Question and observation

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AnaBanana

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We have been talking about how Puerto Rican artists make so much more money than Dominican artists and how they and their culture is so internationally known. Now, we have Dominicans in the United States that are multi-millionaires...they are all over the states playing baseball. Do they give back? And I'm really asking. Ever since I've lived in America, they have always made this huge fuss about the Puerto Rican parade and although I've never been to one, I hear they turn out really nice and they are also televised, granted of being a US state. Since I've been in this country, I have probably missed three Dominican parades and though they are fun, they are not the best organized. My point is that I think there is no reason why this should be....the best person I've ever seen in the parade was Juan Luis Guerra. I mean, don't we have actors? Why don't does baseball players contribute and gee, maybe go march on the parade for the people who cheer them so much because of Dominican pride. I think there's plenty of successful Dominicans in America, but do we give back?
 
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Gregory D Wales

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Hi,

If what you say is true it saddens me. Wouldn't it be nice if Sosa, or someone like him, takes action and makes a statement that encourages the fortunate Dominicans to Love their brother and not flaunt their wealth at him.

From the example of the government corruption their entire lives, it may be a bit of a stretch to hope to see much change in this generation. I hope the future is brighter.

Blessed Christmas Greetings to You,
Gregory Wales
 
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Loren

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Eternal defender of Capitalism

The best thing a Dominican could do for the Dominican Republic is to invest in economic multipliers. For example, if a Dominican comes to the D.R. and builds a building that he then rents he has done far more than if he gave money to say, an event. The building has increased the net property value in the D.R. and CREATED wealth in the country as opposed to moving it around. Investing in the Bolsa de Valores and also in Dominican bank accounts helps as that makes capital available for domestic investment.

The concept of "giving back to the community" is an interesting one. It implies that one has extracted something from a community within the parameters of a social construct, creating a "social debt." Chew on this for a minute: Bill Gates sells you Microsoft Windows for roughly $100 bucks. In exchange for your $100 he gives you software which you agree is worth $100 otherwise you would not have paid the money. (Complaining doesnt count...you paid voluntarily) Now, in the strict sense, he has already given you and the community what he owes, namely the product you are paying for. He doesn't owe you anything additional by virtue of his having sold a bunch of product. If Sammy Sosa makes a zillion bucks, he owes only the people who pay him, unless he has entered into a contract with someone else (A patron as in the case of artists, for example.) They pay him to perform well in baseball.

Now, does he owe the community of San Pedro de Macor?s for his success? In unemotional terms, probably not, as he has not extracted any more from his community than anyone else. Hopefully he will do good works and embark upon charitable endeavors but the concept of "giving something back" implies debt. His social debt is equal to that of his countrymen, no more...UNLESS you say "to each according to his needs and from each according to his means." Now if you are willing to accept this premise, are you also willing to admit you are a Marxist? many of you will, but some of you will be uncomfortable with the label though that's what it means. "?tienes los cojones?"

AM I SAYING that people are not under a moral obligation to charity or to invest in their communities? Not at all. However "giving something" and "giving something back" are quite different concepts. Unless you were a recipient of charity during previous times, when you contribute, you are "giving" not "giving back" which if anything, is more noble not less, so please don't misunderstand my point.
 
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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Re: I will not go!!Sorry!

In spite of the fact that I am a mega star just like Sammy Sosa...Don't you know me? Well, the last place I would like to see my face at would be a New York City or Miami parade of any nationality. Can you imagine one of those miserable two-face politicians trying to get a picture with me so they can include it in their next election TV spot? Sammy Sosa would be reducing his status to "pig farm boy" if he marched alongside the vote hogs wearing a dumb hat and a sash? Juan Luis Guerra fits the bill. He is already a comical figure left behind in fashion with his patented Castroist uniform. I suggest Tono Rosario the biggest Dominican clown and Transvestite. Or hoe about our new AFRO King Sergio Vargas, the latest among Dominican clowns who has grown a 12" afro in this day and age.
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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Re: I will not go!!Sorry!

In spite of the fact that I am a mega star just like Sammy Sosa...Don't you know me? Well, the last place I would like to see my face at would be a New York City or Miami parade of any nationality. Can you imagine one of those miserable two-face politicians trying to get a picture with me so they can include it in their next election TV spot? Sammy Sosa would be reducing his status to "pig farm boy" if he marched alongside the vote hogs wearing a dumb hat and a sash? Juan Luis Guerra fits the bill. He is already a comical figure left behind in fashion with his patented Castroist uniform. I suggest Tono Rosario the biggest Dominican clown and Transvestite. Or how about our new AFRO King Sergio Vargas, the latest among Dominican clowns who has grown a 12" afro in this day and age. You could also invite Crying Boy Freddy Beras Goico, the man who cries at every Dominican's funeral so he could do "un ataque de entierro de muerto" joined by his favorite companion Victor Mendez Capellan.

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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Re:Loren what's wrong with Bolsa de Valores?

Loren: What's wrong with Bolsa de Valores? The money invested there goes into the functional economy in the form of major capital investment. For instance, If I get a certificate of investment from Grupo Moya thru Cotisa(the broker) the money for the issue goes to build new housing at Ciudad Modelo. Or when INDUVECA issued certificates for a new line of products and came out with their now popular turkey light products. Isnt' that investing in the future of the country? Or isnt' that money any good? Please explain.
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Stephen Hadley

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Re:Loren what's wrong with Bolsa de Valores?

Stock and bond markets are a critical part of a capitalist system.. They allow money to move in a liquid fashion and allow the streading of risk and reward....
 
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Loren

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TW That's my point!

The money invested in something like Bolsa de Valores, et.al. does more good for the D.R. than p.r. stunts that the rich and corporations often do, like slapping their name on some event as a sponsor.

On the other hand, I am not saying either that it is bad to sponsor things. My point was just that when you buy paper in the Bolsa de Valores, inmobiliaria, etc. you ARE giving back and investment IS a good thing.

Charitable giving IS good....however in the U.S. it has become an extortion racket in a few cases.
 
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AnaBanana

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Gregory

I hope so too. You have a blessed Christmas as well. Ana Maria
 
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AnaBanana

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I understand your point

And thank you for explaining the concept. I did mean just "giving". And I do not believe that people have to "give back due to moral obligation" no one is obliged to anything, people struggle and make it on their own, I am, and I can say I do not owe my success to anyone but me and my parents. But let me say something here, I live right by the Yankee Stadium, and when Sosa comes and plays so many Dominicans come and show support, not because they want anything, but because of their pride in that he is Dominican. I just thought that those who are world known celebrity figures would be proud to show the world they are Dominican. That's it, and I don't think that is too much to ask. And TW, you don't have to take a picture with a "dirty" politician if you don't want to.
 
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Isabelle

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Re: I understand your point

As long as Criss Colon does not reproduce there is hope