Sounds like a 3rd world govt to me

[NanSanPedro]

https://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-...ional-stay-program-temporarily-suspended.html

Haiti - FLASH : Massive fraud, conditional stay program temporarily suspended
03/08/2024 06:37:54

An internal report from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says that the Humanitarian Parole program, which allows 30,000 people from Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Haiti to live and work in the United States for two years, was the victim of massive fraud.

Internal DHS documents reveal that the department automatically accepted applications without verifying the information provided by sponsors or applicants

An internal investigation by the department shows that U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reviewed thousands of applications "to identify patterns, trends, and indicators of potential fraud."

The internal report suggests massive fraud in the application process, specifically, fraudulent information used in thousands of Form I-134A, the documents that a sponsor files with USCIS for each alien applying for conditional stay.

Let's recall that 494,000 people from the four countries flew to the United States between October 2022 and the end of June 2024 under the Biden administration’s program.

The DHS internal investigation found evidence of fraud that included the use of false Social Security numbers (SSNs), including the SSNs of deceased individuals, and the use of false telephone numbers. Many applications listed the same physical address. There were approximately 100 addresses listed on more than 19,000 forms, and many conditional applicants applied from a single property (including a mobile home park, a warehouse, and a storage unit). Additionally, many applications were submitted through the same IP address. As if that were not enough, the exact same answers to the I-134A questions were provided on hundreds of applications, in some cases, the same answer was used by over 10,000 applicants.

According to Fox News, 100,948 forms were completed by 3,218 sponsors...

As a result, the United States is temporarily suspending the Conditional Stay Program for Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Haiti while the necessary verifications are completed.

Tens of thousands of applications will be manually reviewed and any discrepancies will result in the invalidation of the applications concerned.

 

[CristoRey]

https://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-...ional-stay-program-temporarily-suspended.html

The current administration running the United States doesn't understand reality.
This comes as no surprise. I expected it.

 

[chico bill]

The current administration running the United States doesn't understand reality.
This comes as no surprise. I expected it.

It appears illegal immigration is blowing up, not only in DR but in Canada, the US and UK and also Germany.
I say don't concentrate on those that have come in but by stopping (actually not encouraging) any additional to by sealing borders, returning boats from where they launched and not offering any assistance to illegals.

Then deport any that break any law including drunk driving or minor theft. Take the offender and his entire family. Similar to what Israel does by holding families responsible for a relative's crimes. And one crime that should result in immediate deportation is registering or attempting to vote.

 

[fuchs4d]

I agree on most points except: holding relatives responsible is a violation of basic human rights.

Then deport any that break any law including drunk driving

If applied on the north coast, 90% of residents and investors would have to be deported, which would cause a collapse of the housing market and would hit the region hard. A lot of businesses and jobs depend on these violaters. The D.R. simply can not afford to deport them.


Alexander

 

[JD Jones]

I agree on most points except: holding relatives responsible is a violation of basic human rights.


If applied on the north coast, 90% of residents and investors would have to be deported, which would cause a collapse of the housing market and would hit the region hard. A lot of businesses and jobs depend on these violaters. The D.R. simply can not afford to deport them.


Alexander

90%?? I've told you a million times not to exaggerate.

 

[FF1]

If applied on the north coast, 90% of residents and investors would have to be deported...

Someone from the Immigration tried doing that a few years ago, the Ministry of Tourism pulled the brakes on in right away and Minister was apologizing the next day 😂

 

[CristoRey]

If applied on the north coast, 90% of residents and investors would have to be deported, which would cause a collapse of the housing market and would hit the region hard. A lot of businesses and jobs depend on these violaters. The D.R. simply can not afford to deport them.


Alexander

What investors who legally entered the DR bring to the table vs what people who've entered the USA/ Canada/ UK or EU country illegally are given/ provided by the taxpayers is a bit like comparing apples to oranges now... isn't it?

 

[Notengo]

What investors who legally entered the DR bring to the table vs what people who've entered the USA/ Canada/ UK or EU country illegally are given/ provided by the taxpayers is a bit like comparing apples to oranges now... isn't it?

Cool, be legal, bring some money and you can break the rules.

 

[johne]

What investors who legally entered the DR bring to the table vs what people who've entered the USA/ Canada/ UK or EU country illegally are given/ provided by the taxpayers is a bit like comparing apples to oranges now... isn't it?

Good point. In addition, one can't live "just a little pregnant". Lawless society or all in ?

 

[chico bill]

I agree on most points except: holding relatives responsible is a violation of basic human rights.


If applied on the north coast, 90% of residents and investors would have to be deported, which would cause a collapse of the housing market and would hit the region hard. A lot of businesses and jobs depend on these violaters. The D.R. simply can not afford to deport them.


Alexander

90% not even close. All my friends (or most all) are legal with cédulas. A few other owners I know come every few months and leave ahead of their visitor time limit.
Maybe it's 40%?

 

[CristoRey]

Cool, be legal, bring some money and you can break the rules.

Indeed.
In a country where rules (like the rest of Latin America) are selectively
enforced, I hate to piss on your parade but cash is still king.

 

[NALs]

Committing fraud for immigration purposes to the USA isn’t quite new.

Look at the great migration from Europe to the USA from the mid to late 1800’s to early 1900’s. Europeans heading to New York were screened on Ellis Island. Those healthy enough were allowed to go to the other islans called Manhattan. Those that weren’t heslthy enough were put on the next boat back to Europe. The land that welcomes the poor of Europe, but with an asterick. Do you really think those that were not in tip top shape didn’t know about before they got on the boat in Europe?

It isn’t just the USA. Before that the migration of Canarian Spanish to what is now the DR in the 1600’s and 1700’s (a small migration in numbers, but they arrived to a place with a very scant population which mean their influence was greater than thought as oppose to similar numbers that migrated to places where they would amount to a drop in a bucket given the size of the local population), it was known that many that were not allowed by the Spanish crown to migrate to Santo Domingo were able to do just that becauss the captains of the boats looked the way on purpose. In fsct, there is evidence that this migration was actually bigger than what the official documents imply given how big was the illegal immigration. Then once they reached port in SD, the authorities there tended to also look the other way when all these people not in the lists of passengers came out of the boats. They needed to increase the population of the modern DR to prevent the Dominican territory being taken by the French who along with their slaves grew like wildfire in a short time, seriously outnumbering the Spanish side. That was the whole point of that migration to begin with.

 

[MariaRubia]

Cool, be legal, bring some money and you can break the rules.

In the UK at least the "be legal" was pretty loosely applied. I believe it also was in the US. "Got pots of money? Russian oligarch, Nigerian billionaire, Mexican cartel leader? Step this way, no questions asked".

 

[Notengo]

Indeed.
In a country where rules (like the rest of Latin America) are selectively
enforced, I hate to piss on your parade but cash is still king.

Yes it is what it is. So like the OP it isn’t surprising immigrants will use any void in the rules to their benefit. It happens everywhere. While comparing apples to oranges what they share is that both are fruits that grow on trees.

 

[johne]

Yes it is what it is. So like the OP it isn’t surprising immigrants will use any void in the rules to their benefit. It happens everywhere. While comparing apples to oranges what they share is that both are fruits that grow on trees.

In this post you assume the the immigrants are using "any void in the rules to their benefit". Think about that a bit further. Most if not all do not have a pot to pee in so I "suppose" when you open up a program that REEKS of fraud all the cockaroaches will come out. Always the same as it was in fraud in 9-11 programs, small biz with Covid, food stamps, low income houses etc, etc.
The abusers are crooks, smart, devious that ,sit 24/7 around the world waiting to pounce or those that will achieve a benefit monetarily or politically.

The program to allow 30,000/month immigrants into the USA was designed by a political party in the US that needs this "politically". Of course it couldn't work but it made great headlines for the political gang leaders of the USA.
Enough said.Ring #7 is awaiting their arrival. Or, is it ring #5?? Don't matter they are both too hot for me.

 

[Notengo]

In this post you assume the the immigrants are using "any void in the rules to their benefit". Think about that a bit further. Most if not all do not have a pot to pee in so I "suppose" when you open up a program that REEKS of fraud all the cockaroaches will come out. Always the same as it was in fraud in 9-11 programs, small biz with Covid, food stamps, low income houses etc, etc.
The abusers are crooks, smart, devious that ,sit 24/7 around the world waiting to pounce or those that will achieve a benefit monetarily or politically.

The program to allow 30,000/month immigrants into the USA was designed by a political party in the US that needs this "politically". Of course it couldn't work but it made great headlines for the political gang leaders of the USA.
Enough said.Ring #7 is awaiting their arrival. Or, is it ring #5?? Don't matter they are both too hot for me.

If true that may be inherent to the 2 party system of the US where only 1 party is in control. My country in the EU always needs a coalition to make the rules. There are pros and cons about that but it provides some check and balance. Sure there are similar cases but these are a result of insufficient control, not of preconceived fraud.

 

[CristoRey]

While comparing apples to oranges what they share is that both are fruits that grow on trees.

Yet learning to distinguish between the two can be quite challenging for some people.

 

[USA DOC]

Cool, be legal, bring some money and you can break the rules.

very common in many places.....................

 

[DR fan1990]

The current administration running the United States doesn't understand reality.
This comes as no surprise. I expected it.

Not that they don't understand reality. They know exactly what they are doing.
What the current administration want is cheap labor, which is why they allow things like to happen in the first place.

 

[DR fan1990]

It appears illegal immigration is blowing up, not only in DR but in Canada, the US and UK and also Germany.
I say don't concentrate on those that have come in but by stopping (actually not encouraging) any additional to by sealing borders, returning boats from where they launched and not offering any assistance to illegals.

Except maybe for DR, all those countries/governments share one thing in common and that's the relentless quest for 1) cheap labor and 2) wage suppression, which benefit their donor friends from corporations and Big business.

Naturally, cheap labor/mass immigration leads to wage suppression for everyone, because illegal immigrants will work for peanuts and below average salary with the hope to get permanent residency in a first-world country.
Corporations laughing all the way to the bank.