Not my fault en Espanol

[Marianopolita]

This topic comes up every now and then and we have had threads in the past. Anyone who is reading this one may want to refer to past threads. There are posts that explain the usage and equivalent meaning in English.

The se me construction in Spanish has more than one nuance but rather than say it conveys ‘it’s not my fault’ you will see in many good grammar references that it’s explained as not intentional or I describe it as an action sin querer. Se me cay? means I dropped it.

There is a difference in usage when comparing olvidar, olvidarse + de, and se me olvid?. Depending on one’s level of Spanish it may be easy or not so easy (right now) to understand but over time it will make sense.

The pronouns used with gustar to express I like xxx are indirect object pronouns not direct object pronouns as stated in post #18.

Me/ te/ le/ nos/os/ les + gusta
Me/ te/ le/ nos/ os/ les + gustan are indirect object pronouns.

Me gusta el carro= I like the car. (What do you like? The car= direct object. Who likes it or who it is pleasing to (very literal)= (a m?) me gusta)

Aguaita29- excellent job explaining the usage and meaning se me + verb construction. Hopefully, those reading are paying attention to your posts.

-MP.

 

[cavok]

This topic comes up every now and then and we have had threads in the past. Anyone who is reading this one may want to refer to past threads. There are posts that explain the usage and equivalent meaning in English.

The se me construction in Spanish has more than one nuance but rather than say it conveys ‘it’s not my fault’ you will see in many good grammar references that it’s explained as not intentional or I describe it as an action sin querer. Se me cay? means I dropped it.

There is a difference in usage when comparing olvidar, olvidarse + de, and se me olvid?. Depending on one’s level of Spanish it may be easy or not so easy (right now) to understand but over time it will make sense.

The pronouns used with gustar to express I like xxx are indirect object pronouns not direct object pronouns as stated in post #18.

Me/ te/ le/ nos/os/ les + gusta
Me/ te/ le/ nos/ os/ les + gustan are indirect object pronouns.

Me gusta el carro= I like the car. (What do you like? The car= direct object. Who likes it or who it is pleasing to (very literal)= (a m?) me gusta)

Aguaita29- excellent job explaining the usage and meaning se me + verb construction. Hopefully, those reading are paying attention to your posts.

-MP.

My originl post here was taken out of the middle of another thread - "No es mi culpa" - so it's somewhat lost it's context here.

I found your previous thread that you mentioned. Very good clear and complete explanation of all the various constructions of olvidar and olvidarse. Below is an excerpt from your explanation of the olvidarse + me construction:


"3) Using ‘se’ as in ‘se me olvidaron los boletos’ is a construction used in Spanish primarily to express ‘unplanned’ events or occurrences equivalent to the English ‘it slipped my mind”.. However, the Spanish construction to a certain degree also carries the meaning of "whatever happened I had nothing to do with it". This construction is also used to emphasize more what happened to someone rather than what someone did. Therefore the indirect object pronouns are used to express who the action is affecting (me/ te /le /nos /os /les)."


Coincidentally, I used the very same words("slipped my mind") as you did(post #3) in your explanation. It slipped - "I had nothing to do with it". You are deflecting some of the blame or responsibility from yourself. "No es mi culpa" was a somewhat purposeful exaggeration when I posted this in the other thread.

It seems to me that I, and several others who posted in this thread(#11, #13, and link in #9, are interpreting the contruction the same way you are. I don't see any difference(?).

Here is the link to your complete post:

http://dr1.com/forums/showthread.php/41744-Forgetting