Student Visa and Bush's proposed immigration plan

Chris_NJ

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There seems to be like a million posts about Dominicans obtaining US visas (or more realistically not getting them), but I would like to get an honest opinion on my situation if my girlfriend has any shot at a US F-1 student visa.

This looks like a great site with a lot of ideas, opinions, etc and the people here seem to have heard it all before, but here are the facts of my situation (as briefly as I can state them):

1. I was 24 yrs old, in DR for 3 months in 2002, met a girl early on (19 yrs old) and started what I never thought I would do (a long distance relationship - especially since it is with a girl from 3rd world country).

2. I am now in NY, working as an accountant and been back to DR 4 times in past year. We talk everyday and against whatever odds there there could be an outside chance of a future for us.

3. She is from a working class family (I know what everyone assumes about this). She has completed 3 semesters at Universidad O y M in POP and was previously working at her aunt's gift shop/tour company.

4. Early on, I was clueless about US visas so she was obviously rejected for a US tourist visa.

5. I knew things had to change if she would have any chance to visit here (fiance/marriage visas will always be the last resort as I want more normal time together with her before a drastic move like this).

6. She was making a DR salary at her job (like 1000 pesos/week), so I encouraged her to continue making and selling to tourists and stores the jewelry that she and her brothers did in their spare time.

7. I pushed the process along and told her to UPS me 1000 of her necklaces so that I could sell here (I have done well and sold a lot so far to stores/fleamarkets, etc).

8. With the money I sent her for the necklaces (about $2000), she opened a small bar in Sosua 2 months ago and has been working like crazy to be able work 7 days/week and continue school at O y M.

9. We picked a more realistic vacation spot (obviously not the US or Canada) and will be going to Aruba next month for 1 week (she got the Dutch visa yesterday).

10. I think she is doing good for someone with little bar experience (her gross sales are like 50,000 pesos/month, rent is 6300, 1 employee is 1100 + tips, and alcohol is marked up the normal amount for Sosua).

11. If bar continues to grow we would like to visit another country together in summer - possibly Ecuador because it is cheap, culturally very different than US/Aruba/or DR, and no back and forth bullshit for her to Santo Domingo because no visa is needed.

12. Also assuming decent profits for her, she plans to buy a small plot (she thinks it could cost 30,000 to 50,000 pesos) of land to 1 day build a house.

13. I found a community college with English as a second language courses here in New Jersey that accepts international students.

14. Talking with the school, they would accept her (her grades are good in DR) and issue the I-20 for her to take to consulate if she has enough money in bank (specifically 12,000/year to cover tuition, cost of living, etc).

15. I could sign the affidavit of support for her (because her parents would be of little help and she has not saved that much yet), but I think the consulate would just think I am trying to beat the system to get my girlfriend in the country so the best thing would be for a woman to do it (my mother is my #1 prospect if I can convince her).

So, if anyone has had the will and patience to follow (I probably wouldn' t if someone else posted something like this) - considering all the facts, do you think my girlfriend has any chance to get a student visa? (she would like to study childhood education and someday open a billingual school in DR). Any statistics about student visas from DR, ideas, suggestions, comments would be great!

Also, I would love to hear peoples' opinions on George Bush's immigration plan and how it could affect my situation.

Thank you,
Chris
 

ricktoronto

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Regardless of Dubya

I think you won't have any more or less success with a student vs. tourist visa for the same reasons the INS is so tough on tourist visas, the failure to leave. You certainly have a compelling argument, I bet it falls on the same deaf ears.
 

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If she gets the I-20 from the university and she can demonstrate that she have enough money to cover the living expenses and tuition, then probably she won't have any problems getting the visa, the only think is that the probably take more in consideration if is another type of studies than go there to study English.

A get my student visa with no problem at all, with the I-20 and because I demonstrate that I can support myself.

Johanna
 

Chris_NJ

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Thanks for the responses. For us, any information that we could get is good.

It would be great if any other people who have studied or currently study in the US (with the student visa) could share their experiences, give advice, statistics or whatever...

Magdalena (my girlfriend) and I have made it our #1 priority to have her study in US. That goal is what we keep in mind working 7 days a week (her running the bar and studying there and me working and freezing my ass off selling her necklaces at fleamarkets on the weekend in NY).

Thanks again and any ideas are really appreciated!

-Chris
 

Hillbilly

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Here is an angle

Now O&M is not the greatest place in the world to study but it does have a few international contacts for student and faculty exchanges. Maggie shoud try and see if there are any exchange programs in your area, and see if she can get her I-20 that way, with university backing.

Sounds to me like she is is pretty hard worker, maybe a keeper..

HB
 

Chris_NJ

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That exchange could be a good idea - thanks. If anything, she could at least get some decent letters of recomendation from her professors.

I have heard the same that O y M is not in the top tier for DR universities. Are there some more reputable schools in POP vicinity? - I know there some better ones in Santiago (at her decision time she was still working the pitance of pay other job so higher priced room/board/tuition were not an option - plus unfortunately she is first to go to university in family so guidance was limited).

Thanks again for ideas.

-Chris

oh and time and time again I have seen that she is really a hard worker and definitely not out for a "free ride" - 1 recent example would be this week when she returned home with her brother at about 3:30 after closing bar, changed clothes, splashed water in her face, caught the 5:15 am caribe tours to Santo Domingo, picked up the visa for Aruba, took the bus back to Sosua and straight to her bar again - Magdalena Liquor Store & Minibar on Calle Caliente very near Casa Marina Reef - sorry just thought I would put a shameless plug in for her.
 
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My husband graduated from O&M, and despite its reputation it was evaluated by an equivalency agency as being the equivalent to a bachelors degree in the U.S. allowing him to enroll in a teacher certification program (in Texas) with full pay and minimal coursework. He entered on a fiance visa and you are ABSOLUTELY right that it just isn't "normal" --its not enough time to know if the person even can or wants to adapt. Be persistent and you will find a way!
 

kronos

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Regarding No. 4 & 5

4. Early on, I was clueless about US visas so she was obviously rejected for a US tourist visa.

5. I knew things had to change if she would have any chance to visit here (fiance/marriage visas will always be the last resort as I want more normal time together with her before a drastic move like this).

I agree. I've often wondered about that situation myself. I understand its nearly impossible to obtain a tourist visa for the average Dominican. So what options does that leave you? How well can you get to know someone or how seriously can you take them by just visiting them a few times on your vacation?

Then there is the fiance visa ,which seems to be way too commital when getting to know someone.. and there is just no middle ground inbetween!

Ideally if you were in a serious relationship with someone, you'd like to introduce them to your family and get a feeling for how well they could adjust to living in the U.S. before making any drastic decisions about your possible future togther. Anyone have past experience in handling this situation?
 

NYWELSH1

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F1 Visa Question

My girl freind got turned down for the tourist visa, so i am haveing her
apply for a f1 visa does anyone know the waiting time for the interview
is it less time for the f1 or the same as the tourist thanks .
 

NYWELSH1

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how long was the wait for the interview please

Johy said:
If she gets the I-20 from the university and she can demonstrate that she have enough money to cover the living expenses and tuition, then probably she won't have any problems getting the visa, the only think is that the probably take more in consideration if is another type of studies than go there to study English.

A get my student visa with no problem at all, with the I-20 and because I demonstrate that I can support myself.

Johanna
how long was the wait for the f1 interview thanks
 

Chris_NJ

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NYWELSH1 said:
how long was the wait for the f1 interview thanks

My g/f made her appointment 3 months in advance of the interview. You could probably get 1 in less time with the new system (you have to pay for the interview at Banco Popular, buy a PIN from BP and call the consulate using the PIN and set up the interview).

She will need the I-20 at the interview.