that I didn't like and he would clam up about it. well anyways. I personally think that he's insecure, but that's just me.

My question to all Dominicans is, do you get along with Puerto Ricans or what are opinions on Puerto Ricans. I must admit that I grew in a family that treated Dominicans with hostility, but never knew why, becuase I thought they were just like us. but maybe I'm wrong. I was interested in knowing more about the Dominican culture becuase I grew up with them in the same neighborhood, but never dealt with them on a personal level.

I've met Dominican women who are beautiful, but the way they were acting towards me seemed pretty hostile. they treated me as if I was trying to marry them and all I wanted to do was talk to them and get to know them.

so can anyone answer, all your opinions will be appreciated, thank you in advance.

 

[RP23]

Well... PuertoRock2005. Let me give you my opinion on why I didn't like Puerto Ricans.
When I was growing up in Brooklyn I lived in a area full of Puerto Ricans. My family and I were the frist Dominican family to live there. I went to a school full of Puerto Ricans. They didn't like any other culture that wasn't thiers. They hated my culture. (I don't know why because we are not that different.) They use to dis on the Dominican culture. They always thought I was one of them; Just, because I'm light skin and had good hair. They had a huge stero type on Dominicans. I kept telling them time and time again I wasn't Dominican. They would just laugh in my face and tell me "why do you want to be Dominican if our race is better. You should be proud we are letting you hang and talk to us." I wasn't a surprice they would say somthing like that. I didn't really like them at all. I stop talking to them and started hangging out with different culture people. My father use to make fun of the way they spoke. I hated them up to I got into High School and became friends with a Puerto Rican Girl. She was great a complete 180 from the others. she is one of my best friends and still is. We do have a different way of speaking Spanish; There are some words that are different. I even told her about my "hate Puerto Rican past" She laugh and agreed with me on the way SOME of them act. I use to tell her I would Never date a Puerto Rican. I ate my words!!!! When I went to College i met a great Puerto Rican Man. I have been in a serious 3yr relationship with a Puerto Rican Man. I ask my self how do I do it, but I'm in love with him. I have changed my whole opinion about Puerto Ricans and I still see the little crazy ones, but Not all are crazy. I hope I at least help you answer your question.

 

[helpmann]

Just White People Here...

Being that I'm puerto rican, I was surprised to see a Dominican forum

This really isn't a "Dominican" forum. It's more like a forum on Tourism and Ex-Pat Living in the Dominican Republic. It's pretty much English-speaking white people here.

-Helpmann

 

[perlanegra]

Being that I'm puerto rican, I was surprised to see a Dominican forum, I initially wanted to see if there were to see if I could find a dominican women that would date a Puertorican. Now, I'm just wondering why Dominicans don't get along with Puerto Ricans.
I used to work with this Dominican who would say that every rapper that came out that was Latino was Dominican. I really didn't care what race they were,but he made that extra effort to find out every Dominican cat that was popular and wanted me to know about it, I mean, this cat wasn't educated past high school and I was in High school at the time, but I graduated and he's still at the same job, going past twenty years getting no money, because I know he's not making much. I'm not trying to put him down, but it just seems that he was just fronting for his mess ups, becuase although he was very Dominican by any respects, he was living with a Puerto Rican woman. I always encouraged him to go to school like i did, but he never wanted to for some reason, as if he felt that he couldn't do any better. at the job, he never so much as ruffled anybody's feathers regarding how he felt about the job. I would speak my mind about some of the s**t that I didn't like and he would clam up about it. well anyways. I personally think that he's insecure, but that's just me.

My question to all Dominicans is, do you get along with Puerto Ricans or what are opinions on Puerto Ricans. I must admit that I grew in a family that treated Dominicans with hostility, but never knew why, becuase I thought they were just like us. but maybe I'm wrong. I was interested in knowing more about the Dominican culture becuase I grew up with them in the same neighborhood, but never dealt with them on a personal level.

I've met Dominican women who are beautiful, but the way they were acting towards me seemed pretty hostile. they treated me as if I was trying to marry them and all I wanted to do was talk to them and get to know them.

so can anyone answer, all your opinions will be appreciated, thank you in advance.

See all this!!!!
I used to work with this Dominican who would say that every rapper that came out that was Latino was Dominican. I really didn't care what race they were,but he made that extra effort to find out every Dominican cat that was popular and wanted me to know about it, I mean, this cat wasn't educated past high school and I was in High school at the time, but I graduated and he's still at the same job, going past twenty years getting no money, because I know he's not making much. I'm not trying to put him down, but it just seems that he was just fronting for his mess ups, becuase although he was very Dominican by any respects, he was living with a Puerto Rican woman. I always encouraged him to go to school like i did, but he never wanted to for some reason, as if he felt that he couldn't do any better. at the job, he never so much as ruffled anybody's feathers regarding how he felt about the job. I would speak my mind about some of the s**t that I didn't like and he would clam up about it. well anyways. I personally think that he's insecure, but that's just me.

That's one of the main reasons why Dominicans don't get along with Ricans for God's sake!!!
Here you are denigrating the poor guy (and not I'm not trying to put him down!!) and to tell you the truth, i don't think you really like the idea that he was so much into his culture and that he thought that every raper who came out was Dominican in some way!! Maybe the uneducated guy (becuase this is where it boils down, with respect to everything you've said about him!!!)had to much to stand for, HE HAS PRIDE IN WHERE HE COMES FROM!!!!! BROTHER RICAN!!! that he can't not even differentiate what is what, but yet he prays everything is Dominican!!

That's to show you, how we Dominicans love our motherland, that not matter where we are (I'm in Los Angeles), our entire self ivolves around its beauty, it's culture, it's news. We love when we go back and feel like we never left; it's always waiting with open arms. We don't owe it to anybody, that most be why, uhh!!!!

Let me not get out of the subject!!

PuertoRock 2005!! It is not only Dominicans that don't get along with Ricans, how about Cubans!! You will probably get slaped by a Cuban if anyone dare confuse one with a Rican!!

Ricans need to do lots of homework on getting all that American pride you guys claim to have off your system!! Stop thinking that you are really Americans, maybe it will help you understand why people who come from independent islands, have so much pride and think that everything is Dominican!!!???

I'm an American Citizen, Dominican born and raised in her homeland, but there is one thing I do have clear; this opportunity has been lended to me and can be taken away any minute; but the fact that I'm Dominican will never be taken!

By the way I do get along with everybody, have lots of friends from many parts of the world, including Ricans, but this is my opinion.

 

[Don Juan]

Exactly, what do you mean by: "Being that I'm Puerto Rican", I was "surprised" to see a Dominican forum? What are you "surprised" about?
And what's with all the "cats"?

 

[PuertoRock2005]

PRIDE huh?

excuse, perlanegra, but do you need a hug?

 

[Berzin]

Puerto Ricans have an identity crisis for the most part. At least the ones I know in NYC. They have totally distanced themselves from their island roots and have taken on "ghetto culture" to identify with. And any puerto-rican who strays from this is accused of being "white".

Think of the difference between Washington Heights and the Fordham Road area in the Bronx, which has a large puerto-rican community. There are dominicans who are proud of their homeland and are doing well here in the states. There are some bad parts in Washington Heights but you can also go and see where dominicans are doing well. Not so in the Bronx. It is for the most part one gigantic slum.

I always thought that something must happen to these people on their way from San Juan to the Bronx, but having recently visited Vieques and doing volunteer work in a high school there, it is apparent that this is not the case.

Out of 400 high school students, 37 10th graders were pregnant. I asked about this and a teacher told me, "Hey, we're doing better this year. Last year the number was 65!!!"

This community suffers from many ills and can do alot to look at what the dominicans are doing in New York-they are striving and doing well compared to the puerto ricans and they face much greater odds. So it does'nt surprise me that there is animosity between these two cultures.

 

[Don Juan]

Sir or Madame.

Allow me to share with you the reason why (in my opinion) 'Ricans don't get along with the rest of us Latins. In one word: Arrogance.
I have lived most of my life in the US and have met people from most places in the world. Just about every nationality I've come to know has its own quirks & peculiarities. Some can be good, others bad. We Dominicans can be obnoxious at times but, generally speaking, we're a proud people but humble at the same time, if that makes any sense to you.... Puerto Ricans on the other hand, generally speaking, feel that since they happen to be "Americans" by birthright, are naturally superior to the rest of Latin America. Let me make it clear to you all that, you are living in fantasy. We don't regard you as being anything special other than the fact that your little island can be a conduit to mainland US. As a matter of fact we Latins think mostly of you 'Ricans as "vende-patria". Being on the US welfare does not mean superiority. It means dependence. It means you have to kiss ass! Get your priorities straight!! Come down from your cloud and be nice! Canto 'e chochas!

 

[Potato_Salad]

During the DR1 (New York City) gathering two nights ago, I had the chance to have a better understanding about Puerto Rico. Anyway, this is an interesting thread!

 

[DarkDreamer]

With all due respect DOn JUan...I have also met tons of arrogants DOminicans I see no basis for generalizing an entire culture. I am puerto rican and in no way shape or form regard myself as superior to any other culture based on the fact that I may be or not an american citizen by birthright, In fact i believe that is the most idiotic basis for feeling superiority. As for vende patrias I rather you to talk about a place u dont live in and whose knowledge of both its culture and history are so limited. To understand being puerto ricna you would have to be puerto rican. You dont go through to what we go through and u will never understand the pride we may feel for our island. Its not an easy task to understand our psyche and anything that may come from an outside source is completele irrelevant and bogus to me, but its ok for I know u are just generalizing and basing ur opinion on your personal perception and experience of what a boricua is...
Oh and by the way I think its an INSULT that you comment about welfare what is wrong with you people generalizing as if no one worked here, this offends me so much I've seen the sweat in my grandparents forehead trying to make a better living for their family, I have seen my parents hold onto 2 jobs to be able to send us to college, so dont tell em I live of welfare my sudor amigo no es tan diferente al de la frente de un hermano dominicano suyo. Mas respeto...there are educated and respectful Boricuas out there who do not deserve being generalized.

ps. to the puerto rican dude...dude dont put us to shame I dont see how ur personal experience with one individual is even remotely relevant to this thread..u coudl have just asked why both cultures dont get along...oh and the way u talk about this "dude" sounds horribly close to " I hated he was dominican, but let me not point that one out since we are in a dominican board"...Jesus Christ get ur act together stop being so damn prejudiced. What does it matter if he loves being DOminican, love bein Puerto Rican! I like pointing out the triumphs of my culture why shouldnt he?

 

[PuertoRock2005]

I wanted to play Devil's advocate to see what reactions I would get and it seems that we are as seperated as the U.S. wants us to be.

I don't know what the identity crisis is about, but it might have to do with the fact that we've been here since 1917. it's easy to see how one can lose their identity when you come to the U.S. when they were going through the Great Depression. Whites were attacking us in Chicago while for trying to take their jobs. we had to work three times as hard as white folks to get ahead and if it meant acting white than that's what happened. this was not a pretty time in history, everybody weren't any civil rights in the U.S. back then. We went through beign treated like second class citizens back then. Dominicans have been here since the 1960's so you can't say that you won't do the same in about fifty years or so, bro. then again, this isn't 1917, Civil Rights exist now, so you don't have to do that. this isn't me beign arrogant, it's just a fact. you don't have to change your identity to fit in anymore. America tolerates those who don't assimilate nowadays. This country is practically Bilingual already. I can understand that you're getting treated like second-class citizens now, because it's happened throughout all of american history.

I have not been to DR personally, and I've heard all types of stories. depends on which Dominican I'm talking to though. some wont' talk pretty about itand some will tell me it's a beautiful land with Lush Landscapes and Panoramic views. I've only seen the tourist sites so I can't say anything. I can only say what I've heard.
I have met Dominicans that can be as arrogant as the next Puerto Rican. there's nothing wrong with pride, but it borders on being competitive, which seperates us. Jamaicans do the same thing with African Americans so this is nothing new. It's funny becuase everytime it comes to us being different it looks like a damn competition.
I had a Peruvian Girl tell me something about us having "Sangre de Negro" meaning nigger's blood, so what does that tell you about Peruvians, that they are prejudice, I don't know, all I know is that one girl wasn't too happy about being around Ricans or Dominicans
We are the same people. We're just scattered all over the Islands, we all originate from South America, if I'm not corrected. and yes we are mixed with African, Indigenous, and Spainard. To my knowledge we were there during the middle passage of the European Slave Trade. we have the same blood running through our venas and we're not too far away from each other since the indegenous arawaks were traveling through all these lands before Cristobal Colon came, so why hate on each other. and don't tell me that Dominicans don't do that, becuase they do, they don't turn the other cheek. I guess Puerto Ricans tend to be more Blunt about it.

I know that we act more entitled than thankful for being in America, but we worked hard to strive and strive we have.

All in all it's just divide and conquer, the oldest game in the book, and the U.S. is wallowing on the floor while we continue to dispute our differences.

Makes no sense for us to squabble in a land that isn't ours.

I know my history for those that think I'm just some ignorant PR on here, I was just asking a question. I guess I opened a can of worms huh?, well, thanks for all your comments.

Much appreciated

 

[THE GAME]

boricuas have that arrogance for being americans by birth and they think they are better than any other hispanic race.

dominicans for the most part are humble, nicer people... but too many of them
talk too much about things, bragging about it w/o being asked. They will
start conversations, telling you that they have tons of money, land, house, etc etc. This is the only thing i dislike in dominicanos.. that they brag about anything w/o being asked. And who cares if you have high paying job, house worth $1 or 2 or 3 million pesos,, we didn't ask you.

i have boricuas and dominican friends.. i get along w/everyone.. and i grew up
in nyc public system (and grew up with boricuas, dominicanos, and african-americans). And i can say that boricuas generally put other hispanic races down. They only wanted to hang with blacks; would make fun of mexicans, dominicans and always thought they were better.

so i think puertoricans & dominicans had rivalry b/c puertoricans always acted
as better than anybody else, acted with arrogance... and dominicans annoyed boricuas b/c dominicans are loud, and brag too much.

 

[Berzin]

Well, the reality is that there is a need for humility on both sides. The Dominican Republic, with their drug barons, extensive poverty, corrupt government and island full of whores have nothing to be all that arrogant about either if you look at it from a negative perspective. It depends on the individual.

 

[perlanegra]

excuse, perlanegra, but do you need a hug?

NOOOO!! I THINK YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS HUGS!!! REAL HUGS; NOT MAKE BELIEVE LIKE EVERYTHING THAT SURROUNDS YOUR FAKE WORLD!!!

I DO KNOW WHERE MY HEAD AND FEET ARE!!

 

[perlanegra]

ps. to the puerto rican dude...dude dont put us to shame I dont see how ur personal experience with one individual is even remotely relevant to this thread..u coudl have just asked why both cultures dont get along...oh and the way u talk about this "dude" sounds horribly close to " I hated he was dominican, but let me not point that one out since we are in a dominican board"...Jesus Christ get ur act together stop being so damn prejudiced. What does it matter if he loves being DOminican, love bein Puerto Rican! I like pointing out the triumphs of my culture why shouldnt he?


Thank you DarkDreamer

 

[perlanegra]

The Dominican Republic, with their drug barons, extensive poverty, corrupt government and island full of whores have nothing to be all that arrogant about!!!

Wao!! y supuestamente there is none of the above in PR, UH???

You need to do some homework Berzin!!!

 

[DRConquistador]

well, we see the DR in the back of magazines because it's a third world country, it's in the magazine, look at Life or Time and you'll see what I'm talking about. as for the Drug Lordz, why is it that they always look at DRs like their drug lords, Puerto Ricans are nothing but thieves, but DRs do better, they live off the blood off their own people, I don't know what to tell you. DRs like to exploit their own. PRs hang out with blacks with because they grew up with them way before Dominicans came into the picture, they've only been here for a bit, since they only let them in every couple years. They hang out with white people becuase they think that it will bring their status up, well, you know what they call you behind your back, right
if you're not a wet back your a spic so..........

Puerto Ricans know their Puerto Rican. go 'head. it's not about putting shame on ourselve, DarkDreamer, it's about facts, both patrias have the same ills that have plagued us for years, I know dominicans on Welfare. they won't tell you that but you find out sooner or later that they.

why is it that ya'll have no love for your fellow Hatian Hermanos, ya'll won't even look at them, Perla, you're so proud to be american yourself so don't try it, you're trying to be as white as the next PR, look at you.

PRs don't have to stress the fact that they are PR, they have it in their blood, they are so proud that they don't need to rock the flag up and down . they don't have to talk broken english to be noticed as a Latino, if you can master the English Tongue, than you're at a greater advantage. what does being proud have to do with anything anyways. Pride limits you,

they say dominicans like talking all loud about what they have, which in reality is having a complex. it's like the guy who talks about getting so much *ss, when he really doesn't. it's not about being rich, it's about being wealthy and not letting talking about it. How do you know you're not gonna get robbed because you have such a big mansion or such an expensive car. to me, that's futile. it's a waste of breath and risky in, especially when you have envidiosos around your way.

DRs have made great strides but it's really becuase PRs laid the path for them to be treated equal, it's nothing to brag about, but dominicans did not work as hard as the puertoricans that came here in the start of the century, being called spics and all that.
DRs should be thankful, and they should kiss every puertorican who ever goes their way.
it's like Jamaicans should be thankful for the blacks that fought for their rights, becuase if it wasn't for them, they wouldn't be able to come to this great land. but you know what, they won't do that, why, their pride gets in their way. they can't be proud about being black, they won't even claim to be black becuase they are Jamaican, but white folks still consider them n****rs
there's poverty on both lands and there's ghettos on both lands as well, but PRs don't have to sleep with white girls to get over to the U.S. that's all, the fact that a great number of DRs do it is a damn shame, but hey, PRs did it in the beginning as well, if not still doing it. As for PRs being supported by U.S., DR had a dictator , Trujillo, who was suppported by the U.S. but he messed up somewhere.
we all know that PR is only in the U.s. favor because of the Naval base in Vieques so we don't have to rehash that.

And yeah, there's whores in PR, yeah, their in whorehouses in San Juan, but then again, guess where their from, DR, Peru, Bolivia, Colombia.

DRs love to brag about alot of stuff but forget that they want the Milk and honey as much as the PRs do. it's not pride, it's being a capitalist. and it's not racism, it's classism, I've seen DRs that won't get along with blacks buetif DRs love being in DR so much, why do so many want to come to PR?, there's alot of them living over there. oh, well. can't do better in PR huh?

If DRs are so thankful for their land, why don't they stay there. if it's so abundant in goods, why are so many DRs fleeing to the U.S. in droves, it's not like you have to leave, and it's not like it's easy neither. you have to go through alot of paperwork to get that greencard, so it takes alot of effort. and there you go smiling with your teeth all showing grinning, beucase guess what? you're american.

the reason alot of DRs live in NY is becuase they have to renew their cards every couple years or so. that's the reason you live in such a cruddy city. I've been to ghettos in Queens, with them tight-a** apartments and with a whole bunch of stuff packed up to the ceiling, nothing to be proud of. yeah, you have to hustle to get where you want to. PRs don't need to do that anymore, they did that in the 20's, 30's, 40's, etc. no need for that no more, so yeah, they'll act like their entitled, becuase damn it they helped build america just like the rest of these morenos and chinese and every other race that's come to this country. DRs have it easier now than if they came up back then.

I know DRs that don't want to go back, I've read many of these posts on here and it's like most of the people in here talk all about there's hoes in DR this and there's dudes that'll hump anything non-dominican. what's that tell you about DR when you read this? that DRs are full of self-hate, that's all, but you're in a transitional period, there'll be a day when you can rise up and say that you too are a proud american, everybody wants a piece of America, don't lie, if you don't like it, go back, the Peruvians will take your card and run with it faster than guiro with it's a** on fire, so go 'head.

in reality we're both looked at as a bunch of spics so don't forget that. that being American BS isnt' even true. they are PR then they are American, just like you Perlanegra, you are DR and then you're American , and if you think that you can get that privilege taken away then you're thinking like the slaves who never left the plantation because they thought they couldn't do any better. Cubans do the same thing, talk all that smack about PR, but love being American, why, Castro's got that country in a choke hold.
Rock your card with pride mi'ja. I've known domincans who won't do certain things becuase they think they'll get fired or deported, like their paranoid but wtf, there's no need to think like that. you're not a damn slave, but some think that way.

 

[Mr_DR]

With all due respect DOn JUan...I have also met tons of arrogants DOminicans I see no basis for generalizing an entire culture. I am puerto rican and in no way shape or form regard myself as superior to any other culture based on the fact that I may be or not an american citizen by birthright, In fact i believe that is the most idiotic basis for feeling superiority. As for vende patrias I rather you to talk about a place u dont live in and whose knowledge of both its culture and history are so limited. To understand being puerto ricna you would have to be puerto rican. You dont go through to what we go through and u will never understand the pride we may feel for our island. Its not an easy task to understand our psyche and anything that may come from an outside source is completele irrelevant and bogus to me, but its ok for I know u are just generalizing and basing ur opinion on your personal perception and experience of what a boricua is...
Oh and by the way I think its an INSULT that you comment about welfare what is wrong with you people generalizing as if no one worked here, this offends me so much I've seen the sweat in my grandparents forehead trying to make a better living for their family, I have seen my parents hold onto 2 jobs to be able to send us to college, so dont tell em I live of welfare my sudor amigo no es tan diferente al de la frente de un hermano dominicano suyo. Mas respeto...there are educated and respectful Boricuas out there who do not deserve being generalized.

ps. to the puerto rican dude...dude dont put us to shame I dont see how ur personal experience with one individual is even remotely relevant to this thread..u coudl have just asked why both cultures dont get along...oh and the way u talk about this "dude" sounds horribly close to " I hated he was dominican, but let me not point that one out since we are in a dominican board"...Jesus Christ get ur act together stop being so damn prejudiced. What does it matter if he loves being DOminican, love bein Puerto Rican! I like pointing out the triumphs of my culture why shouldnt he?

I agree 100% with you Darkdreamer.

There are always bad dominicans as well as bad puerto ricans and the level of education plays a very important part in this DR vs PR hatred.

I have met some very nice Puerto Ricans as well as some real bad ones but I cant base the entire population on the bad ones.

The need of education and the fight to be the majority is what will always keep both culture disliking each other.

 

[Mr_DR]

well, we see the DR in the back of magazines because it's a third world country, it's in the magazine, look at Life or Time and you'll see what I'm talking about. as for the Drug Lordz, why is it that they always look at DRs like their drug lords, Puerto Ricans are nothing but thieves, but DRs do better, they live off the blood off their own people, I don't know what to tell you. DRs like to exploit their own. PRs hang out with blacks with because they grew up with them way before Dominicans came into the picture, they've only been here for a bit, since they only let them in every couple years. They hang out with white people becuase they think that it will bring their status up, well, you know what they call you behind your back, right
if you're not a wet back your a spic so..........

Puerto Ricans know their Puerto Rican. go 'head. it's not about putting shame on ourselve, DarkDreamer, it's about facts, both patrias have the same ills that have plagued us for years, I know dominicans on Welfare. they won't tell you that but you find out sooner or later that they.

why is it that ya'll have no love for your fellow Hatian Hermanos, ya'll won't even look at them, Perla, you're so proud to be american yourself so don't try it, you're trying to be as white as the next PR, look at you.

PRs don't have to stress the fact that they are PR, they have it in their blood, they are so proud that they don't need to rock the flag up and down . they don't have to talk broken english to be noticed as a Latino, if you can master the English Tongue, than you're at a greater advantage. what does being proud have to do with anything anyways. Pride limits you,

they say dominicans like talking all loud about what they have, which in reality is having a complex. it's like the guy who talks about getting so much *ss, when he really doesn't. it's not about being rich, it's about being wealthy and not letting talking about it. How do you know you're not gonna get robbed because you have such a big mansion or such an expensive car. to me, that's futile. it's a waste of breath and risky in, especially when you have envidiosos around your way.

DRs have made great strides but it's really becuase PRs laid the path for them to be treated equal, it's nothing to brag about, but dominicans did not work as hard as the puertoricans that came here in the start of the century, being called spics and all that.
DRs should be thankful, and they should kiss every puertorican who ever goes their way.
it's like Jamaicans should be thankful for the blacks that fought for their rights, becuase if it wasn't for them, they wouldn't be able to come to this great land. but you know what, they won't do that, why, their pride gets in their way. they can't be proud about being black, they won't even claim to be black becuase they are Jamaican, but white folks still consider them n****rs
there's poverty on both lands and there's ghettos on both lands as well, but PRs don't have to sleep with white girls to get over to the U.S. that's all, the fact that a great number of DRs do it is a damn shame, but hey, PRs did it in the beginning as well, if not still doing it. As for PRs being supported by U.S., DR had a dictator , Trujillo, who was suppported by the U.S. but he messed up somewhere.
we all know that PR is only in the U.s. favor because of the Naval base in Vieques so we don't have to rehash that.

And yeah, there's whores in PR, yeah, their in whorehouses in San Juan, but then again, guess where their from, DR, Peru, Bolivia, Colombia.

DRs love to brag about alot of stuff but forget that they want the Milk and honey as much as the PRs do. it's not pride, it's being a capitalist. and it's not racism, it's classism, I've seen DRs that won't get along with blacks buetif DRs love being in DR so much, why do so many want to come to PR?, there's alot of them living over there. oh, well. can't do better in PR huh?

If DRs are so thankful for their land, why don't they stay there. if it's so abundant in goods, why are so many DRs fleeing to the U.S. in droves, it's not like you have to leave, and it's not like it's easy neither. you have to go through alot of paperwork to get that greencard, so it takes alot of effort. and there you go smiling with your teeth all showing grinning, beucase guess what? you're american.

the reason alot of DRs live in NY is becuase they have to renew their cards every couple years or so. that's the reason you live in such a cruddy city. I've been to ghettos in Queens, with them tight-a** apartments and with a whole bunch of stuff packed up to the ceiling, nothing to be proud of. yeah, you have to hustle to get where you want to. PRs don't need to do that anymore, they did that in the 20's, 30's, 40's, etc. no need for that no more, so yeah, they'll act like their entitled, becuase damn it they helped build america just like the rest of these morenos and chinese and every other race that's come to this country. DRs have it easier now than if they came up back then.

I know DRs that don't want to go back, I've read many of these posts on here and it's like most of the people in here talk all about there's hoes in DR this and there's dudes that'll hump anything non-dominican. what's that tell you about DR when you read this? that DRs are full of self-hate, that's all, but you're in a transitional period, there'll be a day when you can rise up and say that you too are a proud american, everybody wants a piece of America, don't lie, if you don't like it, go back, the Peruvians will take your card and run with it faster than guiro with it's a** on fire, so go 'head.

in reality we're both looked at as a bunch of spics so don't forget that. that being American BS isnt' even true. they are PR then they are American, just like you Perlanegra, you are DR and then you're American , and if you think that you can get that privilege taken away then you're thinking like the slaves who never left the plantation because they thought they couldn't do any better. Cubans do the same thing, talk all that smack about PR, but love being American, why, Castro's got that country in a choke hold.
Rock your card with pride mi'ja. I've known domincans who won't do certain things becuase they think they'll get fired or deported, like their paranoid but wtf, there's no need to think like that. you're not a damn slave, but some think that way.

I am not going to disagree with you DRconquistador because you do make some strong point.

It is true that there are some lazy, welfare suclking Puerto Ricans but we can not blame PR entirely for this.

Imho, The US is partially to blame because they were the ones that placed everything on a silverplate tray.

I have seen it with my own eyes where many younger than 50 year old Puerto Ricans go back to PR to see some doctors that will assist them so that they can claim disability through social security even if it means "mental" because the tests performed in PR are by far less intense than those done in the states.

With that thrre are some very hard workin Puerto Ricans out there.
Just remember that these was proved when Puerto Ricans were the ones that were taking the canoes to DR.

DRconquistador,
the only reason why not so many dominicans ended up in NY in those early years was because of the fact that the DR was not doing that bad in those years, therfore, there was no need to migrate.

It is a fact that DR migration to the US started in late 1969.

Also as far as some Dominicans wanting to stay in PR is true but the truth behind is that most of these people stay in PR because they can no longer use PR as a bridge to get to NY anymore. I can guarantee you that if the US was to let those people continue their journey, more than 3/4 of these people would immediately board the plane.

You will not find many legal Dominicans settled happily in PR as their final stop, and the ones that you do find are either married to puerto ricans or are there just waiting to complete the petitions of other relatives before they take the next jump. They do all this in PR because it is much cheaper for them to travel from PR back to DR if any emergencies should arise, than it would be from another state.

Don't get me wrong, PR is a very beautiful country but for a dominican there is no place like home and the dream of most of these people is to someday be able to come back and stay forever until they become part of the soil that makes up our land.

 

[DRConquistador]

everybody's dream is to do that, bro, you can't say that PRs don't want to do, the ones that work here talk about buying a house in PR as soon as they retire. and I do agree that Education does play a big role, the thing is that the U.S. has us seperated by pitting us against each other, I wasn't trying to argue, I was just pointing out everybody's stereotype of what we think of each other, I understand that DR was economically in good standing before the 60s, but you can't say that PR wasn't in good standing. we both went through the same BS, just at a different time. we both were discovered and then conquered by Columbus and Spain, we both have that Arawak blood flowing through our veins. I am in no way trying to be a racist or whatever. but too many of us are arguing over stuff that is just plain nonsense. the educated ones don't bicker over such silly things as material items, that was never PRs or DRs way of living anyways. but the U.S. is exploiting both and because of that both are leaving their homeland to do something to give back. I know about that SSI BS and yeah, there's a new thing to rely on after welfare reform, but that doesn't make everybody on the island lazy. it's the U.S. and I couldn't agree more. maybe my information isn't all the way exact. MrDR you may have been about the only one I can agree with about the education, becuase it is very true, those who don't have an education are going to bicker over stuff that's unknown. knowledge is king. I may have gone off on some people but it's because they were lashing out and yeah, I stooped to their level and i apologize. Educated people won't bicker over such nonsense and it's true. you know it's crazy becuase in PR the classes are harder than in the U.S. or atleast it used to be, they would whip you if you didn't do your homework correctly, talk about Discipline. I bet they do the same in DR, as well as in Jamaica, that's why carribean people come to the U.S. and tend to do better than most americans in the public school system. the courses in the Carribean are rigorous and the teachers aren't soft.