Santiago, San Diego, James

[mofongoloco]

Do native Spanish speakers instinctively know the associations of these names the way a native English speaker automatically knows the association of names like John/Jack, James/jimmy, William/Bill Theodore/Ted.

Do people just know that the names Diego and Jaime are related?

Separate inquiry without starting a new thread.

How often do people encounter Dominicans saying La Oosah for USA vs Los estados? Normally most people say America, but among those who assiduously avoid using that term which term prevails. La USA pronounced Oosah or Los estados undos.

Does anyone ever hear a person actually say estadounidense in casual conversation?

 

[xstew]

Do native Spanish speakers instinctively know the associations of these names the way a native English speaker automatically knows the association of names like John/Jack, James/jimmy, William/Bill Theodore/Ted.

Do people just know that the names Diego and Jaime are related?

Separate inquiry without starting a new thread.

How often do people encounter Dominicans saying La Oosah for USA vs Los estados? Normally most people say America, but among those who assiduously avoid using that term which term prevails. La USA pronounced Oosah or Los estados undos.

Does anyone ever hear a person actually say estadounidense in casual conversation?

They don't even know where they are let alone know what anyplace else is called.

 

[Chirimoya]

Nueva Yol = US
norteamericano or americano = people from the US

 

[donP]

All?

Nueva Yol = US

... and every other place is called 'comosellama'.


donP

 

[VJS]

How often do people encounter Dominicans saying La Oosah for USA vs Los estados? Normally most people say America, but among those who assiduously avoid using that term which term prevails. La USA pronounced Oosah or Los estados undos.

never heard La Oosah.

Does anyone ever hear a person actually say estadounidense in casual conversation?

Yes, all the time.

 

[Lucifer]

And "do native" English "speakers instinctively know the associations of these names the way a native" Spanish "speaker automatically knows the association of names like" Jos?/Pepe, Jos?/Cheo, Guillermo/Memo?

Just sayin'

 

[mofongoloco]

Thanks lucifer. I didn't know memo was short for Guillermo.

 

[mofongoloco]

never heard La Oosah.



Yes, all the time.

Maybe la Oosah is a Colombian thing. I've been watching a Colombian telenovela on Netflix.

 

[Xavier_Onassis]

Cubans refer to the US as "Yuma". Mexicans call is "El Otro Lado", "El Norte" or "Los Estados".
I have heard jokesters refer to "Nos estamos fundidos".

There is a Peruvian film in which the title character of the film, who lives way up in some remote part of Los Andes, is named "Madeinusa", which her mother saw printed on a machete or something.

San Diego and Santiago are the same saint: Iago is one version of James, Diego is another.
Santiago is the patron saint of Spain, so there are a lot of Santiagos: Santiago de los Caballeros, Santiago Rodriguez, Santiago de Cuba, Santiago de Compostela, Santiago de Chile".

Santiago de Compostela refers to a field (Campo) in which a Star (Estela) was seen as an omen. When someone dug under the star, they discovered the coffin of St. James the Apostle, who on some occasion appeared to some Spaniards fighting some Moros, hence the battle cry :?Santiago y cierre Espa?a!
Compostela is unrelated to compost.

 

[Aguaita29]

Do native Spanish speakers instinctively know the associations of these names the way a native English speaker automatically knows the association of names like John/Jack, James/jimmy, William/Bill Theodore/Ted.

Do people just know that the names Diego and Jaime are related?

Separate inquiry without starting a new thread.

How often do people encounter Dominicans saying La Oosah for USA vs Los estados? Normally most people say America, but among those who assiduously avoid using that term which term prevails. La USA pronounced Oosah or Los estados undos.

Does anyone ever hear a person actually say estadounidense in casual conversation?

No, there is no instinctive association with the names you mention,perhaps except for "james/jimmy", just like native English speakers won't instinctively make similar name associations in Spanish. For example, you didn't know that "Memo" was the same as Guillermo.

America is considered to be the whole continent. Yeah, some people say "Los USA" but not "La USA". Never heard a local saying "LA USA".
"Los Estados" is what native Speakers say when translating into Spanish, but it sounds weird. I do get it that it's like just saying"Cabo" when referring to Cabo San Lucas, or "Baja" when referring to Baja California.
Still one of my pet peeves "The Dominican".

 

[mofongoloco]

So, when you hear people say "Los USA" is it los ooh ese ah?

Honestly, in Spoken form in casual conversation I never hear anything but America. Only among high brows or journals, until this Colombian soap opera where the say La Oosah.

aguaita, in school as a child did you learn there were SIX continents or SEVEN? I only recently learned that based on convention and definition there are between five -seven continents, but that in Spain, Latin America and other places people are taught that there are six, and North America and South America are ONE continent. I never understood why Latinos say norteamericano to mean Canadian and American. Now I know that we are educated differently. To me North America starts at the isthmus of panama.
So IF you were taught the six continent system, how is America (N&S) referred to? El continente americano? Compared with el continente africano, asiano, etc. if an article is used is it el or la? La Europa? La America? If it is la, is it contracted L'america?

I can't explain English as well as I am asking you to explain Spanish. I'm not bilingual.

 

[Marianopolita]

Just a few points to add...

Apostrophes are not used in formal Spanish but you will see them used in writing if they are foreign words (and the apostrophe is part of the foreign word). Shortened word forms like m'ijo for mi hijo in writing is considered slang. A short form like m'ijo is not considered formal Spanish.

In the DR you will see apostrophes used a lot for the name of a store (my observation) but I consider it borrowing or adopting foreign words and forms into Spanish.

I have never heard La USA in Spanish (anywhere) or Los USA (not sure if you are purposely using La or Los)

As well, a common short form you will hear for Guillermo is Guille (especially in South America).


-MP.

 

[dv8]

it's only recently that i found that james the apostle is santiago in spanish. in fact, i did not know he was called james at all because in polish it's jakub which normally translates into jacob/jacobo.

 

[Luperon]

"I go to Santo Domingo, my country."

 

[Xavier_Onassis]

it's only recently that i found that james the apostle is santiago in spanish. in fact, i did not know he was called james at all because in polish it's jakub which normally translates into jacob/jacobo.

The radicals in the French Revolution were called Jacobins. There was a Polish Jacobin movement as well.
I think there was a Jacob or a Jacques involved.

Strangely, Jack is the usual nickname for John in English.
The Brits call the Scots "Jocks" because Jock is a common diminutive nickname for John in Scotland.
Americans & Canadians call athletes "jocks" because they wear jockey straps, commonly known as "jocks".

Spanish nicknames often come from the way a child pronounces the name, so Roberto becomes "Beto" and Alejandro becomes Ale
Jos? in Italian is Giuseppe, and that becomes Pepe. Francisco becomes Pancho, and Alfonso becomes Poncho.

 

[dv8]

Strangely, Jack is the usual nickname for John in English.

i don't get this. jack the ripper translates into kuba rozpruwacz in polish. kuba is closer to jakub (jacob) than it is to jan (john). wtf.

 

[Aguaita29]

So, when you hear people say "Los USA" is it los ooh ese ah?

Honestly, in Spoken form in casual conversation I never hear anything but America. Only among high brows or journals, until this Colombian soap opera where the say La Oosah.

aguaita, in school as a child did you learn there were SIX continents or SEVEN? I only recently learned that based on convention and definition there are between five -seven continents, but that in Spain, Latin America and other places people are taught that there are six, and North America and South America are ONE continent. I never understood why Latinos say norteamericano to mean Canadian and American. Now I know that we are educated differently. To me North America starts at the isthmus of panama.
So IF you were taught the six continent system, how is America (N&S) referred to? El continente americano? Compared with el continente africano, asiano, etc. if an article is used is it el or la? La Europa? La America? If it is la, is it contracted L'america?

I can't explain English as well as I am asking you to explain Spanish. I'm not bilingual.

5 continents! Regardless the amount of continents, "America" alone is still the whole continent. America is still America (the whole thing), also "El continente Americano."

Articles are not used in Europa or or America. That?s in French like "La France, L'Am?rique, L'Europe,L'Asie etc", but hey, "La India" is used. Contractions are not used.

I doubt someone really said "La USA". They Probably didn't pronounce the final "s" in los and said "Loh USA", which sounded like "La Usa" to you.

 

[donP]

Schwieriges Deutsch

Articles are not used in Europa or or America....

You mean for individual countries?
In German it depends.

In Frankreich...
In D?nemark...
In Indien...
In Afrika...

In den Niederlanden...
Im (= in dem) Vereinigten K?nigreich...
In den Vereinigten Staaten (von Amerika)...
In der Toskana...


donP

 

[Marianopolita]

Articles are used in Spanish...

5 continents! Regardless the amount of continents, "America" alone is still the whole continent. America is still America (the whole thing), also "El continente Americano."

Articles are not used in Europa or or America. That?s in French like "La France, L'Am?rique, L'Europe,L'Asie etc", but hey, "La India" is used. Contractions are not used.

I doubt someone really said "La USA". They Probably didn't pronounce the final "s" in los and said "Loh USA", which sounded like "La Usa" to you.

Articles are still used in Spanish when naming countries although less than before and the usage can be random. However, in my experience with some countries even in Spanish as we speak it today, one has to use the definite article. For example, el Canad? (and note Dominicans in general never pronounce Canada correctly in Spanish), el Per?, la Argentina etc. I always say these three specifically with the article. It just does not sound correct without it and there are many others where the article is used in spoken Spanish today.


-MP.

 

[Aguaita29]

Articles are still used in Spanish when naming countries although less than before and the usage can be random. However, in my experience with some countries even in Spanish as we speak it today, one has to use the definte article. For example, el Canad? (and note Dominicans in general never pronounce Canada correctly in Spanish), el Per?, la Argentina etc. these three specifically I always say with the article. It just does not sound correct without it and there are many others where the article is used in spoken Spanish today.


-MP.

Didn't say that articles weren't used in Spanish. Reread my post and see where I said they weren't used in "Europa" and "America".Also see the "La India" example I posted, which is used in Spanish.