Trip to Dajabón

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I'm going to Dajabon this weekend to see a friend and his wife. Hopefully they will be able to cross the free market day border and stay in the hotel with me for the weekend and then go back on Monday. We shall see.

There is an article on the Haitian Times about tension on the Dajabon/Ouanaminthe border. Here it is.

It's behind a paywall so here are some exerpts:

Mass expulsion of Haitians from DR causes clashes, refuel racial tensions
Ouanaminthe residents vow to keep fighting against the mistreatment of Haitians by Dominicans


PORT-AU-PRINCE — It took Jeannot 25 years to build a life in the Dominican Republic and just one night for it all to disappear, leaving him and his family in Haiti, homeless in the country he left nearly three decades prior.

Jeannot, a pseudonym The Haitian Times is using to protect the man’s identity, recounted how Dominican authorities came into his home in Las Americas, an area not too far from the capital Santo Domingo. That night, May 19, Jeannot, his pregnant wife and their four children were in the house he had bought land years ago to build on when they heard strange noises.

“We were home in bed when cars surrounded the house,” Jeannot, 42 years old, said. “There was a dog at the entrance of the house. They killed it. They barged into the house, beat and slapped us, handcuffed us, then put us in a car.”

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Protesters insist on respect for humans, the law

At the Ouanaminthe-Dajabon bridge – one of the official border crossings – Haitian residents began lashing out at the Dominican border authorities in recent weeks. Moved by the plight of fellow Haitians being driven into their city, the residents threw rocks and other items at authorities in protest against the mistreatment of Haitians.

But tensions reached a peak Nov. 21. That day, residents closed the border gate and welded it, keeping the movement of all people and goods in the process and setting off tension within Haiti’s government, which later opened the gate.

Two days later, Wideline Pierre, the northeastern departmental director of the Ministry of the Environment, resigned from her position for being a principal participant in the closing of the gate. Pierre said in a letter dated Nov. 23 that such mistreatment conflicts with her civic commitment in the social and political struggle toward the improvement of [our] society.

Many of the protesters lamented that the mass expulsion is the latest in a long series of non-stop deportations and repatriations that began in earnest in 2021. Their main objection is that the movement of people is taking place without respect for existing laws regulating migration and relations between the two countries.

Hopefully when I get back I'll be able to give a first hand account of what is happening. I'm very intrigued.
 

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At the best of times Dajabon during markets is utter and complete chaos. ( albeit organized chaos 😄).

I haven't gone back since covid, though.

Whatever you do, DO NOT CROSS the bridge.
A general told me that ... nah, just kidding 😆.
If you are a half-wit like me, and venture across the bridge for a photo-op, dont forget your passport. On the way out nobody will ask you anything, there are lots and lots of military, PN and whatnot and they will marvel at a gringo going upstream.
However when going downstream coming back with the flow of haitians to the DR, a DGM officer will jump out of nowhere and ask for ID.
He will not listen to his fellow PN and military buddies and will insist you are trying to enter the DR illegally
Your DR cedula/residency will not convince him otherwise.
What he wants is a propina.
When he sees its a stalemate, he can not back down in front of his buddies, so you will have to go to the DGM building for a higher up to tell him to stop being a dick.

Tldr, take your passport 😄

Dont ask me how I know all that. 😖😖😖
 

Kipling333

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I was there a few months back and it seems to depend on what day that you are there because when I was there they had closed the frontier for one day yet it was open the next day . The market is not open every day. The town is swarming with very dark skinned people . I suppose that the local authorities get to know the locals. The DGM are most aggressive from Bani all the way to Pedernales and as Malko says are looking for a propina . I think that Caribe Tours still goes every day from SD to Port au Principe .
 
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NanSanPedro

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I was there a few months back and it seems to depend on what day that you are there because when I was there they had closed the frontier for one day yet it was open the next day . The market is not open every day. The town is swarming with very dark skinned people . I suppose that the local authorities get to know the locals. The DGM are most aggressive from Bani all the way to Pedernales and as Malko says are looking for a propina . I think that Caribe Tours still goes every day from SD to Port au Principe .
I don't know about PaP but they still go everyday to okap. It was over 12 hours last time I took it in 2019. Never again.
 

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It will be interesting to read your take on things and your report.

Haitians are quick to cry discrimination.
They don't want UN or other foreign troops in Haiti.
From Papa Duck, the Tonton Macoutes, Baby Duck to now.
Billions of US, EU, CAN aid disappeared into corrupt pockets.
Time for Haitians to sort out their problems.

The EU, Japan and Vietnam did it after total destruction.
Throwing rocks at Dominican border authorities will endear them to no one.
Haitians have no right to be illegally in the DR.
It is clear, the there is no respect for laws or human rights in Haiti by Haitians.

I am thankful to Abinader for all deportations.
The DR can ill afford to take care of Haitians and tolerate a parallel Haitian society in the DR.
All of you living in the DR can look around your barrios and see thousands of illegal Haitians living here.
Go to the clinics and see lines of Haitians served and paid for by the DR.

I just stick to the Saturday Montellano Haitian market, which has been moved close to the fire department.
The pain in Haiti is real.
Time for Haitians to get a shovel and re-build and get rid of the roaming criminal gangs.
Considering the world situation, I don't see any taste for involvement in Haiti wether militarily or financially.
Regardless have fun in Dajabon.
 

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I'm going to Dajabon this weekend to see a friend and his wife. Hopefully they will be able to cross the free market day border and stay in the hotel with me for the weekend and then go back on Monday. We shall see.

There is an article on the Haitian Times about tension on the Dajabon/Ouanaminthe border. Here it is.

It's behind a paywall so here are some exerpts:



Hopefully when I get back I'll be able to give a first hand account of what is happening. I'm very intrigued.
The Haitian Times would be well advised to remember Haitian History, rather than pointing fingers.
Past and present crimes against people are committed by Haitians to Haitians.

Haitians in Dajabon can also be grateful to Dominican traders who make large purchases to resell in the DR.
 

XQT

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It will be interesting to read your take on things and your report.

Haitians are quick to cry discrimination.
They don't want UN or other foreign troops in Haiti.
From Papa Duck, the Tonton Macoutes, Baby Duck to now.
Billions of US, EU, CAN aid disappeared into corrupt pockets.
Time for Haitians to sort out their problems.

The EU, Japan and Vietnam did it after total destruction.
Throwing rocks at Dominican border authorities will endear them to no one.
Haitians have no right to be illegally in the DR.
It is clear, the there is no respect for laws or human rights in Haiti by Haitians.

I am thankful to Abinader for all deportations.
The DR can ill afford to take care of Haitians and tolerate a parallel Haitian society in the DR.
All of you living in the DR can look around your barrios and see thousands of illegal Haitians living here.
Go to the clinics and see lines of Haitians served and paid for by the DR.

I just stick to the Saturday Montellano Haitian market, which has been moved close to the fire department.
The pain in Haiti is real.
Time for Haitians to get a shovel and re-build and get rid of the roaming criminal gangs.
Considering the world situation, I don't see any taste for involvement in Haiti wether militarily or financially.
Regardless have fun in Dajabon.
It should be of course Papa and Baby Doc Duvalier.
They however did walk like a duck and there is no mistaking them for what they were, military dictators.
 

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At the best of times Dajabon during markets is utter and complete chaos. ( albeit organized chaos 😄).

I haven't gone back since covid, though.

Whatever you do, DO NOT CROSS the bridge.
A general told me that ... nah, just kidding 😆.
If you are a half-wit like me, and venture across the bridge for a photo-op, dont forget your passport. On the way out nobody will ask you anything, there are lots and lots of military, PN and whatnot and they will marvel at a gringo going upstream.
However when going downstream coming back with the flow of haitians to the DR, a DGM officer will jump out of nowhere and ask for ID.
He will not listen to his fellow PN and military buddies and will insist you are trying to enter the DR illegally
Your DR cedula/residency will not convince him otherwise.
What he wants is a propina.
When he sees its a stalemate, he can not back down in front of his buddies, so you will have to go to the DGM building for a higher up to tell him to stop being a dick.

Tldr, take your passport 😄

Dont ask me how I know all that. 😖😖😖
Your general must have knowledge of all bridges in DR. So at least we will know which ones we can cross ;)
 

chico bill

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True, but most of them are generous with other people's money and are NIMBY's ( Not in my back yard)
Kind of like the not-so-welcoming people of Martha's Vineyard.
Same ones who preach the New Green Deal yet will fight tooth and nail against a windmill or solar farm in their view.

They exist worldwide but I dare say none go to Dajabon to pass out money or food.
 

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I’ve only been here since 3, but I haven’t seen any problems so far. I had done this for free market day but it doesn’t appear it occurred. Instead, I had to pay a 2000 pesos propina to get them released. Instead of walking to the hotel, we were advised to take a moto to avoid migración. Still, not seeing any evidence of a conflict. As expected, saw hundreds of Haitianos on the street.
 
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Final update as I'm back after an 11 hour total trip (Dajabon - Boca Chica). We were doing ok on Saturday. We had made 2 excursions from the hotel Bonanza which is up the street a bit from the town center. However, on our third one of the day things did not work out. We got stopped by 2 cops who did ask for their passports. As their passports were in the hotel and they would not let me get them, they were arrested and taken away. I was of course helpless to do anything at all. Ellos son mis amigos didn't help much. However, because they had befriended another Haitian who knew someone big on their way from okap they were able to get bailed out of jail for another 1500 DOP. So they were back to the hotel in under 2 hours.

We stayed at the hotel for the rest of the time except for one moto trip to supermercado Daniel and back. Because there were 3 of us, that cost me 600 DOP round trip. Nonetheless, they got to get stuff they couldn't get in okap. There were no further adventures.

This morning we got up at 6 and were out of the hotel before 7. We went to this almost a hole in the wall place for breakfast. They had soup and I had coffee. The proprietor was an older Dominicano with some Kreyol. He told us he does not approve of the way Luis is treating the Haitians. I was a bit surprised by this.

So overall the trip was interesting. My friend and his wife are fantastic people. Married 12 years and they act like newlyweds. They called their 9 y/o daughter daily from the hotel. We had all wanted to her to come but that couldn't be worked out (another story for another time). I won't be doing this again in the near future for 2 reasons. First off the trip is exhausting. I took Caribe Tours and have never had problems with them, but on both legs of the trip the bathroom was disgusting. Secondly, we were prisoners in the hotel and I don't like that at all. So no more until this shit cools down. The thing is that although it's obviously not much in the big picture, their trip was a net gain to the DR economy because I did spend $ on them that I would not have otherwise spent.

Final thought: There was no visible conflict like the article said. Nobody was p/o'd and no one was throwing rocks.
 

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Final update as I'm back after an 11 hour total trip (Dajabon - Boca Chica). We were doing ok on Saturday. We had made 2 excursions from the hotel Bonanza which is up the street a bit from the town center. However, on our third one of the day things did not work out. We got stopped by 2 cops who did ask for their passports. As their passports were in the hotel and they would not let me get them, they were arrested and taken away. I was of course helpless to do anything at all. Ellos son mis amigos didn't help much. However, because they had befriended another Haitian who knew someone big on their way from okap they were able to get bailed out of jail for another 1500 DOP. So they were back to the hotel in under 2 hours.

We stayed at the hotel for the rest of the time except for one moto trip to supermercado Daniel and back. Because there were 3 of us, that cost me 600 DOP round trip. Nonetheless, they got to get stuff they couldn't get in okap. There were no further adventures.

This morning we got up at 6 and were out of the hotel before 7. We went to this almost a hole in the wall place for breakfast. They had soup and I had coffee. The proprietor was an older Dominicano with some Kreyol. He told us he does not approve of the way Luis is treating the Haitians. I was a bit surprised by this.

So overall the trip was interesting. My friend and his wife are fantastic people. Married 12 years and they act like newlyweds. They called their 9 y/o daughter daily from the hotel. We had all wanted to her to come but that couldn't be worked out (another story for another time). I won't be doing this again in the near future for 2 reasons. First off the trip is exhausting. I took Caribe Tours and have never had problems with them, but on both legs of the trip the bathroom was disgusting. Secondly, we were prisoners in the hotel and I don't like that at all. So no more until this shit cools down. The thing is that although it's obviously not much in the big picture, their trip was a net gain to the DR economy because I did spend $ on them that I would not have otherwise spent.

Final thought: There was no visible conflict like the article said. Nobody was p/o'd and no one was throwing rocks.
Why not bring their passports along with them? Would it have been the same thing (Propina 1500p) with Haitian passport?
 

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I think it will be easier for you to cross the and meet your friends over there.
So you won't have to worry about what might happens to your friends 😜

JJ
 
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The Haitian Times would be well advised to remember Haitian History, rather than pointing fingers.
Past and present crimes against people are committed by Haitians to Haitians.

Haitians in Dajabon can also be grateful to Dominican traders who make large purchases to resell in the DR.
the Haitian Times is run by Haitians with reporters on the ground in Haiti. It is the largest English paper. The editor has won a Pulitzer.

the vast majority of any crimes against any nationality are committed by their own countrymen
 
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the Haitian Times is run by Haitians with reporters on the ground in Haiti. It is the largest English paper. The editor has won a Pulitzer.

the vast majority of any crimes against any nationality are committed by their own countrymen
History is written.
No different than all corrupt African governments under self rule.
Latin America is not faring much better.
The human psyche and condition.
The current world situation gives little hope for improvement, unless it comes from within and is an overwhelming desire of Haitians for their own betterment.