Sammy Sosa vs. Hank Aaron

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John

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Hank Aaron has the all time record of homers, 761?, he did it in 23 seasons.
Sammy Sosa is close to 500, this is his 12 season.
Sammy has 3 seasons with more than 60 homers (major league record)
Hank never hit a 50 homers season.
So, the question, who is really the biggest slugger in baseball history?
 
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George

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The Babe"

John,

Maybe it's a "generation thing," but Babe Ruth has the highest "slugging percentage" in Baseball, bar none

George
 
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Paul K

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well, you have to consider that they have shortened the fields so it is easier to hit a home run now. The reason for doing this was to get more interest in baseball from the fans. So...it becomes difficult to make a comparison between the two. It becomes more difficult to make comparisons now days...because changes are taking place almost every year as old fields are replaced by new and shorter ones.

This info. is second hand....I personally do not follow the sport. Please check it for accuracy.
 
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Tony Castaneira

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Who is the biggest slugger in baseball History? I Assume you mean better.

Babe Ruth had a better at bat to Homerun ratio. Mark McGwire and barry Bonds have both hit more Homeruns in a season and are ahead of him in Totals.

Sammy Sosa is not even the leader in Homeruns among latin Ballplayers. That Title is held by the Cuban Jose Canseco.

Please don't let you judgement be clouded by modern statistics. With todays Juiced ball and lower pitchers mound it makes me just wonder what the babe would have done.
 
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Miguel Gil

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Sosa's achievements (so far):
1.-Four seasons in a row with 50+ HR
2.-Three seasons with 60 or 60+ HR
3.- He needs only one more HR to hit 240 in the last four seasons, an average of 60 per season.
4.- Two seasons with 50+HR and 150+ RBI's.- He joined Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx and Hack Wilson (waaaooooooooo!!!!!!!) and is the only member of the group who did it after World War II. And did it twice.

Maybe it's true that "they have shortened the fields" but in the 60th sluggers didnt have to face fresh, young and strong relief pitchers in the second half of the games, many of them called in for just one inning or even for only one batter.
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So, lets leave Sammy running and see where he gets.
 
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Marc

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Juice

The ball isn't the only thing that's "Juiced" nowadays! :)

marc
 
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hillbilly

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Apples and Onions

We cannot really make much more that guesses.

Sure, the Babe had to hit a softer ball, maybe in a larger field.
But he also faced a lot of tired pitchers, as has been mentioned.

But he was a drunk. What would he have been like if he had the "handlers" a Sosa or a McGuire have nowadays.

Sure the ball and players are juiced, the fields are a little smaller (at least I know Yankee Stadium is friendlier), but the pitchers are faster, bigger and stronger. Heck, the Cubs have three or four guys that do 95+!

Sammy has made history. Barry will make history. The Babe made history. So did McGuire. Let's just enjoy the game.

HB
 
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Carol

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Re: Apples and Onions

Hillbilly

I'm in England and have only just started following baseball. We have a late night programme which is on usually two nights a week. I need to find a website where I can learn to follow the game properly. Read the rules and the expressions used. Can you help? Thanks.
 
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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Just look at the arguments: Those who say ballparks are smaller or bigger back then should know that Sammy Sosa has hit the ball out of the parks not inside the parks. His average footage by homeruns is one of the highest in history. He can hit it out of a football field, and farther than 99% of the players in history.

Those who bring Ruth's numbers don't seem to realize Ruth never saw a 100MPH fastball with the movement of a Randy Johnson or Pedro Martinez ball of fire. He never saw a screwball or ever faced weird guys like Phil Niekro, or a spitter from Gaylord Perry. Frankly, back then you had few pitchers to know. I can't imagine an overweight, fat guy like Ruth in today's baseball. Yes, Tony Gwynn can hit, but can he run?

Sammy is a bigger slugger than Aaron. Aaron never even hit 50HRs.He lasted a long time, but so did Rickey Henderson, who exceeded Ruth runs scored and base on balls for life. Should Sosa last that long he would hit 800.

As to the guy to says Sammy is not even the Latin with the most lifetime home runs. Well, Sammy still has 4 to 5 good seasons left. He is only a few HRs away from Canseco, who is finished. This will be Canseco's last season and even if he returns, his HR days are over. Sammy will be not only the Latin with the most, but probably will surpass Willie Mays. His shot at 660Hrs is not only realistic, is a done thing, if he is not injured.

Just think, Sammy at the tender age of 33 has already 447 bangers. In four more seasons averaging 50 he will have 647. Can anybody bet against that if he stays healthly. But then, think that his average in the last four years is the biggest in history:60 home runs per year! Not even McGwire can match that.
 
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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Re: Juice

No, very simply, Sammy Sosa has a JUICED swing. Isn't it suspicious that Babe Ruth could hit that much being overweight, getting drunk and sleeping with different women all the time? I think something was juiced then.
 
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P.M.

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Re: The Babe".....ahem

Sorry Babe.....with the skills you had and the life you led you would not have made the final cut for ballboy in todays baseball. It is for the same reason that every Olympic and world record has been broken since the 40's and 50's. (generally broken most every year). The reason.....athletes are stronger, faster, smarter, and are trained much better. In todays basketball a player like Wilt Chamberlain would be a second stringer (rest his soul)
Everyone forgets Ken Griffey Jr. when speaking of the ultimate slugger....check out some stats folks. Most baseball fanatics, writers and players will tell you 2 things. #1 Jr. is the most prolific hitter the game has ever seen and #2 Among active players, when they are all retired, Griffey will be far ahead of all others in the lifetime homerun mark.Hate to bust bubbles...just telling the truth. And Sammy Sosa is one of the pure good guys in American Sports.....Thank you DR!
 
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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Re: The Babe".....ahem

Hey JMST let's hope Griffey Jr.'s bubble doesn't burst again next year. Even after getting back from his injury this year, he was not the power hitter he ever was. Let's hope he becomes come back player of the year in 2002. Did you notice that even Mcgwire hit more HRs this year after his own injury? The other thing is that Griffey's hitting has declined in the last five years. For instance he hasn't hit 300 since 1997. This year he's hitting a homerun every 16 at bats(Bonds 6.8/Sosa 9.2) and an RBI every 5.4 at bats, hardly above average(Bonds and Sosa about 3.5). Junior's RBIs,homeruns, slugging and OBP are declining steadily. Compare his HR production in the last five years, including his first two prolific years when he hit 56 HRs back to back, he totalled 222 years in that span. Sammy Sosa has hit 276 HRs. in the same period. Griffey is only one year younger than Sosa and 13 HRs better. By next year Sosa will pass him by, considering Sammy has been hitting more than 15 HRs more every year since. Alex Rodriguez has a better rythmn and will be much better. One thing you can't take away from him is his fielding.
 
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Marc

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Re: Juice

Yes, I am sure that the muscle-bound frames of baseball players nowadays are a result of "hustling" onto the field, swinging three bats together in the on deck circle, and a good wholesome diet including wheaties in the morning.

Not.
marc
 
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Carlos

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Re: The Babe".....ahem

Ruth has never had anything to apologize for. You may not like him because he does not fit your sterreotype of a "perfect" athelete, facts speak for themselves.

Wilt Chamberlain a "second stringer," you really don't know sports. wilt would not have dominated, but hardly a second stringer

You simply look at stats and that is the reason for them; they show you what a player did, period.

I had to do a little research regarding Sammy, he doesnt appear in top 25 or even top 40 of "sluggers" over a lifetime, the true test of a player

1 Babe Ruth .690
2 Ted Williams .634
3 Lou Gehrig .632
4 Jimmie Foxx .609
5 Hank Greenberg .605
6 Mark McGwire .587
7 Joe DiMaggio .579
8 Rogers Hornsby .577
9 Manny Ramirez .576
10 Mike Piazza .575
11 Albert Belle .573
12 Frank Thomas .573
13 Juan Gonzalez .572
14 Ken Griffey Jr. .569
15 Larry Walker .567
16 Johnny Mize .562
17 Stan Musial .559
18 Barry Bonds .559
19 Willie Mays .557
20 Mickey Mantle .557
21 Hank Aaron .555
22 Ralph Kiner .548
23 Hack Wilson .545
24 Chuck Klein .543
after 18 more******
52 Sammy Sosa .540
 
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Carlos

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Sosa, Ruth, "Fridge" and more

I had the pleasure of meeting Sammy, along with many others in the Spring games over the past several years.

If you were so lucky as to be able to ask Mr Sosa what he thought of Ruth, it was with reverent awe that he spoke the name of ther man who is recognized with establishing baseball.

It really doesn't matter what a man looks like (William Perry "looked" like a slob, but he was one of the best run stuffers to ever play football, he would have been the best had he lost 50 pounds), but his ability and "willingness" to play.

I cheered my best when Sosa and "Big Mac" were going at it, Sammy was trying to win for his team, Mark was teeing off for homers. I believe if Sammy had swung for the fence as Mark did each time at bat, Sammy would have hit 75.

As for Bonds, if he doesn't get something to hit soon (just became the record holder for walks in a season), McQrire will keep his record
 
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P.M.

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Re: The Babe".....ahem

Had I been looking at stats alone I would have said Chamberlain would have dominated the game. In spite of his stats I stand by the premise that today he could not become one of the starting 5 on most NBA teams.
 
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P.M.

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Re: The Babe".....ahem

Sorry....allow me to clarify my statement...IF Griffey stays healthy, but he has not stayed healthy fo quite a few years. I stand corrected.
 
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Carlos

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Chamberlain

What other "FACTS" can you apply other than statistics? Your own PERSONAl feelings?

The FACT that Chamberlain score One Hundred (100) points in a game approximately 30 years ago says volumes. It is then your PERSONAL staement that a man who could so dominate a game in the 60's and 70's could not even start today, you must also be saying NOT ONE of the players from that era could likely make a college team today?

I'm not attempting to say Chamberlain would have been the most dominant player in the game today, but to say he wouldn't start is rather silly

Carlos
 
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Marc

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STOP!

Before you start getting into baseball, watch a hockey game!

hehe
marcanuck