Disputing misperceptions on the Constitutional Court Ruling 168-13

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The statement below was presented by the Dominican government at the Permanent Organization of American States (OAS) Council hearing on Constitutional Court judgment 168-13 held in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday 29 October:

The Dominican Republic wishes to reaffirm before this forum its utmost respect for the Dominican Constitution, the law, and the separation of powers and constitutional bodies, as well as our disposition towards dialogue and openness with the international community.

Likewise, the GODR firmly respects the precepts set forth in the Inter-american Democratic Charter, especially those pertaining to Human Rights and fundamental freedoms as pivotal components of democracy.

President Danilo Medina has reiterated on numerous occasions his dedication to building the Dominican Republic’s international relations on the bases of collaboration amongst fellow countries, the search for alliances, solidarity and sustainable development. The respect for other states’ sovereign rights is at the heart of this decision.

We recognize before you that, as a developing country, we carry historical weaknesses which are a result of diverse and complex challenges. Nonetheless, we wish to assure you that we will not tire of our efforts to correct any situation that may have placed us below the institutional standards we strive to achieve.

On this occasion, we find ourselves before you in order to inform, with precision and objectivity, about ruling TC 168-13, the context in which it was issued and, most importantly, the next measures to be put in place to solve all existing situations of irregularity.

This ruling, about the issuing of identity documents to descendants of illegal foreigners, has its precedents in different elements of our legal framework that we wish to briefly summarize for you.

It should be recalled, first of all, that the Dominican Constitution has established since 1929 that Dominican citizenship can be acquired, among other means, by birth in its territory, with the exception of the children of those residing in the country in a diplomatic capacity or foreign residents in transit.

This disposition, relative to a qualified “ius solis” principle, has been ratified by the constitutional reforms of 1966, 2002 and 2010.

The Supreme Court of Justice has defined and reaffirmed the concept of a foreigner in transit, defining it as persons who do not possess a legal domicile in the country or who lack a legal residence permit. In 2005, the Supreme Court ruled on specific matter of the children of illegal immigrants, concluding that “if children born to parents legally in transit are precluded from automatically acquiring Dominican nationality, the children of those who cannot justify their legal entry, or remain in the country without a legal status, cannot benefit from a greater right”.

This legal precedence is at the root of the most recent decision of our Constitutional Tribunal (ruling TC/0168/13), which established that foreigners with no residence permit in the country must be equated with the category of foreigners in transit, under which their children are not eligible for Dominican citizenship, even though they were born in Dominican territory.

Therefore, and in accordance with the laws of the Dominican Republic, the Government and all institutions of the Dominican State abide by this ruling and will continue to act with respect towards institutional principles.

According to article 184 of the Constitution of the Dominican Republic: “The decisions of this Tribunal are definitive and irrevocable and act as binding precedents for all public powers and bodies of the State”.

The Constitutional Tribunal, through its ruling, has required that the State fulfill a series of proceedings so that those being affected can regulate their status as briefly as possible.

Specifically, it orders:

That the Dominican Central Electoral Board (JCE), within 12 to 24 months, audit the Civil Registry from 1929 to 2007, to produce a list therein of all recorded foreigners and of all foreigners irregularly recorded, to create special books that register the births for this period year by year, and to transcribes the list of those registered irregularly.

In addition, it orders the JCE to forward the list of irregularly registered foreigners to the Ministry of Interior and Police upon completion of the afore-mentioned audit.

Likewise, it establishes that those born of non-resident foreigners whose births have been recorded in the Dominican Civil Registry should have access to their birth certificates and the necessary documentation. Equally, that cases where their annulment is appropriate be referred to the competent courts in accordance with due process.

The ruling does not affect all children of migrants born in the country. Children with at least one legally-resident parent were and remain eligible for Dominican nationality. The numbers involved, therefore, are a fraction of the alarmist estimates. Between 2008-13, the JCE submitted 16,945 birth certificates for evaluation to the Directorate of Inspectorate, and only 1,088 (6%) were suspended provisionally due to duplicity, impersonation and other inconsistencies. Nor are the efforts of the JCE to eradicate irregularities in the civil registry limited to immigration-related violations. Between 2007-13, the JCE cancelled 42,015 ID cards requests and only 410 (1%) were canceled because of invalid claims to Dominican nationality. At any rate, the definitive dimension of this situation is currently being quantified.

Finally, and in accordance with Law 285-04, the ruling establishes the compliance with the implementation of a national regularization plan for illegal foreigners ordered by Immigration Law 285-04 of August 15, 2004, as well as a general report of said plan.

The Government of the Dominican Republic has decided to take this ruling as the perfect opportunity to act, decisively and quickly, on a matter which has been relegated for years.
We firmly intend that the current context will allow us to end years of lack of clarity and irregularities that enabled unacceptable situations of injustice and arbitrariness.
We will therefore begin, over the next few weeks, a plan that will establish clear and expedited procedures to address each and every existing situation of irregularity and each different individual and particular case.
To carry out this process, we have undertaken different actions. Specifically, the National Migration Council announced last week:
-That the Central Electoral Board will present, within 30 days, a report detailing the impact of the ruling in terms of foreigners recorded in the civil registry, both as regular or irregular migrants.
-That the National Migration Council will develop, within 60 days, the Regularization Plan for Foreigners.
-That the National Migration Institute will be immediately established and its director appointed.
In addition, work has begun on establishing a single-window system to give an expedited answer to these cases.
We would like to emphasize that the Dominican State will not allow any violation of fundamental rights of persons under jurisdiction of its laws, neither as the result of this ruling or any other.
To ensure that this is so, these rights will be effectively protected, in a way that guarantees respect for due process at all times.
Moreover, to optimize results, we are willing to receive the support of countries and international organizations that would like to assist us in this task.
Ladies and gentlemen,
Our government has always advocated and developed relationships based on profound respect and fraternity with fellow nations, and, very particularly, with the Republic of Haiti.
As you know, the history of the Dominican Republic is inextricably linked with that of our neighboring country Haiti, and will always remains so. For evident geographical reasons, but also because of strong historical, cultural, and social connections.
Therefore, the general framework of Dominican-Haitian relations cannot be other than that of two nations determined to resolve common issues and identify ways to increase cooperation, expand ties and reach mutually-beneficial agreements. The World Bank, in its report from last year entitled “Haiti and the Dominican Republic: More than the sum of its parts”, a study of bilateral relations between our countries, pointed out:
“The Dominican Republic and the Republic of Haiti have experienced a rapprochement in the last few years, evident in the area of cooperation in emergency situations, the proliferation of commercial exchanges and the relaunch of activity within the Dominican-Haitian Bilateral Mixed Commission.”
Proof of our commitment were the unprecedented acts of solidarity undertaken by the Dominican people in the face of the catastrophe suffered by Haiti in 2010.
But it is also evident in the efforts of President Medina to encourage international solidarity with Haiti; in the international fora that we share; our important commercial relations; the relaunch of the bilateral mixed commission between the countries; the offer made by the Dominican Republic to cooperate with the efforts by the OAS to provide Haitians with identity documents; as well as in the preferential agreements that exist in different areas.
It is necessary to highlight that this population, as well as any other person legally or illegally resident in the Dominican Republic, has the same access as any national to health, pre-university education and labor courts without the need to present any identity document. To illustrate this reality we will provide you with just a few figures. In our public hospitals, 13% of births are to Haitian mothers. For this purpose, the Dominican State spends approximately 3,000 million pesos (US$69.8 million) every year. Taking also into account that in some border-area hospitals over 50% of births are to Haitian mothers (the global cost for the Dominican Republic of the immigrant population represents 18% of the national health budget), Dominican authorities have implemented a system to provide non-resident mothers with a proof of birth to facilitate the appropriate registration with their consular authorities or in their country of birth.
In the same manner, we must recognize that in terms of the labor market, the reality is that migrants often face the same challenges as a significant proportion of Dominicans. Let us not forget that the Dominican Republic still has 34% of its population living under the poverty line.
We must also point out that at present 15,000 Haitians are studying in Dominican universities, paying the same fees as Dominican citizens and having equal access to scholarships, in contrast with students from other nationalities.
In summary, with these data we would like to convey that, even with the limitations inherent to a country that faces important economic restrictions, we can say, without boast, that the Dominican State does everything within its power to treat all men and women who reside in its territory with dignity and in a manner which respects their human rights.
However, and despite these displays of openness and respect, we have received from the authorities of the neighboring country an unjustifiably hostile response, that does not convey reciprocity with the conciliatory and collaborative attitude of the Dominican Government. This response, incomprehensible to us, generates unnecessary tensions.
We trust that these informations will help us frame more precisely and objectively the reality faced by both countries, as well as the context in which the ruling by the Dominican Constitutional Tribunal has taken place and the regularization plan for foreigners begun.
We face a unique opportunity to advance in the implementation of our immigration policy and institutional strengthening and we are committed to taking this historic step.
We call on the Inter-American system to support us in this efforts, with which we wish to give a definitive, coherent and humanitarian answer that provides certainty and trust to all men, women and children who reside in our country.
 
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Dolores1

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Government responds to NYTimes article

Dominican ambassador in Washington, D.C. has responded to the recent article in the New York Times on the Constitutional ruling on Dominican nationality and regularization of foreigners.

Says Anibal de Castro:

Unlike the United States, the Dominican Republic does not grant citizenship to all those born within its jurisdiction. The Constitutional Tribunal?s ruling this year merely confirms previous court rulings and efforts by the authorities to improve compliance.

The Dominican Republic has a legitimate interest in regulating immigration and having clear rules for acquisition of citizenship. It should not be pressured by outside actors and other countries to implement measures contrary to its own Constitution and that would be unacceptable to most other nations facing similar immigration pressures.

The Dominican government is fully aware of the plight of the children of illegal Haitian migrants born in the country who lack identity documents. This does not, however, render them stateless. As your article says, Haiti?s Constitution bestows citizenship on any person born of Haitian parents anywhere in the world.

A key component of the Constitutional Tribunal?s ruling was a mandate to provide people affected with temporary residence permits until a regularization plan is in place. These allow them to remain and work in the country.

Each case will be carefully examined and subject to judicial due process. Speculation about mass deportations that I have heard is therefore baseless.

The Dominican Republic and Haiti may have a fractious history. Recent events, including the solidarity shown by Dominican society after the earthquake of 2010, have shown, however, that for the most part the countries are looking to the future, engaged in the hard task of finding joint solutions to common challenges.

AN?BAL DE CASTRO
Ambassador of the Dominican Republic
Washington, Oct. 28, 2013

See the entire article and the response at:


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/opinion/two-versions-of-a-dominican-tale.html?ref=opinion&_r=1&
 

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The guy who wrote THAT, used to work for "Obama"!!!!!
He wrote the "Affordable Health Care Act", better known as "Obama Care"!!!
I remember when president "Balaguer" wrote in all the newspapers, that,"There is no prejudice by any Dominican towards Haitians"!!! :cheeky::cheeky::cheeky::cheeky::cheeky:
"WTF"????????????????????
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you know what it reminds me of? this good old joke about a woman who walks on her husband screwing a ho on their bed. and then he says: honey, IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK!
please. the world is not stupid. we know exactly what it all means. but as always, a dominican government s**ts in a waffle cone and tells us it's soft serve.
 

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No need to post anything and try to clarify Dolores. The Dominican gov., press and everyone else keeps changing the law as they see it.

What's new?

Change reality into what ever makes you popular and ...................... rich.

It has nothing to do with reality other then those that take advantage and rape everyone else.
 

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Nobel Prize winner (literature) Mario Vargas Llosa published a critique of the Constitutional Court ruling in El Pais of Spain.
Los parias del Caribe | Opini?n | EL PA?S

Below is the response sent by the two Dominican ambassadors to UK and Spain to the newspaper:


To: defensor@elpais.es


Estimado Se?or Delcl?s:

El d?a de ayer "El Pa?s" public? el ?ltimo art?culo de Don Mario Vargas Llosa, titulado "Los Parias del Caribe", el cual hemos le?do con mucha atenci?n, uno de nosotros en Londres y otro en Madrid.

Dicho art?culo ven?a acompa?ado de una ilustraci?n que deja entrever una bandera nazi con la cruz gamada debajo del territorio nacional de la Rep?blica Dominicana:

Los parias del Caribe | Opini?n | EL PA?S

Nos imaginamos que tal distorsi?n de la imagen de nuestro pa?s surge de los desafortunados ep?tetos utilizados por Don Mario respecto de la sentencia TC/0168/13 promulgada por el Tribunal Constitucional dominicano el pasado 23 de septiembre, en virtud de la cual se ha comenzado a regularizar el estatus de los inmigrantes indocumentados y su descendencia, tema que ha estado pendiente desde 1929.

Al criticar la sentencia y sus implicaciones, Don Mario acusa a nuestro pa?s de colocar a esos inmigrantes en situaci?n de desnacionalizaci?n y apatridia y de posiblemente discriminarlos en el acceso a los servicios de educaci?n y salud, lo cual nunca ha sido ni ser? el caso en la Rep?blica Dominicana.

Tal acusaci?n pasa por alto la presencia masiva de hijos de inmigrantes indocumentados en nuestras escuelas y universidades, los nacimientos de un hijo extranjero por cada cinco ni?os tra?dos al mundo en nuestros hospitales o el tratamiento no discriminatorio a los trabajadores extranjeros—carentes o no de documentaci?n—en los tribunales laborales.

Se olvida, tambi?n, que luego del proceso de naturalizaci?n cualquier persona podr? optar por la nacionalidad dominicana, como ya ha sido el caso de los que han comenzado a acogerse a dicho proceso:

?Qui?n es la primera descendiente de haitianos que acoge regularizaci?n de la JCE?

Y, penosamente, se contradicen las propias palabras que con sus lectores compartiera Don Mario en las mismas p?ginas de "El Pa?s" hace ya casi 15 a?os, en su siempre recordado art?culo "La Frontera", copia del cual anexamos al presente mensaje de correo electr?nico.

A?n cayendo en el error—nos imaginamos que por desinformaci?n, ya que otra cosa ser?a imposible pensar de alguien que ha sido tan generosamente acogido en nuestro pa?s—defenderemos ac?rrimamente el derecho de Don Mario a escribir lo que quiera en la forma en que ?l as? lo considere.

Lo que de ninguna manera podemos aceptar es que "El Pa?s" utilice ilustraciones como la que acompa?a el art?culo de Don Mario, m?xime cuando, al igual que nuestro pa?s, m?s de dos tercios de la membres?a de la ONU no confiere autom?ticamente la nacionalidad en base al Jus Soli a los hijos de inmigrantes indocumentados. Esto es as? en Per?—pa?s de origen de Don Mario—y en Espa?a—donde existe jurisprudencia al respecto denegando la nacionalidad espa?ola a hijos de inmigrantes indocumentados dominicanos.

Le anexamos copia de la Sentencia mencionada, donde se hace referencia al precedente espa?ol antes citado, as? como el reglamento de la ley de nacionalidad peruana, para su consideraci?n y fines pertinentes.

Mucho le agradeceremos disponer la remoci?n inmediata de la ilustraci?n utilizada, acompa?ando dicha remoci?n del desagravio que concomitantemente le corresponde a nuestro pa?s, pues de mantenerse—para ser consistentes—habr?a que extender la misma cruz gamada hacia todo aquel pa?s que al d?a de hoy no confiere la nacionalidad autom?ticamente en base al Jus Soli, extensi?n que ser?a a?n m?s improcedente.

Sin otro particular, nos despedimos de usted, quedando a sus ?rdenes,

Muy atentamente,


Embajador Federico Alberto Cuello Camilo, Ph. D.
Embajada de la Rep?blica Dominicana en el Reino Unido de Gran Breta?a e Irlanda del Norte.
139 Inverness Terrace, W2 6JF Londres, Reino Unido.
Tel.: +44 207 727 7091 • Fax: +44 207 727 3693


Embajador C?sar Medina Abreu
Embajada de la Rep?blica Dominicana ante el Reino de Espa?a.
Paseo de la Castellana, 30, 28046 Madrid, Espa?a
Tel.:+34 914 26 06 21 • Fax: +34 914 35 81 39
 

Dolores1

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No need to post anything and try to clarify Dolores. The Dominican gov., press and everyone else keeps changing the law as they see it.

What's new?

Change reality into what ever makes you popular and ...................... rich.

It has nothing to do with reality other then those that take advantage and rape everyone else.

I am not clarifying, I am posting the exact English version of the government that can be of interest to readers. I would have linked to it, but I couldn't find it online. So this serves as the link.

Actually, if you think about it, this decision, and that the Medina administration is backing the decision of the Constitutional Court, is one that is everything but seeking popularity. I would think it is very politically costly to the President and the party. Giving Dominican cedulas to thousands of Haitians adds votes and has added votes over the years. So it would have been more politically profitable for the Medina administration to leave things as they were, and not take a stand.

I think time will tell that this is one of the most courageous measures to fight extreme poverty in the country that has been taken. There are hundreds of thousands of Haitians without paperwork here that are part of the underclass. To give them residency through the fast track procedure makes them legitimate and able to move ahead in society at a faster pace. It puts a stop to the chain of extreme poverty for their children that is caused by not having an identity.

The Medina government has taken two other decisions to benefit extreme poverty: the national literacy plan that is reaching out to around 800,000 that can't read or write, including hundreds of thousands of Haitians that migrated as adults and never learned to read and write in Haiti.

A third decision is that which orders that no child born in a public Dominican public hospital leave without an identity number. This stops the problem at its roots. In this country for decades Haitians regardless of whether they are illegal or not have had about the same benefits as Dominicans. But those that don't have identity papers are the underclass and this measure of en masse regularizing of status is a major step to help people move up from extreme poverty.
 

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Nobel Prize winner (literature) Mario Vargas Llosa published a critique of the Constitutional Court ruling in El Pais of Spain.
Los parias del Caribe | Opini?n | EL PA?S

Below is the response sent by the two Dominican ambassadors to UK and Spain to the newspaper:


To: defensor@elpais.es


Estimado Se?or Delcl?s:

El d?a de ayer "El Pa?s" public? el ?ltimo art?culo de Don Mario Vargas Llosa, titulado "Los Parias del Caribe", el cual hemos le?do con mucha atenci?n, uno de nosotros en Londres y otro en Madrid.

Dicho art?culo ven?a acompa?ado de una ilustraci?n que deja entrever una bandera nazi con la cruz gamada debajo del territorio nacional de la Rep?blica Dominicana:

Los parias del Caribe | Opini?n | EL PA?S

Nos imaginamos que tal distorsi?n de la imagen de nuestro pa?s surge de los desafortunados ep?tetos utilizados por Don Mario respecto de la sentencia TC/0168/13 promulgada por el Tribunal Constitucional dominicano el pasado 23 de septiembre, en virtud de la cual se ha comenzado a regularizar el estatus de los inmigrantes indocumentados y su descendencia, tema que ha estado pendiente desde 1929.

Al criticar la sentencia y sus implicaciones, Don Mario acusa a nuestro pa?s de colocar a esos inmigrantes en situaci?n de desnacionalizaci?n y apatridia y de posiblemente discriminarlos en el acceso a los servicios de educaci?n y salud, lo cual nunca ha sido ni ser? el caso en la Rep?blica Dominicana.

Tal acusaci?n pasa por alto la presencia masiva de hijos de inmigrantes indocumentados en nuestras escuelas y universidades, los nacimientos de un hijo extranjero por cada cinco ni?os tra?dos al mundo en nuestros hospitales o el tratamiento no discriminatorio a los trabajadores extranjeros—carentes o no de documentaci?n—en los tribunales laborales.

Se olvida, tambi?n, que luego del proceso de naturalizaci?n cualquier persona podr? optar por la nacionalidad dominicana, como ya ha sido el caso de los que han comenzado a acogerse a dicho proceso:

?Qui?n es la primera descendiente de haitianos que acoge regularizaci?n de la JCE?

Y, penosamente, se contradicen las propias palabras que con sus lectores compartiera Don Mario en las mismas p?ginas de "El Pa?s" hace ya casi 15 a?os, en su siempre recordado art?culo "La Frontera", copia del cual anexamos al presente mensaje de correo electr?nico.

A?n cayendo en el error—nos imaginamos que por desinformaci?n, ya que otra cosa ser?a imposible pensar de alguien que ha sido tan generosamente acogido en nuestro pa?s—defenderemos ac?rrimamente el derecho de Don Mario a escribir lo que quiera en la forma en que ?l as? lo considere.

Lo que de ninguna manera podemos aceptar es que "El Pa?s" utilice ilustraciones como la que acompa?a el art?culo de Don Mario, m?xime cuando, al igual que nuestro pa?s, m?s de dos tercios de la membres?a de la ONU no confiere autom?ticamente la nacionalidad en base al Jus Soli a los hijos de inmigrantes indocumentados. Esto es as? en Per?—pa?s de origen de Don Mario—y en Espa?a—donde existe jurisprudencia al respecto denegando la nacionalidad espa?ola a hijos de inmigrantes indocumentados dominicanos.

Le anexamos copia de la Sentencia mencionada, donde se hace referencia al precedente espa?ol antes citado, as? como el reglamento de la ley de nacionalidad peruana, para su consideraci?n y fines pertinentes.

Mucho le agradeceremos disponer la remoci?n inmediata de la ilustraci?n utilizada, acompa?ando dicha remoci?n del desagravio que concomitantemente le corresponde a nuestro pa?s, pues de mantenerse—para ser consistentes—habr?a que extender la misma cruz gamada hacia todo aquel pa?s que al d?a de hoy no confiere la nacionalidad autom?ticamente en base al Jus Soli, extensi?n que ser?a a?n m?s improcedente.

Sin otro particular, nos despedimos de usted, quedando a sus ?rdenes,

Muy atentamente,


Embajador Federico Alberto Cuello Camilo, Ph. D.
Embajada de la Rep?blica Dominicana en el Reino Unido de Gran Breta?a e Irlanda del Norte.
139 Inverness Terrace, W2 6JF Londres, Reino Unido.
Tel.: +44 207 727 7091 • Fax: +44 207 727 3693


Embajador C?sar Medina Abreu
Embajada de la Rep?blica Dominicana ante el Reino de Espa?a.
Paseo de la Castellana, 30, 28046 Madrid, Espa?a
Tel.:+34 914 26 06 21 • Fax: +34 914 35 81 39


At one of their rallies a few days ago, they claimed that Mario Vargas Llosa took money (bribe) in order to pen his criticism of the Tribunal Constitution. They (protesters) even called to have his "Order of Excellency Award" given to him by Fernandez, in 2010, revoked based on his dissent of the ruling.

Mr. Llosa, possibly speaking, is the most prolific writer from Latin America today. Besides being an author of numerous books, he's also a humanitarian, and well respected. He criticizes dictators, presidents, prime ministers, economic decisions, and judicial.

I stand with Mr. Llosa: for even I am ostracized as being "ProHaitian"; whatever that mean. I am pro-justice, but that word is laborious for the minions to utter. :))
 

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Actually, if you think about it, this decision, and that the Medina administration is backing the decision of the Constitutional Court, is one that is everything but seeking popularity. I would think it is very politically costly to the President and the party. Giving Dominican cedulas to thousands of Haitians adds votes and has added votes over the years. So it would have been more politically profitable for the Medina administration to leave things as they were, and not take a stand.

the state of affairs of today suggest dominicans do not like the idea of giving citizenship and cedulas to those of haitian origin. so when the government is losing POTENTIAL haitian-dominican votes they are gaining ACTUAL votes of dominicans who approve of this decision.
 

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I think there's also a fear that, if these documents were provided, there's a perception that the Dominicans, of Haitian descent, would vote PRD.
 

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nothing will help PRD now. this is a rotten carcass ripped apart by maggots.
 
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It's very possible Vargas Llosa took money, why not? Everybody likes money, ten years ago he wrote an article against Haitians in DR. Now he writes one in their favor, ok....And the article is accompanied with an illustration of a swastika, then he keeps the awards given to him?
Oh that's right he's a noble peace prize winner?
So is Mr. Peace, love and change Obama....
How DELITE-FUL-E of......
 

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nothing will help PRD now. this is a rotten carcass ripped apart by maggots.

Danilo would have to make a very mediocre gov., or a system shattering crisis would need to take place, in order for the perredeista goons to make it. And even then, I'd bet my money on a reformista resurrection rather than a PRD one, specially if the reformista candidate gets to be Juan Ramon Gomez Diaz (the owner of Telemicro, Digital 15 and Aster among others).
 

delite

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It's very possible Vargas Llosa took money, why not? Everybody likes money, ten years ago he wrote an article against Haitians in DR. Now he writes one in their favor, ok....And the article is accompanied with an illustration of a swastika, then he keeps the awards given to him?
Oh that's right he's a noble peace prize winner?
So is Mr. Peace, love and change Obama....
How DELITE-FUL-E of......

I like money just like you, but I wouldn't sell my soul to the devil. Mario Llosa is well respected worldwide! This futile attempt to besmirch his reputation is just a feeble attempt from those who cannot agree to disagree.
I would implore him to return that honor bestowed to him by the ex-president Fernandez, and notify the world again, that the Republic is a hypocritical state where an award is given for full allegiance only.

This is what I feared all along. This egregious decision cannot, and will never have my support! I know, I know, who the hell am I right? It's these voices of dissent that would be your 1,000 cuts to defeat. It's about time the DR live up to established international laws and values.

Deport every damn illegal Haitian, however, don't punish your country folks who were born and bred there! :))
 

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I think the ambassador is joking! I understand that DR wants to regulate IMMIGRATION. But how in the world can you denationalize a bunch of DOMINICANS born in your own country, for the simple their parents were illegals? They were born DOMINICANS and now you are going to tell me that YOU ARE going to DOWNGRADE THEM AS SIMPLE RESIDENTS? That is purely NONSENSICAL AND ILLEGAL! THAt is ETHNIC CLEANSING!
STUPID AND IDIOTIC AT BEST
 

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jkc, that's what the government specializes in here!
They can put all the "Lipstick" they want to on the "WE Dominicans Love our Haitian Brothers & Sisters", "PIG",but it always has been, and always will be a "Lying PIG"!
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The guy who wrote THAT, used to work for "Obama"!!!!!
He wrote the "Affordable Health Care Act", better known as "Obama Care"!!!
I remember when president "Balaguer" wrote in all the newspapers, that,"There is no prejudice by any Dominican towards Haitians"!!! :cheeky::cheeky::cheeky::cheeky::cheeky:
"WTF"????????????????????
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you mean the same Balaguer who referred to black people as "vegetable species"?
 
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Eggplants, har de har har, What do self hating boricua's call them Criss? Maybe you should go back to the hospital CC, and get committed! Tu ta loko!!!

Vargas already sold his soul plenty of times, money is good, and a LOTTA MONEY, makes selling your soul even better and easier. What is he going to accuse DR of next Book burnings, forced sterilizations, death camps?
He's part of an international smear campaign, sponsored by the pro Haitian NGO's.

His son who lives here is an arrogant individual who thinks he is the viceroy in a foreign colony, I don't think so.

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