Haitian births on the rise in the Dominican Republic

[Dolores]

While the Organization of American States deliberates this week in Washington, D.C. during its 53rd General Assembly how to help Haiti, the Dominican Republic continues to feel the impact of the collapsed social services in that country. Listin Diario reports on the increase in Haitian women who cross the border to give birth and those that are already living here that seek free birthing services at Dominican public hospitals.

Listin Diario reports that most Haitian women get to the hospital without prior check ups. The Hospital Docente Universitario Maternidad Nuestra Señora de la Altagracia and the Hospital Materno Infantil San Lorenzo de Los Mina, located in the National District and the municipality of Santo Domingo Este, respectively, are the maternity hospitals in Greater Santo Domingo to which the largest number of Haitian women come every day, most in advanced phase of...

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[JD Jones]

There was a video posted on Twitter yesterday of the huge lines of Haitian mothers waiting to be seen by a doctor.

 

[cavok]

Wow - breaking news! I would have never guessed.

 

[El Hijo de Manolo]

Always sucking up resources, never spend a dime.

 

[Ecoman1949]

And yet Abinader turns down a Canadian, no cost, no risk initiative to do something tangible about the DR-Haiti problem. Granted it won’t immediately stop the increase in the influx of pregnant Haitian women forced to come to the DR for medical services, however, it was a proposal that could have lead to solving some of the problems. His loss is Haiti’s gain. As El Hijo posted, the DR government bears the cost and the Haitian government, such as it is, turns a blind eye to the problem.

Abinader burned an important political bridge here, not only with Canada but also in the US which is pushing Canada to do more in Haiti. The current US administration is interested in doing something to restore some semblance of order in Haiti. if there is an administration change in 2024, the new administration may not be so inclined. I expect any further pleas from Abinader to fall on deaf political ears in Canada and the US.

What people are missing here is, France may be willing to get involved if the Canada-DR proposal showed some signs of success. The links between Canada and France are strong, Trudeau and Macron are close friends, and both countries have strong cultural links to Haiti, and a vested interest in seeing some degree of normalcy restored to Haiti.

The potential for Haitian births to change the DR demographics increases yearly as more pregnant women flee to the DR to birth their babies. The political and economic ramifications of this are already being felt by DR society. They are not manageable now and will be less manageable if not addressed immediately.

Abinader’s only initiative, his fence along the DR-Haiti border is a joke. Corrupt DR border guards render the fence useless. Abinader’s crying wolf about Haiti and doing nothing to realistically address the problem is typical behaviour for a politician only interested in kicking the problem further down the road for another administration to deal with. Not to worry folks. I’m sure the construction of more AI resorts will benefit the DR more than any degree of resolution of the Haitian problem.

 

[CristoRey]

Abinader burned an important political bridge here, not only with Canada but also in the US which is pushing Canada to do more in Haiti. The current US administration is interested in doing something to restore some semblance of order in Haiti. if there is an administration change in 2024, the new administration may not be so inclined. I expect any further pleas from Abinader to fall on deaf political ears in Canada and the US.

Indeed they are.
It's called having an open borders policy so that all Haitian "asylum seekers" can legally live in the Dominican Republic and to his credit, Luis has declined their offer on more than one occasion.

A sterilization campaign would do Haiti a world of good.

 

[Ecoman1949]

Indeed they are.
It's called having an open borders policy so that all Haitian "asylum seekers" can legally live in the Dominican Republic and to his credit, Luis has declined their offer on more than one occasion.

A sterilization campaign would do Haiti a world of good.

Christo. It’s happening anyway, just not legally as the US proposal would have allowed. Your comment about sterilization could also apply to the overpopulation and poverty problem in the DR. Too many poor people facing a bleak future at the hands of a corrupt governments not interested in implementing social and educational programs to eliminate the poverty.

 

[windeguy]

And yet Abinader turns down a Canadian, no cost, no risk initiative to do something tangible about the DR-Haiti problem. Granted it won’t immediately stop the increase in the influx of pregnant Haitian women forced to come to the DR for medical services, however, it was a proposal that could have lead to solving some of the problems. His loss is Haiti’s gain. As El Hijo posted, the DR government bears the cost and the Haitian government, such as it is, turns a blind eye to the problem.

Abinader burned an important political bridge here, not only with Canada but also in the US which is pushing Canada to do more in Haiti. The current US administration is interested in doing something to restore some semblance of order in Haiti. if there is an administration change in 2024, the new administration may not be so inclined. I expect any further pleas from Abinader to fall on deaf political ears in Canada and the US.

What people are missing here is, France may be willing to get involved if the Canada-DR proposal showed some signs of success. The links between Canada and France are strong, Trudeau and Macron are close friends, and both countries have strong cultural links to Haiti, and a vested interest in seeing some degree of normalcy restored to Haiti.

The potential for Haitian births to change the DR demographics increases yearly as more pregnant women flee to the DR to birth their babies. The political and economic ramifications of this are already being felt by DR society. They are not manageable now and will be less manageable if not addressed immediately.

Abinader’s only initiative, his fence along the DR-Haiti border is a joke. Corrupt DR border guards render the fence useless. Abinader’s crying wolf about Haiti and doing nothing to realistically address the problem is typical behaviour for a politician only interested in kicking the problem further down the road for another administration to deal with. Not to worry folks. I’m sure the construction of more AI resorts will benefit the DR more than any degree of resolution of the Haitian problem.

It is a shame the border wall is not working. That is the only thing the DR can do to protect itself.

Any attempts to "fix" Haiti are doomed to failure.

 

[cavok]

And yet Abinader turns down a Canadian, no cost, no risk initiative to do something tangible about the DR-Haiti problem. Granted it won’t immediately stop the increase in the influx of pregnant Haitian women forced to come to the DR for medical services, however, it was a proposal that could have lead to solving some of the problems. His loss is Haiti’s gain. As El Hijo posted, the DR government bears the cost and the Haitian government, such as it is, turns a blind eye to the problem.

I guess I missed it? What Canadian initiative did Abinader turn down?

 

[bob saunders]

Christo. It’s happening anyway, just not legally as the US proposal would have allowed. Your comment about sterilization could also apply to the overpopulation and poverty problem in the DR. Too many poor people facing a bleak future at the hands of a corrupt governments not interested in implementing social and educational programs to eliminate the poverty.

Social programs.. do not eliminate poverty, they are only a bandaid

 

[Ecoman1949]

Social programs.. do not eliminate poverty, they are only a bandaid

Partially true Bob, the fact is they do help some people to rise above their poverty level, especially those motivated to do so. I’ve had the opportunity to work in many communities and reserves across Canada and I’ve seen the positive results of social programs. I’ve worked with brilliant people who grew up poor and dreamed of attending University. Many achieved their dreams because of free access to education and society in general is better off for it.

 

[livio]

And yet Abinader turns down a Canadian, no cost, no risk initiative to do something tangible about the DR-Haiti problem. Granted it won’t immediately stop the increase in the influx of pregnant Haitian women forced to come to the DR for medical services, however, it was a proposal that could have lead to solving some of the problems. His loss is Haiti’s gain. As El Hijo posted, the DR government bears the cost and the Haitian government, such as it is, turns a blind eye to the problem.

Abinader burned an important political bridge here, not only with Canada but also in the US which is pushing Canada to do more in Haiti. The current US administration is interested in doing something to restore some semblance of order in Haiti. if there is an administration change in 2024, the new administration may not be so inclined. I expect any further pleas from Abinader to fall on deaf political ears in Canada and the US.

What people are missing here is, France may be willing to get involved if the Canada-DR proposal showed some signs of success. The links between Canada and France are strong, Trudeau and Macron are close friends, and both countries have strong cultural links to Haiti, and a vested interest in seeing some degree of normalcy restored to Haiti.

The potential for Haitian births to change the DR demographics increases yearly as more pregnant women flee to the DR to birth their babies. The political and economic ramifications of this are already being felt by DR society. They are not manageable now and will be less manageable if not addressed immediately.

Abinader’s only initiative, his fence along the DR-Haiti border is a joke. Corrupt DR border guards render the fence useless. Abinader’s crying wolf about Haiti and doing nothing to realistically address the problem is typical behaviour for a politician only interested in kicking the problem further down the road for another administration to deal with. Not to worry folks. I’m sure the construction of more AI resorts will benefit the DR more than any degree of resolution of the Haitian problem.

The last time, I checked Canada has a lot of land and plenty of resources to give away. Canada should start by no Visa required for Haitians migrating to Canada. I think that the Haitians will love Quebec

 

[Ecoman1949]

The last time, I checked Canada has a lot of land and plenty of resources to give away. Canada should start by no Visa required for Haitians migrating to Canada. I think that the Haitians will love Quebec

Haitians have been immigrating to Canada for years, not just from Haiti but from the US. Quebec is a province with strict language requirements (stricter now because of new legislation) and gives preferential treatment to immigrants from French speaking countries. Quebec is home to one of the largest Haitian expat communities anywhere in the world.

 

[livio]

They have been migrating to DR since year 1. Just wondering where is Haiti in the list. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...w-qualify-for-visa-free-travel-to-canada.html

 

[Ecoman1949]

They have been migrating to DR since year 1. Just wondering where is Haiti in the list. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...w-qualify-for-visa-free-travel-to-canada.html

That list refers to visitor travel visa’s looking to fly to Canada to visit for a period of up to six months. Totally different from people looking to immigrate to Canada on a permanent basis. Do your research before you post.

 

[livio]

That list refers to visitor travel visa’s looking to fly to Canada to visit for a period of up to six months. Totally different from people looking to immigrate to Canada on a permanent basis. Do your research before you post.

Can Canada take them in for at least six months and after the six months allow the Haitians to decide, if they want to stay in Canada. They will love it there. Canada is a beautiful country.

 

[johne]

Ecoman
Not to worry about Luis missing this "gran opportunity and Haiti gaining one". Seems to me Luis is doing pretty good cleaning up the problems of the DR. I believe that is his job...first priority. As far as "no risk to him"... how did you come to this conclusion? Clearly, the proposal is in uncharted waters. What information Luis does have is how other counties (think USA) are trying to work out like and similar problems. ((I won't go there now since it might drift too far away from OP). Closed borders is still #1 solution. Don't give up on that too soon.

 

[FF1]

And yet Abinader turns down a Canadian, no cost, no risk initiative to do something tangible about the DR-Haiti problem...

"The plan was for the Dominican Republic to grant diplomatic immunity to foreign personnel of different nationalities working here to restore stability in Haiti."

Why would Abinader grant such a request? Why would he grant the Canadian government the right to bring whomever they want (including Haitians) to DR and the Dominican government has no control over them whatsoever? Learn what having diplomatic immunity means before you comment.

 

[NALs]

"The plan was for the Dominican Republic to grant diplomatic immunity to foreign personnel of different nationalities working here to restore stability in Haiti."

Why would Abinader grant such a request? Why would he grant the Canadian government the right to bring whomever they want (including Haitians) to DR and the Dominican government has no control over them whatsoever? Learn what having diplomatic immunity means before you comment.

That's not the only thing he should take the time and learn about before yapping away...

Poverty

Inequality

Extreme Poverty

Pretending things are the same has bo effect when they reslly aren't. Any Haitian in the DR will tell you of the difference. Heck, because of differences is why they migrate to the DR while hardly any Dominicans migrate to Haiti. I'm willing to bet the small number of Dominicans that move to Haiti (not counting Dominican-Haitians for obvious reason) are more than expats that move to Haiti. In fact, most expats are lime Econman (live in the DR or not live in Hispaniola at all.)

If I'm wrong about expats moving to Haiti, use your own example Econman as proof.

 

[DR fan1990]

I'm confused. Whatever happened to the wall? Was it just hype?