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hlywud
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Virus is running rampant, I have received 25 emails today containing virus, Mc Affee caught them all!! Thank god, see previous post and the free fix if you get infected,
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Beware "Sir Cam Virus" update
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Ray J
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Re: Beware "Sir Cam Virus" update: Why ....
... does everybody seem to use Outlook Express?
This is the way in for so many virus attacks. I don't know the advantages of it except I can acertain that it has an address book since that's the way I hear it gets compromised the most.
I was too lazy to try to set it up in the first place and in the end the major providers like Yahoo and Hotmail took care of all my needs.
I can only guess that anyone who uses it ( OE ) must need the ability to CC major amounts of people with just one click. That and the fact that all computer (re)sellers market it to the user as a "value added" feature on all new computer sales.
My advice to new computer users would be to bypass it when the setup screens occur when firing up your new computer, and get onto one of the portals, AOL, Yahoo, hotmail, etc. and see if they satisfy your needs.
Unfortunately by the time you get here you've probably already made you're decision without the benefit of this info.
Granted I'm in an area that has cable modem access so I'm never bother'd by slow access and I'm pretty familiar with computers. I don't use any virus software as the interactive versions
used to slow it down horribly ( and I am still too lazy to re-load them to see if they still do ).
I'm not plagued by virus's ( as far as I know ) and I have even opened the odd spam email from an unknown sender just out of curiosity. But I don't open suspicious emails flippantly, and as far as I'm concerned, any email from an unknown sender is suspicious. I think I'm on track by identifying emails with subject such as "waiting on you" when I know no-one is waiting on me , as suspicious.
Well i guess I've gone on long enough.
At any rate the DR is a great place. I visit now every chance I get.
Hillbilly, I found some good DR knockoffs that I'm enjoying right now back home in CT.
O&C, is that really a legit dish? I'm gonna make some soon.
Wish I was in LT right now.
Adios
rj
... does everybody seem to use Outlook Express?
This is the way in for so many virus attacks. I don't know the advantages of it except I can acertain that it has an address book since that's the way I hear it gets compromised the most.
I was too lazy to try to set it up in the first place and in the end the major providers like Yahoo and Hotmail took care of all my needs.
I can only guess that anyone who uses it ( OE ) must need the ability to CC major amounts of people with just one click. That and the fact that all computer (re)sellers market it to the user as a "value added" feature on all new computer sales.
My advice to new computer users would be to bypass it when the setup screens occur when firing up your new computer, and get onto one of the portals, AOL, Yahoo, hotmail, etc. and see if they satisfy your needs.
Unfortunately by the time you get here you've probably already made you're decision without the benefit of this info.
Granted I'm in an area that has cable modem access so I'm never bother'd by slow access and I'm pretty familiar with computers. I don't use any virus software as the interactive versions
used to slow it down horribly ( and I am still too lazy to re-load them to see if they still do ).
I'm not plagued by virus's ( as far as I know ) and I have even opened the odd spam email from an unknown sender just out of curiosity. But I don't open suspicious emails flippantly, and as far as I'm concerned, any email from an unknown sender is suspicious. I think I'm on track by identifying emails with subject such as "waiting on you" when I know no-one is waiting on me , as suspicious.
Well i guess I've gone on long enough.
At any rate the DR is a great place. I visit now every chance I get.
Hillbilly, I found some good DR knockoffs that I'm enjoying right now back home in CT.
O&C, is that really a legit dish? I'm gonna make some soon.
Wish I was in LT right now.
Adios
rj
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hlywud
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Ray J and JIM H
Take your chances RayJ, I received via hotmail, so they are also suseptible, Maybe Jim H. can enlighten on the subject a bit.
So many people have got the SirCam virus (JimH had 31)and he knows computers likely better than most on this board.
Message was published as a "Warning". Guess you have been lucky!
Take your chances RayJ, I received via hotmail, so they are also suseptible, Maybe Jim H. can enlighten on the subject a bit.
So many people have got the SirCam virus (JimH had 31)and he knows computers likely better than most on this board.
Message was published as a "Warning". Guess you have been lucky!
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Jim Hinsch
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Re: Why Outlook Express vs. Web mail
Web based E-mail is for those that have very simple E-mail needs, and as a way to get e-mail when on the road. Power users need something more. Outlook Express is the best package I've found on the market.
Outlook Express is a Windows program. That distinction compared to web based E-mail makes a big difference because you get drag-and-drop, various import/export features, and copy/paste of just about anything (as opposed to web based E-mail which only support text copy-paste).
Messages can be formatted as any HTML document can, including using different fonts, type sizes, and bold/underline/italics.
Outlook Express allows the user to access multiple different E-mail accounts in a single pass (including Yahoo and Hotmail accounts) and allows the user to select who he wants to "be" (reply E-mail) for each reply. Users can even select which SMTP mail server will be used to send various e-mails.
Another good feature is the automation. I've got mine set up so when that nasty virus comes in, the program autmatically drops it into a folder I labeled "virus". You can tell Outlook Express to take various actions (move to folder, reply with a certain message, delete, copy it, hightlight the message, flag it, mark it as read, mark it as watched or ignored, stop processing more rules, do not download from server, delete it from the server, ...) based on various criteria (from contains, subject contains, to contains, message body contains, is marked as priority, size, has an attachment, is secure, ...
OE also has an extensive contact list with about 100 different fields available and totally searchable, a large variety of customizable views a web based e-mail could never hope to match, a newsreader with all the features of the mail handling, and so much more.
If you are running the lastest version of Outlook Express (free with Internet Explorer, which is also free), you cannot catch a virus just by opening and reading an E-mail. Just don't click on executable attachments you don't know for sure are virus free.
I use web-based e-mail (Yahoo) to access the same mail accounts I access with Outlook Express, when I'm traveling without my computer. I instruct Yahoo to leave the messages on the server so that when I can get to my computer, I can still get all the messages into my Outlook Express folder.
I can merge the message folders from Outlook Express on various computers, which I do every week since I'm not always accessing my mail from the same computer. This allows me to keep all my messages on one computer.
Web-based mail packages have severely limited message storage. I've probably got 300MB in message history since I started using the Internet and it is probably my most valuable and frequently used reference source. It is fully searchable using more search criteria options than one would ever need.
Finally, the response time blows away any web based e-mail (because everything is on your hard drive, including the software), I don't have to be connected to the internet to look up historical e-mail. I can read all my e-mail off-line, and I can compose all my e-mail off-line. When I connect, I can send all my pre-prepared outbound e-mail with a single click.
I hope that helps.
Web based E-mail is for those that have very simple E-mail needs, and as a way to get e-mail when on the road. Power users need something more. Outlook Express is the best package I've found on the market.
Outlook Express is a Windows program. That distinction compared to web based E-mail makes a big difference because you get drag-and-drop, various import/export features, and copy/paste of just about anything (as opposed to web based E-mail which only support text copy-paste).
Messages can be formatted as any HTML document can, including using different fonts, type sizes, and bold/underline/italics.
Outlook Express allows the user to access multiple different E-mail accounts in a single pass (including Yahoo and Hotmail accounts) and allows the user to select who he wants to "be" (reply E-mail) for each reply. Users can even select which SMTP mail server will be used to send various e-mails.
Another good feature is the automation. I've got mine set up so when that nasty virus comes in, the program autmatically drops it into a folder I labeled "virus". You can tell Outlook Express to take various actions (move to folder, reply with a certain message, delete, copy it, hightlight the message, flag it, mark it as read, mark it as watched or ignored, stop processing more rules, do not download from server, delete it from the server, ...) based on various criteria (from contains, subject contains, to contains, message body contains, is marked as priority, size, has an attachment, is secure, ...
OE also has an extensive contact list with about 100 different fields available and totally searchable, a large variety of customizable views a web based e-mail could never hope to match, a newsreader with all the features of the mail handling, and so much more.
If you are running the lastest version of Outlook Express (free with Internet Explorer, which is also free), you cannot catch a virus just by opening and reading an E-mail. Just don't click on executable attachments you don't know for sure are virus free.
I use web-based e-mail (Yahoo) to access the same mail accounts I access with Outlook Express, when I'm traveling without my computer. I instruct Yahoo to leave the messages on the server so that when I can get to my computer, I can still get all the messages into my Outlook Express folder.
I can merge the message folders from Outlook Express on various computers, which I do every week since I'm not always accessing my mail from the same computer. This allows me to keep all my messages on one computer.
Web-based mail packages have severely limited message storage. I've probably got 300MB in message history since I started using the Internet and it is probably my most valuable and frequently used reference source. It is fully searchable using more search criteria options than one would ever need.
Finally, the response time blows away any web based e-mail (because everything is on your hard drive, including the software), I don't have to be connected to the internet to look up historical e-mail. I can read all my e-mail off-line, and I can compose all my e-mail off-line. When I connect, I can send all my pre-prepared outbound e-mail with a single click.
I hope that helps.
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Ray J
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Re: Why Outlook Express vs. Web mail
Ok, thanks for the well thought out response. Obviously you are as you said a "power user". To me it's just one more program to maintain. Considering that a plethora of virus's exploit the holes in OE, I'd rather not run the program where it has access to my hard drive, or my personal address book. Also I disdain the proliferation of bloated software. ( on the other hand where would we be without windows ? )
I'm not a heavy mail user so some content I save away to disk but the majority gets deep-sixed quickly.
OE comes standard on virtually every computer sold. If the buyer is not getting the MS Office suite they should at minimum use it as a bargaining chip. ( I am a fan of WORD and Excel ).
As I said I take standard precautions like handling unknown mail carefully.
Hotmail does virus-checking and I would think that they would do a better job at maintaining virus updates than I would. All mail in question can just sit on their server not mine.
respectfully,
Ray
Ok, thanks for the well thought out response. Obviously you are as you said a "power user". To me it's just one more program to maintain. Considering that a plethora of virus's exploit the holes in OE, I'd rather not run the program where it has access to my hard drive, or my personal address book. Also I disdain the proliferation of bloated software. ( on the other hand where would we be without windows ? )
I'm not a heavy mail user so some content I save away to disk but the majority gets deep-sixed quickly.
OE comes standard on virtually every computer sold. If the buyer is not getting the MS Office suite they should at minimum use it as a bargaining chip. ( I am a fan of WORD and Excel ).
As I said I take standard precautions like handling unknown mail carefully.
Hotmail does virus-checking and I would think that they would do a better job at maintaining virus updates than I would. All mail in question can just sit on their server not mine.
respectfully,
Ray
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hillbilly
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Hey REy?? DR knockoffs?? Wazzzzup?
hey rey, you need stuff you get in touch wit me, hear?? No friggin' knockoffs...
O&C?
HB
hey rey, you need stuff you get in touch wit me, hear?? No friggin' knockoffs...
O&C?
HB
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hillbilly
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Ralph
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some good points
Most of what you said would also be true of other email programs. I use NetScape, others use Eudora etc etc etc.
Outlook is more vulnerable to helping "pass along" the viruses. If you were enough of a newbie to click on one of the .bat attachments, the virus would be sent to all in your address book. Not so with Eudora or Netscape.
There are a bunch of options, and most have their own strengths. I alos have a yahoo acount for travel.
Most of what you said would also be true of other email programs. I use NetScape, others use Eudora etc etc etc.
Outlook is more vulnerable to helping "pass along" the viruses. If you were enough of a newbie to click on one of the .bat attachments, the virus would be sent to all in your address book. Not so with Eudora or Netscape.
There are a bunch of options, and most have their own strengths. I alos have a yahoo acount for travel.
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Jim Hinsch
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Re: some good points
Outlook? No. I'm talking about Outlook Express. Outlook doesn't have any of the multi-account or rules handling features of Outlook Express, and has very limited import and export compared to Outlook Express.
Outlook and Outlook Express are only more vulnerable, in that they are so popular that virus writers tend to code specifically for these software products, just as Windows is more vulnerable than Linux - not because of any flaws, but because more viruses are written to specifically to affect them.
I get about 75-100 E-mails a day, do not run a virus checker, and have only caught a virus once (got it because I had failed to install the latest security patch and I got rid of it the next day).
Outlook? No. I'm talking about Outlook Express. Outlook doesn't have any of the multi-account or rules handling features of Outlook Express, and has very limited import and export compared to Outlook Express.
Outlook and Outlook Express are only more vulnerable, in that they are so popular that virus writers tend to code specifically for these software products, just as Windows is more vulnerable than Linux - not because of any flaws, but because more viruses are written to specifically to affect them.
I get about 75-100 E-mails a day, do not run a virus checker, and have only caught a virus once (got it because I had failed to install the latest security patch and I got rid of it the next day).
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Rafael
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Re: some good points
Agreed. Nowadays most viruses are spread through Outlook express etc. I receive a few hundred emails a day on several different acounts, and have never used a Virus protection program. I have never caught a virus. . . . .ever.
Now, I need to teach my wife how not to catch one!
Agreed. Nowadays most viruses are spread through Outlook express etc. I receive a few hundred emails a day on several different acounts, and have never used a Virus protection program. I have never caught a virus. . . . .ever.
Now, I need to teach my wife how not to catch one!
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Ali
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Ray J
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Re: Hey REy?? DR knockoffs?? Wazzzzup?
Thanks HB.
I have a "Cigar Factory Outlet" in my own hometown.
I succumbed to the temptation and bought some "El Faro" Coronas, 25 for $29.99.
Almost as good as the Counterfeit Cohibas I got in SD.
Ray
Thanks HB.
I have a "Cigar Factory Outlet" in my own hometown.
I succumbed to the temptation and bought some "El Faro" Coronas, 25 for $29.99.
Almost as good as the Counterfeit Cohibas I got in SD.
Ray
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Ray J
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Re: some good points:Thanks for all responses
I downloaded a free trial of McAphee from Tucows.com tonight.
It installed and ran very well. Of course it showed no virus's. I doubt it was up-to-date for Code Red though.
I downloaded a free trial of McAphee from Tucows.com tonight.
It installed and ran very well. Of course it showed no virus's. I doubt it was up-to-date for Code Red though.
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