Dominicans Presidents Of Haitian origin

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Dominicans Presidents Of Haitian origin

The antagonism which opposes the Dominican Republic to Haiti has never been able to break the bonds of ancestry who were enrolled in the annals of the history of these two peninsulas . They are initially underestimated by Dominican historians often take an oath of allegiance to the anti- Haitianism , an old separatist doctrine renewed and nourished by the vindictive government of Pedro Santana , Ulysses Heureaux , Raphael Trujillo, Joaquin Balaguer and even the polluted leftist Leonel Fernandez. These historians of the East rather want a name in the demonization of the Haitian presence in neighboring territory , describing the Haitian daily as subhuman . In this row of pens biased , we find the Frank Moya Pons, Roberto Cassa Bernardo Pichardo and Bernardo Vega , to name one iota.

In contrast, some Haitian historians , inflated egos and perhaps for reasons of size or ignorance , have avoided writing this beautiful piece of history. These Haitian writers recount only border skirmishes as Campaign Eastern heinous massacre of October 1937 and disputes over fences adjoining the two republics. Indeed , only the dark side of the history of the island is known. These are destructive ideals that survived the years. While nothing in the world can overcome this historical truth : four presidents are Dominicans of Haitian origin.

Pedro Santana

Born in Hinche , June 29, 1801 , a Haitian family of Spanish descent . The revolution of 1804 forced his parents into exile in the Dominican Republic and settled in the Cibao in 1805. There, they continue to engage in farming they were already in Haiti because they had lost several cattle herds during the revolutionary period. Pedro Santana never forget this loss and wanting revenge. His native language , Creole , he was placed in command of Battalion - South Dominican Army he joined immediately. Later became the first constitutional President of the new republic in 1844 , Santana led with an iron fist and fought all Haitian attempt to reoccupy the east of the island.

Ulysses Heureaux

Born in Puerto Plata, October 21, 1845 , a Haitian father , Dassas " Desse " Heureaux who had also fled the Haitian Revolution of 1804. Dassas was the son of a black slave and a white planter . Josefa Lebert , the mother of Ulysses Heureaux was the island of Saint Thomas . Heureaux goddess had not taken care of little Ulysse ( Lili ) . To this end, he had a miserable childhood and rural . In 1863, when anti -American Gregorio Luperon stormed the barracks to return to Puerto Plata Dominican sovereignty stride by Uncle Sam, he was a member enrollees street and took an active part . On 1 September 1882, he became president. Lili was a cr?olophone feigned . There was no translator when needed strategic military agreements signed with President Florvil Hyppolite in 1891.

Raphael Leonidas Trujillo

Trujillo was the legitimate son of Jose Trujillo Valdez Dominican and Haitian Julia Molina Chevalier. He was born on October 24, 1891 in San Cristobal . The Knights took exile in neighboring following the turbulence between the Liberals and National that rocked Haiti , after the assassination of President Sylvain Salnave territory in 1869 . Moreover, the general Victorin Knight , an influential member of this family, was Minister of War and Navy Government Salnave of 6 September 1869 to 6 November 1869. Trujillo 's mother had explained the incidents that had known his ancestors in Haiti . In particular, the nationalization and redistribution of their ill-gotten assets deemed by the Government of Solomon Lysius in 1879 . What had caused some of the hatred of the dictator against the Haitians, especially blacks. Trujillo became president in 1930. He massacred more than 30,000 Haitians in October 1937.

Joaquin Balaguer

Joaquin Balaguer was born of a father Porto Rican Joaquin Balaguer Lespier and a Dominican mother , Carmen Cecilia Ricardo , 1 September 1907, at Navarette , close to Santiago de los Caballeros. His maternal grandmother , Rosalia Heureaux was the daughter of President Ulysses Heureaux . Rosalia has lived much of his life out of sight, after the assassination of her father in 1899, in Moca . Joaquin Balaguer was president of the Dominican Republic from 1961 to 1996 under intermittent mandates. Graduate School of Policy Trujillo, he was best known before antihaitien Leonel Fernandez. He was also the advisor to the bloody massacre of 1937 , as Under Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs .

In other verbs, Haiti despised tirelessly in Dominican territory , nevertheless held the genesis of the story of the Ibero- African nation through gonads ancestors. Even if only the bad reputation is concerned , the law prevails inbreeding . Binational archives well debased Santana Heureaux , Trujillo and Balaguer who preferred to pass only for Spanish descendants.
 

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We are well aware of this, so what's the point?

If you feel that Dominicans are racist towards Haitians what are you
doing living in the DR? You need to move to Haiti and help out your
fellow Haitians.

You need to get another handle.We are aware of your agenda.
 

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we are well aware of this, so what's the point?

If you feel that dominicans are racist towards haitians what are you
doing living in the dr? You need to move to haiti and help out your
fellow haitians.

You need to get another handle.we are aware of your agenda.

send back all the haitians you like ! As a sovereign country it is your god given right !
But when are you going to finally understand that this whole debate is not about haitians
it's about dominicans of haitian decent !!!
They have as much rights to live in dr as any other dominican !
They can not go back to haiti , because they are not haitians ! They never immigrated from haiti to begin with ! It is completely illogical...
Most of them do not speak the language , understand the culture , have no family or knowledge of the country !
These people would become stateless and haiti as every right to refuse them, because there is no actual proof that they are of haitian descent !
If the dr applies the new law and haiti closes it's borders to this illegal immigration this situation would quickly turn into a refuge chaos !!!
When you spit in the sky it falls on your face ! Be careful what you wish for you might get it !!!
 

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This is about Haitians who were born in the DR and obtained citizenship under false documents!

The same happens in the US, it doesn't matter how long, 20 or 30 years if a citizen is found to
have obtained citizenship with falsified documents, they are stripped of their citizenship and
immediately deported thus having to avoid a stateless issue. The US doesn't give a crap if they don't understand the language or not.They deport illegals who have falsified documents every single day.

There will be no refuge chaos! They(descendants) did immigrate from Haiti years ago and entered the DR illegally to work.

Haiti does not provide Haitians with documentation, that's the issue that Haitians are having in the DR.

Haiti will accept them whether they like it or not. They are deported in groups not all at once and sent over the border.They are Haitians!

You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about!

Leave the DR alone to deal with the laws of the Constitution. The Constitution clearly defines
who is entiltled to Dominican citizenship. Just because a person is born in the DR does not
entitle the person to obtain a Dominican citizenship..
 
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"Most of them do not speak the language , understand the culture , have no family or knowledge of the country !"

Really!? no kidding...

ok, I see, the are just like 'most' dominicans born in NYC or any place outside DR
 

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This is about Haitians who were born in the DR and obtained citizenship under false documents!

The same happens in the US, it doesn't matter how long, 20 or 30 years if a citizen is found to
have obtained citizenship with falsified documents, they are stripped of their citizenship and
immediately deported thus having to avoid a stateless issue. The US doesn't give a crap if they don't understand the language or not.They deport illegals who have falsified documents every single day.

There will be no refuge chaos! They(descendants) did immigrate from Haiti years ago and entered the DR illegally to work.

Haiti does not provide Haitians with documentation, that's the issue that Haitians are having in the DR.

Haiti will accept them whether they like it or not. They are deported in groups not all at once and sent over the border.They are Haitians!

You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about!

Leave the DR alone to deal with the laws of the Constitution. The Constitution clearly defines
who is entiltled to Dominican citizenship. Just because a person is born in the DR does not
entitle the person to obtain a Dominican citizenship..

It's not hard at all to notice the difference between the majority of Haitians and Dominicans.
 

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It's not hard at all to notice the difference between the majority of Haitians and Dominicans.

You guys must be seriously kidding ????

Witch part of 1929 do you not understand ???

We are talking about 3rd and even 4th generation Dominicans here ???

Not only will they look Dominican , talk Dominican , they are DOMINICANS !!!

There is no where in the Haitian constitution or any constitution for that matter where it says you are Haitian because your great grand father is Haitian ?

For those Ex Dominicans to claim Haitian citizenship they would need documentation that there ancestry where Haitian.

How many of you have your great grand fathers birth certificates or passport ???

I don't have any ID regarding my own father , I doubt few of you do ...

Lets be serious here ...

It's a matter of national security , Haiti should not accept any undocumented foreigner solely on the bases that he is "dark skin" ?

They will all sit at the border in the no mans land and become refugees !

THEY ARE NOT HAITIANS AND THE DOMINICAN AS WITHDRAWN THERE CITIZENSHIP !!!

Are the authorities blind ? Do they even know what the International community is saying about them ?

This law as brought shame on this beautiful country.

Yes there is an "illegal immigration" problem that needs to be address . But the medicine by far out ways the disease.

You can not sacrifice your own, even a minority, for the benefit of the greater good !

Can you assure me that not even one Original Dominican will not be the victim of this racist law ???
 

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Listen, stop your rants already! There is nothing that you can say that will change what needs to be done!

The DR does not give a damn what the international community says and who gives a damn if the law will bring shame on the country because the DR will not change their laws to suit anyone.


What you need to do is move out of the DR and go back to Haiti.
 

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Listen, stop your rants already! There is nothing that you can say that will change what needs to be done!

The DR does not give a damn what the international community says and who gives a damn if the law will bring shame on the country because the DR will not change their laws to suit anyone.


What you need to do is move out of the DR and go back to Haiti.

Your ignorance will not stop me from speaking the truth .
You are only upset , because deep inside you know I am right and since you have no arguments you become frustrated and target me personally rather then the issue at hand.
I feel sorry for you my friend.
Love and peace my brother.

BTW , I am actually Dominican Jajajajajaja ;-)
 

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Your ignorance will not stop me from speaking the truth .
You are only upset , because deep inside you know I am right and since you have no arguments you become frustrated and target me personally rather then the issue at hand.
I feel sorry for you my friend.
Love and peace my brother.

BTW , I am actually Dominican Jajajajajaja ;-)

What exactly was your purpose in posting this. This information is not new; it's published in Dominican textbooks and taught in Dominican schools. None of it changes the reasons for Dominicans distrust of Haiti as a nation.
 

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BS! You are not Dominican! You are lying! I am just sick and tired of Haitians whining and running to the
UN and the NGO's when they can't get their way.

Haitians need to unite and cry out to the UN to help them liberate Haiti from the corrupt
leaders who are draining the country and stop being satisfied with handouts!
 

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BS! You are not Dominican! You are lying! I am just sick and tired of Haitians whining and running to the
UN and the NGO's when they can't get their way.

Haitians need to unite and cry out to the UN to help them liberate Haiti from the corrupt
leaders who are draining the country and stop being satisfied with handouts!


I will not stop reminding you that this is not about Haitians, but Dominicans of Haitians origins being denied there lawful rights .
We are not talking about the Haitians living illegally in DR . this is whole other issue.
We are talking about hard working , tax paying citizens, that the authorities are trying to deprive of there rights because there ancestors where Haitian .
When you begin to understand this , we can began to have a constructive discussion.
 

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What exactly was your purpose in posting this. This information is not new; it's published in Dominican textbooks and taught in Dominican schools. None of it changes the reasons for Dominicans distrust of Haiti as a nation.

Sorry Bob, wasn't sure every one was aware of this . I apologies for my ignorance , I myself only found out about this today . I found this article interesting and wanted to share it with other members of the forum . This is what forums are for ? Correct ? You are welcome to send a note to the moderator if you feel it is of no interest or out of place on this DR1-Haiti forum . Unless your true motive for posting this comment is that you find it offensive or humiliating to your Dominican heritage. If that is the case , I beg your pardon. the truth can sometimes be quite painful !
 

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I know exactly what I'm talking about. They are illegal Haitians not Dominicans! and they need to go back home!

Keep on trolling!
 

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I know exactly what I'm talking about. They are illegal Haitians not Dominicans! and they need to go back home!

Keep on trolling!

I did not write the constitution Buddy .

The Dominican law recognizes Jus soli . There are only two exceptions in the constitution that predates the amendment of 2010.

Children born to diplomats and foreigners "in transit"

It's the definition of "in transit" that steers this whole debate ...

It is ridiculous to consider someone that as been leaving in a country for over 80 years or so " in Transit "

Or someone that was recruited and authorized by the DR government to immigrate to work in a batey for several years
"in Transit "

And the DR law makers agreed that this definition did not apply to this category of people.
This is why the constitution was modified later in 2010 to include children of " Illegal Immigrant " .

Finally , this is why the recent decision by the Supreme court is immoral , arbitrary, racist and simply unacceptable !!!

This is about DOMINICANS like you and me and maybe even more so then us!!!
 

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You are not Dominican!! Just like you are lying! They too lied(Haitians) and falsified documents to pass themselves off as Dominicans!
 

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Sorry Bob, wasn't sure every one was aware of this . I apologies for my ignorance , I myself only found out about this today . I found this article interesting and wanted to share it with other members of the forum . This is what forums are for ? Correct ? You are welcome to send a note to the moderator if you feel it is of no interest or out of place on this DR1-Haiti forum . Unless your true motive for posting this comment is that you find it offensive or humiliating to your Dominican heritage. If that is the case , I beg your pardon. the truth can sometimes be quite painful !

If you were Dominican like you said you were instead of lying about your nationality you would know that. You have made a lot of assumptions about what is going to happen to the descendants of illegal Haitians in the DR. Dominicans are a compassionate and fair-minded people but they distrust Haiti and Haitians for very good reasons. The current invasion of illegal Haitians is peaceful but it's still an invasion. There will be very few , if any of these Haitian Dominicans forced to leave. They will be legalized with papers. What the final product is nobody knows but it's all with the rights of a sovereign country and really none of Haiti's business. Thy didn't care about these people for the past 90 years and they don't care about the more recent illegals either.
 
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You are not Dominican!! Just like you are lying! They too lied(Haitians) and falsified documents to pass themselves off as Dominicans!

I don't see why my personal nationality matters here , But for your info I am Canadian and naturalized Dominican, my wife is Haitian . This is probably why I have a non bias an open perspective about the matter .
 
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