Impedimento de Salida - what is that?

[anonymous1960]

Hi all,

I was curious as to what is an "impedimento de salida". How difficult is to get struck by one? When does that happen? Does it happen often? What happens to one that has an "impedimento de salida" and tries to board a plane? How do you get rid of it?

Also, is there such a thing as a "impedimento de entrada"?

 

[Tony C]

Hi all,

I was curious as to what is an "impedimento de salida".

Basically it is a legal block to leaving the Country

How difficult is to get struck by one?

If it is for a civil action not difficult at all. File some papers.

When does that happen?

when you least expect it

Does it happen often?

Not really unless you got a Dominican with money pissed off at you

What happens to one that has an "impedimento de salida" and tries to board a plane?

You don't get on. Your stopped at Immigration

How do you get rid of it?

Like any other problem in the DR $$$$$

Also, is there such a thing as a "impedimento de entrada"?
OF course! Do you know of any country that would let anybody in?

 

[anonymous1960]

Tony,

thank you so much for cutting through the junk and going to the point.

Let's say I owe some money to a Dominican with money, and I leave DR, and I will be back in a year, and he finds out I am gone. He also knows I don't own anything in the country (real estate etc.), am not married to a Dominican etc.

Say he files for an "impedimento de salida" in the hope of getting me when I'm back and leave again. I haven't seen any computers at the airport. How do they enforce the impedimento or anything else? Big paper list?

Now let's say I come back, and I leave the country again, and they catch me at the airport with the impedimento. Will they arrest me? Because if not, I can just cross through Haiti ( I don't see "los rasos" of Dajabon checking my name on a computer) and leave from Port-au-Prince. Or maybe I'll just let the impedimento expire...How long does it take?

All of this is hypothetical of course...

cheers

 

[Lambada]

Having explored the possibility of putting an impediment on someone, I can tell you this system is NOT foolproof. I was told that an impediment issued in Puerto Plata for example, would hold good for P.P. airport, but not for Punta Cana airport. I read this as a message to pay more money to get the impediment more country wide! You need to have someone "follow" your quarry & alert emigration at the point of departure. A "pushy" lawyer helps, also.
So, "hypothetically" if you notice you are being followed whilst you are in the DR, they could have the steps in place. If not, probably no problem. Buy 2 refundable tickets, different airports, let one departure date, place, time get into the public domain. Keep VERY quiet about the other one (the one you will actually use) & remember not to use the same credit card for both purchases.

 

[Forbeca]

Money/Influence and a just cause w/ determine the

extent of it. I guess the answer lies on who is placing the impediment. If he/she is real pissed off, it w/b foolproof. If they just want to scare someone off, then they w/ just mess with the person for awhile.

Having explored the possibility of putting an impediment on someone, I can tell you this system is NOT foolproof. I was told that an impediment issued in Puerto Plata for example, would hold good for P.P. airport, but not for Punta Cana airport. I read this as a message to pay more money to get the impediment more country wide!

 

[anonymous1960]

Thanks for the excellent advice

 

[chuckuindy]

Scanned at LRM

On my last trip to the DR, June 11 to 22, my US passport was scanned using some new electronic device as I exited the country. This was a first for me in all of my trips to the DR. By the way this was at LRM.

I am not sure what information is available to DR customs and immigration from this source.
Charlie

 

[ricktoronto]

On my last trip to the DR, June 11 to 22, my US passport was scanned using some new electronic device as I exited the country. This was a first for me in all of my trips to the DR.

They have the same thing at SDQ which works about 1/10 of the time and serves mainly, like the one at arrivals to mangle the edge of your passport. I did notice the high tech system though of about 50 letter sized paper sheets of names and passport/cedula #'s of people blocked from leaving ( with notes like refer to the robbery or homicide dep't of the SD PN) which the migracion lady seemed to consult about 0% of the time.

And with the sieve like border at Haiti and I bet the PR ferry system departure point, I bet leaving would not be impossible if you had to bail.

 

[Adrian Bye]

Let's say I owe some money to a Dominican with money, and I leave DR, and I will be back in a year, and he finds out I am gone. He also knows I don't own anything in the country (real estate etc.), am not married to a Dominican etc.

Why don't you pay the money back? Then you wouldn't have to post "hypothetical" questions on a message board anonymously. You could ask open questions in your real name.

It sounds to me like you deserve to be in jail.

 

[Tordok]

Hi all,
Also, is there such a thing as a "impedimento de entrada"?

As funny as it may sound, "impedimento de entrada" also does exist. Say, your name may be the same or even just have a similar spelling to that of an Interpol fugitive (a drug dealer, a white-collar criminal on the lam, or an Islam-terrorist) and POW! you may be denied entry into the country.

Like everything else in the DR bureucracy, the entry and exit impediments are frequently abused by people who $imply can put you on those lists.
Technically, it is supposed to be used against people who may have unresolved matters with the local court system (civil or criminal).

I once arrived on SDQ with an American medical student friend who happened to have the same name of a Colombian narco (as we later found out). It took a few hours to clear things up and let him thru, even with proper identification and only after me having to make some phone calls to the right "enllaves".

- Tordok

 

[anonymous1960]

Relativity

Why don't you pay the money back? Then you wouldn't have to post "hypothetical" questions on a message board anonymously. You could ask open questions in your real name.

It sounds to me like you deserve to be in jail.

My friend, don't put me in the jail yet...definition of hypothesis:

http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hypothesis

By your token, Barnes and Noble should arrest on the premises whoever tries to buy this book:

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bo...asp?userid=i986dme9oa&pwb=1&ean=9780873645157

At any rate, I hope you will agree with me that the definition of right and wrong gets quite blurred in this country, both by Dominicans and foreigners:

Seg?n la denuncia, Rita de Vita, con la ayuda de los citados ex funcionarios, falsific? el pasaporte del Borrelli, pese a que supuestamente estaba vencido, y lo arrestaron. Posteriormente le colocaron impedimento de salida y luego lo deportaron del pa?s para quedarse con sus propiedades. Supuestamente G?mez Mazara intervino en el proceso en contra del extranjero.

http://www.ahora.com.do/Edicion1328/DEPORTADA/tema2.html

Also try these "keywords" with your friends: Pepe Goico, Rockash, Bommarito,
venta de las EDEs, Ley de Areas Protegidas, contrato de recogida de basura de Vivendi...

 

[MrMike]

Relativity my @ss, tell you what, this whole impedimiento de salida is no problem at all.

Generally you can bribe your way out of it by offering the customs guy 50 pesos and using the code words: "Tu madre es una cuera" Make sure you say it loud so his supervisors will hear and know that you are to get special treatment.

Seriously though, as a foreigner trying to do business here and having to jump through unnecessary hoops to get credit it kind of makes me furious to see someone asking for advice on how to avoid paying their bills.

You are giving the rest of us a bad name, I don't think it is in our interest to help you.

 

[Lambada]

IF this person has bills, then I totally agree, MrMike. As of yet, I don't know whether they actually owe money, or whether someone is saying they owe money. Of course, you can't put an impediment on someone without "proof" of transgression, but we all know how easy it is to manufacture "proof".

 

[simpson Homer]

Body

Dont be worried about Los Razos in the Border think about Port au Prince airport where they also swip the passport, over there they got a Dominican trying to come to Canada with a fake american passport. That was enought.

Even Haiti have hight tech at the airport. you cantry to give money to the razos in the border but who ever let you leave the island would pay the price.

Impedimento de salida doesnt expired just you have to solve your problem pay money if you owed or contact your Embassy to see if they can help you.

Money is not every thing in DR,

many rich people try to go state and because some little reason the dont let them go. I am not going to say the name of those artist but there are 3 artist very famous in the DR that could leave the island for some legal reason.

If you or anybody has "Impedimento de Salida" and can leave Haiti and DR would be a Super Hero.

Tony,

thank you so much for cutting through the junk and going to the point.

Let's say I owe some money to a Dominican with money, and I leave DR, and I will be back in a year, and he finds out I am gone. He also knows I don't own anything in the country (real estate etc.), am not married to a Dominican etc.

Say he files for an "impedimento de salida" in the hope of getting me when I'm back and leave again. I haven't seen any computers at the airport. How do they enforce the impedimento or anything else? Big paper list?

Now let's say I come back, and I leave the country again, and they catch me at the airport with the impedimento. Will they arrest me? Because if not, I can just cross through Haiti ( I don't see "los rasos" of Dajabon checking my name on a computer) and leave from Port-au-Prince. Or maybe I'll just let the impedimento expire...How long does it take?

All of this is hypothetical of course...

cheers

 

[anonymous1960]

Get credit

Relativity my @ss, tell you what, this whole impedimiento de salida is no problem at all.

Generally you can bribe your way out of it by offering the customs guy 50 pesos and using the code words: "Tu madre es una cuera" Make sure you say it loud so his supervisors will hear and know that you are to get special treatment.

Seriously though, as a foreigner trying to do business here and having to jump through unnecessary hoops to get credit it kind of makes me furious to see someone asking for advice on how to avoid paying their bills.

You are giving the rest of us a bad name, I don't think it is in our interest to help you.

Thank you for your uninformative, assumptive and crude answer.

The part about getting credit deserves merit though.

In the residency application form, there is no mention of your activity (job, business, etc.). It just tells you that you need a Dominican guarantor.

In every other country I've been, my job has been good enough to get me residency.

Since a quite substantial percentage of foreigners don't have a Dominican guarantor, that forces them to use a lawyer, who, surprise, just makes up a guarantor.

That's basically saying "You, as a foreigner, mean nothing, and your activity in this country means nothing, unless a Dominican can tell us that when you, irresponsible foreigner, will skip the country, without paying your bills, a responsible Dominican will take care of things." and forcing you to respond "I got your point so I will essentially bribe the visa clerk, through my lawyer, proving myself to be a corrupt and irresponsible foreigner, that deserves the above treatment".

Welcome to the Dominican Republic.

 

[Adrian Bye]

That's basically saying "You, as a foreigner, mean nothing, and your activity in this country means nothing, unless a Dominican can tell us that when you, irresponsible foreigner, will skip the country, without paying your bills, a responsible Dominican will take care of things." and forcing you to respond "I got your point so I will essentially bribe the visa clerk, through my lawyer, proving myself to be a corrupt and irresponsible foreigner, that deserves the above treatment".

You don't know what you're talking about.

When a lawyer files for residency for someone, THE LAWYER is the guarantor. They don't tell you this, because they don't want you to know they are legally liable for you. But thats what happens.

If you were a straightforward person, you would clearly explain your situation of exiting the country, and ask for solutions.

But instead you keep making up all this BS and going around in circles. Which makes me very skeptical. Its up to YOU to prove you're a straight forward person. Those here who automatically assume everyone is honest haven't been in the DR long enough.

As Mike said, it sounds to me like you're giving the rest of the ex-pats a bad name. Maybe you'd find it better spending your time in Costa Rica?

 

[anonymous1960]

I'm innocent!

You don't know what you're talking about.

When a lawyer files for residency for someone, THE LAWYER is the guarantor. They don't tell you this, because they don't want you to know they are legally liable for you. But thats what happens.

If you were a straightforward person, you would clearly explain your situation of exiting the country, and ask for solutions.

But instead you keep making up all this BS and going around in circles. Which makes me very skeptical. Its up to YOU to prove you're a straight forward person. Those here who automatically assume everyone is honest haven't been in the DR long enough.

As Mike said, it sounds to me like you're giving the rest of the ex-pats a bad name. Maybe you'd find it better spending your time in Costa Rica?

Adrianb, MrMike,

I'm innocent!

Why can't I ask questions? Don't wanna answer? Skip the thread! Who's giving you a bad name? Only yourself maybe!

I can't explain my situation because...I don't have a situation.

Are you deluding yourself into thinking that this innocent, virgin promised land greets us with open arms, and appreciates us when we let them squeeze like lemons while we suffer to maintain our pristine innocence? What hurt can make to know how things are?

Why secrecy? Who do you help by not talking about what happens around you?

I wish we didn' t have to learn about these things. What's the equivalent of the impedimento de salida in your countries? You don't know it? Right! We don't need to know in our countries. Dominicans will abuse the system AND foreigners will abuse the system.

I wish the Dominican system were as fair and just as mine and yours are, but by not talking about things we don't help other people and ourselves.

Now, that the Dominican lawyer becomes responsible for you, that is VERY worth sharing! I'm starting another thread for confirmation (not that I don't trust you, but see, I take pleasure in discussing things).

It would be interesting to have a beer with you and MrMike, so we get to the bottom of the impedimento...but please, leave the guns home!

 

[MrMike]

If we didn't like living here we would leave. We know the country is not perfect and it's system is in shambles, but we like it enough to stay.

What we do have do deal with everyday is the perception locals have of foreigners which we try to help as much as possible by conducting ourselves as honorably as possible. Now it appears you and I are working at crossed purposes so don't expect any help from me.

 

[Fabio J. Guzman]

Legally, exit restrictions ("impedimentos de salida") can only be applied to persons accused of having committed a crime. The preventive measure must be requested by the District Attorney in charge of the case (Law #200 of 1964).

There have been occasions, however, when through influence in high circles, bribes or ignorance, ?impedimentos? have been put in place illegally for non-criminal behavior, such as debts, etc. Since imprisonment for debt was abolished more than a century ago, being a debtor does not make you a criminal.